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If so, cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze 😡 - that's how it spreads.

Over 1000 cases so far in the midwest - mostly in Iowa. Impact has largely been among people in late teens, early 20's - so pre-meds are prime-breeding ground. 😛 🙁
 
IAMS said:
If so, cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze 😡 - that's how it spreads.

Over 1000 cases so far in the midwest - mostly in Iowa. Impact has largely been among people in late teens, early 20's - so pre-meds are prime-breeding ground. 😛 🙁
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cough cough...whoops I forgot to cover my mouth or wash my hands 😀
 
I read a report that recommended to sneeze into the crook of one's elbow. That way you do not get germs on your hands and spread them by touching other people or communal pens, doorknobs, faucet handles, etc. Catching a bug by contact with contaminated surfaces is the major transmission vector for colds. I'm not sure about mumps, but it sounds good to me.
 
mshheaddoc said:
How many people didn't get the vaccine? And why the hell not?

I don't really understand this. All this stupid debate over the MMR vaccine.
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um, i don't think it works all that well so don't get into such a huff. i got the MMR vaccine and i still managed to get the mumps when i was 8.
 
I caught half of an NPR story about this in the car this morning. The CDC is blaming the outbreak on people that only got the first of a series of 2 mumps vaccines. Also, a major flaw with the MMR vaccine is that it only protects ~90% of those that receive it so there's still a population that is susceptable but doesnt know it. Docs are having trouble diagnosing it because it's not something that's been really common since the MMR vaccine was deployed. Once physicians are able to make correct diagnoses they expect to find it in the communities surrounding colleges in adults. The CDC is planning on making 25000 doses of the vaccine available in the next few weeks and Merck is donating another 25000 to replenish their supply.

Hope that helped! God, I feel like a dork after this post...and who the hell listens to NPR anyway? When did I stop being cool?
 
A significant number of college-age students in Iowa have not had their second dose of vaccine because they entered school before the requirement for a second dose took effect in the early 1990s.

Iowa does not require students entering college to have a second dose of the vaccine.

The federal government now recommends the vaccine at 12 to 15 months and 4 to 6 years of age.

There is no evidence that immunity conferred by the vaccine diminishes with time, but the vaccine still fails to protect 10% of the people who receive the recommended two doses, Gerberding said.n
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...apr20,1,548746.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

I checked into Kansas University where about 30 or so students have it and apparently they require the vaccine, but I do not know if they required two doses ...

I don't even remember how many doses I had! Quite interesting though!
 
isobel said:
um, i don't think it works all that well so don't get into such a huff. i got the MMR vaccine and i still managed to get the mumps when i was 8.
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Did you have both sets of it?

And reason I get in a huff, is those people unable to get the vaccine due to being immunocompressed are those at risk here. Since mostly young adults have the outbreak right now, that is something I'm concerned about.

You are right about the failure rate, but its only 10% as I quoted above. And also because the 2nd booster wasn't recommened at the time.
 
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mshheaddoc said:
Did you have both sets of it?

And reason I get in a huff, is those people unable to get the vaccine due to being immunocompressed are those at risk here. Since mostly young adults have the outbreak right now, that is something I'm concerned about.

You are right about the failure rate, but its only 10% as I quoted above. And also because the 2nd booster wasn't recommened at the time.
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i actually had 3 doses because i moved to the states right before 1st grade and they just wanted to be extra sure i was vaccinated.

well, i didn't think it was all that effective because i read this
"Of the 245 patients this year, at least 66 percent had had the recommended two-shot vaccination, while 14 percent had received one dose, the Public Health Department said." here
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/04/03/mumps.outbreak.ap/index.html

of course, it would spread more slowly if more people were fulyl vaccinated...
 
Thanks for the link! I've been looking for stats like this on this outbreak (I'm interested in doing review research on vaccines over the next few years). I agree I find it funny that 66% were vaccinated for it. I wonder if they now need boosters for this as obviously the 2 booster didn't work for everyone.

