Got Mumps???

[mshheaddoc]

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The best defense against disease in the human body is a healthy imuune system.

From the link I provided earlier...



You need to get your head out of the sand. Grow up.

The body tolerates small amounts of carcinogens every day ... how is this any different?

So I guess you don't get x-rays (maybe you're lucky) or you don't inhale any diesel emissions? nor do you drink any alcoholic beverages? do you go outside with full UV protection? ever been in the presence of wood dust?



There is nothing in life that doesn't come with some risk. These are proven effective measures to protect from deadly diseases. Some people are blessed with a strong immune system, I hope you are one of those people. The rest of us use those immunizations to protect us as the statistics of us getting these diseases are alot higher than the adverse effects of taken them.

 

[ForeverStudent]

Thanks for the good laugh ForeverStudent!!! I mean seriously, you have to be f-ing around here. You need to seriously take an Immunology or Microbiology course. You will have to if you ever plan on being in med school.

By the way...injecting a killed, attenuated, or weakened virus/pathogenic agent into the body induces a response so that you induce an immune memory response. This happens so if ever you are exposed to the pathogen again, you mount a response immediately so that you never develop symptoms of the disease. Of course it does not prevent the virus from entering your body.

If you take the MCAT you should have a knowledge of the immune response chart w/ repeated exposure. I guess according to your theory that the only way to prevent the disease is to not get it means that the decreased response time happens by magic (Maybe it is mediated by a liger b/c they are bred for their skills & magic)

If that is true, then why do doctors want to give newborns Hep B shots? I don't know any infants having sex or sharing needles, do you? And honestly, who is going to raise their child not to protect themselves from such deadly diseases?

I would rather take the chance of never getting Hep B, than to be injected with it.

Natural immunity lasts forever, vaccinations do not, that is why they have booster shots, or did you skip that part of class?

 

[browniegirl86]

Mumps Outbreak Update
According to the link provided, of the cases with confirmed vaccination status (429), seventy-seven percent (77%) have been vaccinated.

So, again, prove to me that vaccinations are not causing these diseases.

I can't prove it to you, but I can tell you that mumps is not a virus that has a long dormancy or any known recurrence syndrome past two weeks post-infection. So unless these college students were recently vaccinated (the incubation time of mumps is 16-18 days) the likelihood of them developing mumps as a result of vaccination is very, very low.

Doctors suggest Hep B immunization for young children becuase the immunologic memory is at least 20 years (per the CDC). Unfortuately, many children may engage in risky behaviors despite having very responsible parents and a good upbringing (I have several anecdotal examples of this) so it's considered a public health risk not to have widespread protection against the spread of Hep B.

Please don't attack me

 

[ForeverStudent]

These are proven effective measures to protect from deadly diseases.

Then prove it! I have given links and proved you wrong, now it's time to back your bs up.

Prove that disease is deadly. It is not disease that kills the human body. The human body dies from secondary infection, dehydration, and lack of oxygen.

Again, we all know that healthy people have little or no symptoms when exposed to disease.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Then prove it! I have given links and proved you wrong, now it's time to back your bs up.

Prove that disease is deadly. It is not disease that kills the human body. The human body dies from secondary infection, dehydration, and lack of oxygen.

Again, we all know that healthy people have little or no symptoms when exposed to disease.

Dude, look it up yourself. I'm sick of listening to your rhetoric. You are offically on my ignore list.


*cough cough TROLL cough cough*

 

[trustwomen]

Hope that helped! God, I feel like a dork after this post...and who the hell listens to NPR anyway? When did I stop being cool?

I love NPR. And except for a brief stint in my late teens, I've never been cool. Sorry. 😉

 

[ForeverStudent]

Dude, look it up yourself. I'm sick of listening to your rhetoric. You are offically on my ignore list.


*cough cough TROLL cough cough*

I did look it up and have readd all the links and have even traveled the world. If you don't want to have a serious discussion about Mumps, then, please, do leave.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I can't prove it to you, but I can tell you that mumps is not a virus that has a long dormancy or any known recurrence syndrome. So unless these college students were recently vaccinated (the incubation time of mumps is 16-18 days) the likelihood of them developing mumps as a result of vaccination is very, very low.

Please don't attack me

They are actually investigating this incidence because it is a "blip" on the radar and they are not sure why this has happened ...

Despite control efforts and a highly vaccinated population, this epidemic has spread across Iowa and potentially to neighboring states. Ongoing investigations will focus on identifying actual vaccine coverage on college campuses, potential modes of mumps transmission, and the effectiveness of 1 or 2 doses of MMR.

from here

Additionally the stats our troll provided was for Iowa only. Just wanted to note that.

 

[browniegirl86]

They are actually investigating this incidence because it is a "blip" on the radar and they are not sure why this has happened ...

from here

Additionally the stats our troll provided was for Iowa only. Just wanted to note that.

Well if you go to the website that sparked all this (the "vaccine ingredients " one), you'll get a little more insight into who we're dealing with. Check out the "about the webmaster" and "truth" pages.

 

[ForeverStudent]

So do you guys think the vaccine requirements will be changed in response to these recent cases of the mumps?

I hope they will stop giving out unnecessary ones.
The data sshows us that

They conclude: "It seems clear from this survey that there is little need for general vaccination against mumps, although there might be an indication for vaccinating certain groups of the male population. Such groups might include post pubertal boys before admission to residential institutions ..... it should be born in mind that serological studies have shown that 90% of boys aged 14 years and over have already been infected with mumps; consequently there may be a case for preliminary antibody screening and only those males in the above group who are seronegative need be vaccinated."

And, this:

Complications are rare, the most common being swelling of the testicles but this is usually after the age of puberty. The swelling is generally only on one side, in the unlikelihood that it should occur on both sides a low sperm count or sterility may follow. There may be swelling of the ovaries in girls but this does not result in sterility (12). In fact it is thought that having mumps with recognizable parotid swelling (hamster cheeks) has a protective value against getting ovarian cancer in later years (13). This is clearly a good thing as ovarian cancer generally has a very poor prognosis due to it being diagnosed late. Rarely, deafness can occur (12).

 

[browniegirl86]

I hope they will stop giving out unnecessary ones.
The data sshows us that


And, this:

Those are the complications of mumps, not of the mumps vaccine.

 

[isobel]

um, come on people. stop replying. that poster is clearly playing dumb just to annoy the **** out of everyone.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Well if you go to the website that sparked all this (the "vaccine ingredients " one), you'll get a little more insight into who we're dealing with. Check out the "about the webmaster" and "truth" pages.

You need to read some of these articles ... I think I've found my new Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz or Dr. Bernice Eddy.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Those are the complications of mumps, not of the mumps vaccine.

Additionally, the vaccine is only 95% effective so therefore this is just a SMALL proportion of those who are actually in those areas. So ... WOW, that makes sense! Not everyone is getting sick because those have been immunized and it took, actually didn't get it.

 

[dbhvt]

I love NPR. And except for a brief stint in my late teens, I've never been cool. Sorry. 😉

I'm a full blown NPR junkie and the epitome of cool.

 

[dbhvt]

I was never vaccinated and have never been sick, tyvm.

This is my favorite part.

 

[mshheaddoc]

How many of you out there HAVEN'T been immunized for anything?

Besides our favorite troll.

 

[dbhvt]

How many of you out there HAVEN'T been immunized for anything?

Besides our favorite troll.

Start a pole, msh.

 

[dbhvt]

How many of you out there HAVEN'T been immunized for anything?

Besides our favorite troll.

Oh, and I HAVE been immunized for a pile of things. Just to clear that nasty rumor up. It was my favorite part because it was the silliest part.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Oh, and I HAVE been immunized for a pile of things. Just to clear that nasty rumor up. It was my favorite part because it was the silliest part.

Oh I wasn't insinuating that, I was just curious.

 

[ForeverStudent]

Well if you go to the website that sparked all this (the "vaccine ingredients " one), you'll get a little more insight into who we're dealing with. Check out the "about the webmaster" and "truth" pages.