Wow - 3 doses ... That is an interesting case. Did you have a severe or mild case ? Just curious 😳
 
mshheaddoc said:
Wow - 3 doses ... That is an interesting case. Did you have a severe or mild case ? Just curious 😳
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i have no idea. all i know is that i was at a boat expo here in MA and over the course of like 3 hours, i got a nasty sore throat and my neck swelled up like hell. i have no idea where i got it from and i only vaguely remember it since i was so young. i apparently didn't give it to anyone because no one else in my family got it and my parents are docs so they knew what i had right away and kept me home.

mumps sounds exotic but i remember the chicken pox being much worse. worst sore throat of my life.
 
mshheaddoc said:
Thanks for the link! I've been looking for stats like this on this outbreak (I'm interested in doing review research on vaccines over the next few years). I agree I find it funny that 66% were vaccinated for it. I wonder if they now need boosters for this as obviously the 2 booster didn't work for everyone.

Wow - 3 doses ... That is an interesting case. Did you have a severe or mild case ? Just curious 😳
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Actually the CDC has a faq that covers this one.(Just read answer 2)

CDC faq
 
Thanks for the link. I am aware but most of the college students whom this has affected have college requiremetns of the MMR. I should have clarified that I was mostly interested in this. But with that said ... most of the afflicted are 17-24 and as a requirement of most schools these days is to have you MMR ... why are the young getting the mumps?
 
I just got the whole array of blood tests for the health forms needed to be a medical student next year, and I don't have enough protection against the mumps! I got two vaccines about 15 years ago. The funny thing is though that I do have enough immunity against Measles and Rubella and I know my vaccines were MMR's. So what's up with that? And yes, I'm going to get vaccinated tomorrow.
 
mshheaddoc said:
How many people didn't get the vaccine? And why the hell not?

I don't really understand this. All this stupid debate over the MMR vaccine.
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Vaccine Ingredients
Because we are intelligent!
We all know that a healthy person when exposed to disease will have little or no symptoms.
I'd rather stay healthy and get a disease naturally, than to inject my body with neurotoxins, aborted fetal cells, animal DNA, mercury, etc.
 
mshheaddoc said:
... why are the young getting the mumps?
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Because they are being injected with the disease.
 
ForeverStudent said:
Because they are being injected with the disease.
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Yes, thank you for contributing to such public health crises as infant deaths from pertussis (from unvaccinated adult carriers), birth defects from rubella, and the spread of hepatitis B.

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I'm not going to go off on my beliefs of vaccines ... but no one can contest that the reason why some ID's are still around are due the fact that there is a susceptibility out there and without vaccines that puts our lives in greater risk of epidemics and/or pandemics.
 
mshheaddoc said:
I'm not going to go off on my beliefs of vaccines ... but no one can contest that the reason why some ID's are still around are due the fact that there is a susceptibility out there and without vaccines that puts our lives in greater risk of epidemics and/or pandemics.
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I'm with you. It's a shame.

*bows out gracefully before the flame war starts*
 
mshheaddoc said:
I'm not going to go off on my beliefs of vaccines ... but no one can contest that the reason why some ID's are still around are due the fact that there is a susceptibility out there and without vaccines that puts our lives in greater risk of epidemics and/or pandemics.
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Exactly. Your beliefs!

And, helloooo! If you know anything about virology, you know that there will never be such a thing as a disease-free world.

Prove to me then, how pandemics occur, please. Then tell me the number of pandemics before vaccinations and after vaccinations.

Don't try to argue with someone who has spent 9 years traveling the world and researching vaccinations, deary. 🙄
 
browniegirl86 said:
Yes, thank you for contributing to such public health crises as infant deaths from pertussis (from unvaccinated adult carriers), birth defects from rubella, and the spread of hepatitis B.

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Please, back that up with some data.
 
Good for you ... its a belief because you can't change people's mind. People like yourself.

Pandemics ... we've had the same amount. Is there statistical data that PROVES vaccines are effective?

Hmmm ... polio? measles? mumps? rubella? menigitis? hep B? I don't know. Guess not. 😎 Feel free to show us your publications stating otherwise.

I'm glad you've been around the world and studied vaccines. Then you can confirm the outbreaks of ID in developing countries and how VACCINES are helping countries eradicate these diseases.
 