He's better educated than most people, why put him down? He has the studies to back up his claims.

Really, have you even ever THOUGHT about it? Really actually researched it? Have you been to other countries and know if they vaccinate or not? (Most don't, but they do not protect their people from being used as guinea pigs by the U.S.).
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/419093
Here is an interesting article about why we are seeing the resubmergence of Mumps.
[QUOTEbrowniegirl86]Those are the complications of mumps, not of the mumps vaccine.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are correct.
Here are the complications of the vaccine, MMR:

Vaccination with mumps vaccine is associated with plenty of side effects: Balraj and Miller in a study published in 1995 (16) claim that only aseptic meningitis and parotitis are 'causally' linked to it. The first well documented cases of meningitis linked with the Urabe containing MMR vaccine appeared in Canada in 1987, further cases were reported in 1988, 1989 and 1990. Canada and the USA then with*drew this vaccine. The UK did not follow suit until September 1992, despite a clear causal connection having been shown. The excuse was that it was not 'proven'. The same paper states that insulin dependent diabetes mellitus and pancreatitis have been reported to occur after MMR vaccine at an inci*dence of 1 per 250,000 doses. Nerve deafness has also been noted, though the authors say that this is anecdotal, and the temporal association is incon*clusive although suggestive of a possi*ble connection in some instances. Controlled epidemiological studies are needed if further evidence of causality is sought" (these have not been done). Orchitis has been reported in Canada and after the MMR vaccine in the USA through the US vaccine adverse event reporting system (17).

After you or your child are vaccinated, look for any unusual conditions, such as a serious allergic reaction, high fever or behavior changes. Signs of a serious allergic reaction include difficulty breathing, hoarseness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heart beat or dizziness, and swelling of the throat.

From the CDC site

 

[ForeverStudent]

You need to read some of these articles ... I think I've found my new Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz or Dr. Bernice Eddy.

Those people are crocks. Sorry. I would not listen to what they have to say. Just my .02.

 

[browniegirl86]

Oh I wasn't insinuating that, I was just curious.

Man, I feel like I've been immunized for everything. Got all the childhood vaccines and then typhoid, polio booster, tetanus booster, flu shot, hep AB series, etc when I went to India. Not to mention nausea-inducing doxycycline for malaria. Can't complain though, slight nausea for 7 weeks is way better than malaria!

 

[ForeverStudent]

Honestly, an intelligent Doctor is going to do the research and do the best by his/her patient.

Did you also know that many vaccines react with anti-seizure medications?

 

[browniegirl86]

Those people are crocks. Sorry. I would not listen to what they have to say. Just my .02.

ForeverStudent, are you planning on going into allopathic medicine? Just out of sheer curiosity.

 

[ForeverStudent]

slight nausea for 7 weeks is way better than malaria!

And all the other toxins injected into your body. If you had researched and understood malaria, you would know that you have caused more damage to your body.

 

[ForeverStudent]

um, come on people. stop replying. that poster is clearly playing dumb just to annoy the **** out of everyone.

Actually, you are all sounding dumb. How do you expect to be good doctors if you can't even have a normal conversation about vaccinations? Let alone back up your so-called facts, as I have done?

 

[mshheaddoc]

browniegirl - I agree with you on the nausea, especially if you were in areas with high exposure to P. falciparum!

 

[browniegirl86]

browniegirl - I agree with you on the nausea, especially if you were in areas with high exposure to P. falciparum!

Oh yeah, far southeastern India.

Foreverstudent, doxycycline is an antimalarial/antibiotic medication, not a vaccine. Are you anti-medication as well?

 

[mshheaddoc]

Did he say that the vaccine was bad for malaria?

Too bad its a bacteria and there is no vaccines for bacteria 😎

 

[ForeverStudent]

ForeverStudent, are you planning on going into allopathic medicine? Just out of sheer curiosity.