I need to stay current on my news, and thread refreshing.
 
mshheaddoc said:
Good for you ... its a belief because you can't change people's mind. People like yourself.

Pandemics ... we've had the same amount. Is there statistical data that PROVES vaccines are effective?
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You are correct. There are none, but many that prove they cause irreparable damage and even death.

mshheaddoc said:
Hmmm ... polio? measles? mumps? rubella? menigitis? hep B? I don't know. Guess not. Feel free to show us your publications stating otherwise.
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You can read? I suggest reading the Centers for Disease Control.

Read the VIS, you know, the little insert packet that comes with the shot. You have read them, right? 🙄
 
mshheaddoc said:
helping countries eradicate these diseases.
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OMG! Please tell me you are smarter than that! There is NO such thing as eradication of disease! It's the basic principle of energy.
 
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ForeverStudent said:
OMG! Please tell me you are smarter than that! There is NO such thing as eradication of disease! It's the basic principle of energy.
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Is that the BEST defense you can come up with? My poor choice of words? The best goal we all have eradication, its a high goal but maybe it can happen.
 
ForeverStudent said:
You can read? I suggest reading the Centers for Disease Control.

Read the VIS, you know, the little insert packet that comes with the shot. You have read them, right? 🙄
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WHAT THE HELL are you talking about?

I was stating that these diseases have been clinically proven in a reduction of cases with vaccinations. You are repeating what I am saying and talking in circles.

I don't go around reading the little packets if I already know what is in the vaccine, nor do I particularly care if it is effective. The last vaccine I got beside flu was for Hep B in high school. No wait, menigitis. And I did get a nice little booklet telling me ALL about the vaccine. How cool huh? And apparently it WORKS! 😱
 
mshheaddoc said:
Is that the BEST defense you can come up with? My poor choice of words? The best goal we all have eradication, its a high goal but maybe it can happen.
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You do know the what energy is, right? You do know that diseases will always exist, right? It is impossible to kill off all diseases, they will merely mutate into newer ones.
 
mshheaddoc said:
And apparently it WORKS! 😱
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What do you think it did to your body?
How can you think that injecting a disease into your body is in any way healthy?
 
Not my point. But thanks.

My point is trying to prevent people from getting sick, passing on these diseases and dying from them. The lower the amount of people the better, especially if they die/deformities unnecessarily if there are medicines/vaccines out there to help them. We will always have the "NEW" virus, I'm not naive. Don't play me for a 20 y/o pre-med.

I am fully aware to how diseases work and how we can't eradicate "new" ones but why can't we control the ones we understand how they operate?
 
mshheaddoc said:
I was stating that these diseases have been clinically proven in a reduction of cases with vaccinations.
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No, they have not. Show me the studies you think you are referring to, please.
 
mshheaddoc said:
Not my point. But thanks.

My point is trying to prevent people from getting sick, passing on these diseases and dying from them. The lower the amount of people the better, especially if they die/deformities unnecessarily if there are medicines/vaccines out there to help them. We will always have the "NEW" virus, I'm not naive. Don't play me for a 20 y/o pre-med.

I am fully aware to how diseases work and how we can't eradicate "new" ones but why can't we control the ones we understand how they operate?
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The ONLY way to prevent disease is not to get it in the first place.
How is injecting a disease into the body preventing disease? You make absolutely no sense. And, no, you sound more like an 8 yr old kid.
 
ForeverStudent said:
The ONLY way to prevent disease is not to get it in the first place.
How is injecting a disease into the body preventing disease? You make absolutely no sense. And, no, you sound more like an 8 yr old kid.
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😕

Ok I'm done, you obviously have NO idea on how the bodies immune system works with antigens and memory cells. Thanks for coming out and feel free to go to the back of the line :horns:
 
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The best defense against disease in the human body is a healthy imuune system.

From the link I provided earlier...
Biavax
Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live
Merck & Co, Inc.
1-800-672-6372
produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
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DPT
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals
1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231
produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
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Ammonium Sulfate:
EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, neurotoxicant,
respiratory toxicant
Formaldehyde:
EDF Recognized - carcinogen
Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, immunotoxicant,
neurotoxicant, reproductive toxicant, respiratory toxicant
skin or sense organ toxicant
More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems on
at
least 8 federal regulatory lists Ranked as one of the most hazardous
compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health
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You need to get your head out of the sand. Grow up.
 
ForeverStudent said:
The best defense against disease in the human body is a healthy imuune system.

From the link I provided earlier...



You need to get your head out of the sand. Grow up.
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Since you don't care how much data we give you, this "conversation" is over.

Good luck with your immune system.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes4.htm
 
This thread wasn't about whether or not someone should get vaccinated. It was about the effectiveness of the vaccine and any other factors that may have affected the young adults who are getting the mumps. Can we please just have a normal discussion like normal adults do? 😛

I think vaccines are an interesting topic and it would be nice if people would stop attacking other people. 😡

So do you guys think the vaccine requirements will be changed in response to these recent cases of the mumps?
 
browniegirl86 said:
Pertussis: http://www.pertussis.com/digest/index.html (click a state, read digest, especially "further analysis")

Rubella birth defects: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/rubella/vac-chart.htm

Hep B: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/resource/PDFs/HBV_Prevet_Brochure.pdf
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Mumps Outbreak Update
According to the link provided, of the cases with confirmed vaccination status (429), seventy-seven percent (77%) have been vaccinated.

So, again, prove to me that vaccinations are not causing these diseases.
 
ForeverStudent said:
The ONLY way to prevent disease is not to get it in the first place.
How is injecting a disease into the body preventing disease? You make absolutely no sense. And, no, you sound more like an 8 yr old kid.
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:laugh: :laugh: Thanks for the good laugh ForeverStudent!!! I mean seriously, you have to be f-ing around here. You need to seriously take an Immunology or Microbiology course. You will have to if you ever plan on being in med school.

By the way...injecting a killed, attenuated, or weakened virus/pathogenic agent into the body induces a response so that you induce an immune memory response. This happens so if ever you are exposed to the pathogen again, you mount a response immediately so that you never develop symptoms of the disease. Of course it does not prevent the virus from entering your body.

If you take the MCAT you should have a knowledge of the immune response chart w/ repeated exposure. I guess according to your theory that the only way to prevent the disease is to not get it means that the decreased response time happens by magic (Maybe it is mediated by a liger b/c they are bred for their skills & magic)
 
mustangsally65 said:
This thread wasn't about whether or not someone should get vaccinated. It was about the effectiveness of the vaccine and any other factors that may have affected the young adults who are getting the mumps. Can we please just have a normal discussion like normal adults do? 😛

I think vaccines are an interesting topic and it would be nice if people would stop attacking other people. 😡

So do you guys think the vaccine requirements will be changed in response to these recent cases of the mumps?
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Sorry 😳

Hopefully. Either the requirements or the vaccine itself, once they figure out what's really happening.
 
Mustandsally,

The current recommendations for vaccines are that boosters should be given after 10 years if the person is to have possible contact w/ these diseases. When you get into med school you will have to have titers drawn to see if you need a booster (I think this is true for most schools, but I could be wrong). For example, as a kid I had the MMR...proceeded to get Mumps in 1989 and somehow still after this, I did not develop an immunity to it so I had to get another MMR series before matriculating.
 
browniegirl86 said:
Since you don't care how much data we give you, this "conversation" is over.

Good luck with your immune system.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes4.htm
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I was never vaccinated and have never been sick, tyvm.

From the link you provided us,
We are told that "before the MMR was introduced in 1988 there were 'tens of thousands of cases'. How would anyone know? Before 1988 mumps was not a notifiable disease and 30-40 percent of people with mumps don't have any symptoms (10).
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Mumps disease is caused by a virus. Humans are the only known natural host. Subclinical infections are com*mon. The peak age of incidence is five to nine years. One attack of clinical or subclinical mumps confers lasting immunity and second attacks are most unusual (12). The incubation period is an average of 18 days.
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Appropriately managed, clinical mumps (ie mumps with symptoms so you know you've got it) is not a dan*gerous disease. It is the complications that are dangerous. How do you avoid complications? Common sense.
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and there is much more.... Mumps
 
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