No, neurosurgery. The only reason I started researching vaccinations was when I had my first child, and then when 12 of my fellow students started having seizures after getting their Hep B shots.
My best friend's son died from the MMR vaccine.
I have traveled and I haven't found any other countries that vaccinate the way the U.S. does. The U.S. also has one of the highest infant mortality rates and the correlation between SIDS and the vaccination schedule are just too coincidental to ignore.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I "un-ignored" him at the best part! "No, neurosurgery"

I love trolls 😍

 

[dbhvt]

No, neurosurgery. The only reason I started researching vaccinations was when I had my first child, and then when 12 of my fellow students started having seizures after getting their Hep B shots.
My best friend's son died from the MMR vaccine.
I have traveled and I haven't found any other countries that vaccinate the way the U.S. does. The U.S. also has one of the highest infant mortality rates and the correlation between SIDS and the vaccination schedule are just too coincidental to ignore.

Do a multivariate analysis of the US infant mortality. Include things like insurance coverage, parents income, social history of family.

I don't necessarily think you're a full blown troll, but your use of rhetorical tricks instead of real statistical evidence is not convincing anyone.

rhetorical trick 1: personal experience with the absence of a preventitive measure to prove its uselessness (also known as the elephants hiding in strawberry patches trick)

rehtorical trick 2: story based evidence.

rhetorical trick 3: correlation for causality.

I am only responding to you in order to pad my post count, by the way.

 

[browniegirl86]

Did he say that the vaccine was bad for malaria?

Too bad its a bacteria and there is no vaccines for bacteria 😎

Close, a paramecium. I still 😍 you though!

Foreverstudent, you do realize that neurosurgery, at least in the US, is a branch of allopathy, right? And to go to allopathic medical school in the US and match into a neurosurgery residency, you're going to have to have proof of required immunizations?

 

[LuisitoMD]

My future school requires that you provide titer results instead of vaccination records... I've had all of my shots, as a child... but my mumps titers came out negative.... so I had to get a booster shot....
hope you guys have checked too!

 

[browniegirl86]

My future school requires that you provide titer results instead of vaccination records... I've had all of my shots, as a child... but my mumps titers came out negative.... so I had to get a booster shot....
hope you guys have checked too!

As soon as I figure out where I'm going, it's shots time 🙂

 

[ForeverStudent]

Do a multivariate analysis of the US infant mortality. Include things like insurance coverage, parents income, social history of family.

I don't necessarily think you're a full blown troll, but your use of rhetorical tricks instead of real statistical evidence is not convincing anyone.

rhetorical trick 1: personal experience with the absence of a preventitive measure to prove its uselessness (also known as the elephants hiding in strawberry patches trick)

rehtorical trick 2: story based evidence.

rhetorical trick 3: correlation for causality.

I am only responding to you in order to pad my post count, by the way.

If you had actually read the other posts you would see that I did back up most of what I was posting with statistical data from the CDC. 🙄

 

[ForeverStudent]

My future school requires that you provide titer results instead of vaccination records... I've had all of my shots, as a child... but my mumps titers came out negative.... so I had to get a booster shot....
hope you guys have checked too!

That is awesome! I, also, got my titers done. The only one that came back was the Rubella, but that happens all the time.

 

[browniegirl86]

That is awesome! I, also, got my titers done. The only one that came back was the Rubella, but that happens all the time.

Wait, rubella was positive or negative?

 

[Krazykritter]

Browniegirl-- Mumps is caused by the mumps virus which is a member of the Paramyxovirus family. It does have long ranging effects on members of the age groups that it is currently effecting most frequently at present(18-23). Of biggest concern is the tendency to cause sterility in males!! 😱

 

[ForeverStudent]

Close, a paramecium. I still 😍 you though!

Foreverstudent, you do realize that neurosurgery, at least in the US, is a branch of allopathy, right? And to go to allopathic medical school in the US and match into a neurosurgery residency, you're going to have to have proof of required immunizations?

Sorry, I did realize that.(reading too fast, as usual) 😳 And I, as an American Citizen have the right to say no to vaccinations.

Believe me, I am not going to have any problems getting into med school due to not being vaccinated.

 

[mshheaddoc]

I have traveled and I haven't found any other countries that vaccinate the way the U.S. does.

And as for the above statement, unless you are in 3rd world countries, most industrialized Europe has the same vaccination rates but it has to be considered that theirs are NOT mandatory so of course they will be a little lower. I can't find the numbers right now but I will look later.

The U.S. also has one of the highest infant mortality rates and the correlation between SIDS and the vaccination schedule are just too coincidental to ignore.

worldwide infant mortality rates Please note how low the US is. Additionally Yesterday - CBS reported The government also reported that the infant mortality rate has dropped to 6.76 deaths per 1,000 births, down from 6.85 the year before. But a huge racial disparity persists. The rate for whites was 5.65 per 1,000 births, for blacks, 13.65.

 

[Krazykritter]

Saying no to vaccinations can also allow you to get booted out of your family practioners office should the physician decide that you are putting your children at unneccessary risk. **Don't even try to tell me that that is not legal b/c the office that my mother runs just kicked out two families due to this reason. Consult w/ a lawyer before trying to tell me this isn't possible.

 

[dbhvt]

And as for the above statement, unless you are in 3rd world countries, most industrialized Europe has the same vaccination rates but it has to be considered that theirs are NOT mandatory so of course they will be a little lower. I can't find the numbers right now but I will look later.

worldwide infant mortality rates Please note how low the US is. Additionally Yesterday - CBS reported The government also reported that the infant mortality rate has dropped to 6.76 deaths per 1,000 births, down from 6.85 the year before. But a huge racial disparity persists. The rate for whites was 5.65 per 1,000 births, for blacks, 13.65.

Yep. I don't know why I forgot to mention race in my recommended variables for the multivariate analysis.

 

[augmel]

Has no one heard of smallpox? no longer exists outside of the lab due to injection of a pathogen into human beings. I'd call that eradicated.

I'm also curious how "we all know that healthy persons will have no sx when exposed to disease." and "natural immunity lasts forever." Those dang herpes lesions gotta keep reminding one that that ain't true.

 

[mshheaddoc]

doctors have the right to choose their patients - unless its the ER for emergency care.

 

[reylting]

Sorry, I did realize that.(reading too fast, as usual) 😳 And I, as an American Citizen have the right to say no to vaccinations.

Believe me, I am not going to have any problems getting into med school due to not being vaccinated.

OMG you are a loon. Are you serious you will have no problems getting into medical school due to not being vaccinated??

 

[ForeverStudent]

Saying no to vaccinations can also allow you to get booted out of your family practioners office should the physician decide that you are putting your children at unneccessary risk. **Don't even try to tell me that that is not legal b/c the office that my mother runs just kicked out two families due to this reason. Consult w/ a lawyer before trying to tell me this isn't possible.

That is good! I would rather have a Doctor who knew what the heck they are doing than some ignorant one who can't stay on top of the ball.

I have had the same Physician for over 30 years and have never had any problems concerning my right as an American citizen to refuse vaccinations.

It is WRONG to force someone to be injected with anything they don't want to be injected with.

 

[browniegirl86]

Browniegirl-- Mumps is caused by the mumps virus which is a member of the Paramyxovirus family. It does have long ranging effects on members of the age groups that it is currently effecting most frequently at present(18-23). Of biggest concern is the tendency to cause sterility in males!! 😱

Hahaha watch your testes, guys!

I didn't look too hard at the pathology, but recurrence syndromes (such as shingles from varicella-zoster chickenpox infections during childhood) weren't really mentioned. Thanks for clearing it up!

 

[ForeverStudent]

Has no one heard of smallpox?

Yes, the White People tried to commit genocide upon the Indigenous People of America using smallpox. Now, when we have done blood titres, we have noticed that almost all the Native Americans, inner city and living on the reservation, have immunity to smallpox.

So, if smallpox ever hits America again, I guess the Natives will survive. 😉 Maybe they'll finally get their land back the same way it was stolen! Ha! That would be ironic.