Got my first rejection from CaseWestern Reserve

[dentalWorks]

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I got the letter in mail yesterday, no interview nothing. Just a flat out rejection. Im gonna call them monday and see why.

Anyways, have you guys been getting any rejection / interview invites from them?

My overall (with +/-) = 3.3, science 3.6, bcm 3.88

 

[Peyton87]

I got the same thing yesterday.
Well. wiki said that it's a private research university, so i guess it's a research-focused school.
I have no research experience. I think that's why i got the rejection mail.
I don't know.

oGPA: 3.68 sGPA:3.74 BCP: 3.64
AA 19/PAT 21

 

[dentaldawg32]

I got the same thing yesterday.
Well. wiki said that it's a private research university, so i guess it's a research-focused school.
I have no research experience. I think that's why i got the rejection mail.
I don't know.

oGPA: 3.68 sGPA:3.74 BCP: 3.64
AA 19/PAT 21

Many many people get into Case Western without research experience. The schools is 28th in terms of amount of funding from NIDCR/NIH, so no it's not as research heavy as you believe. In fact, the school has a large clinical focus.

 

[Peyton87]

Many many people get into Case Western without research experience. The schools is 28th in terms of amount of funding from NIDCR/NIH, so no it's not as research heavy as you believe. In fact, the school has a large clinical focus.

Then, I need to call them and figure it out next week.

 

[MrBeans]

Maybe you could post back what the school told you on the phone.

I'm curious too, seems rather strange that some of the applicants got rejected with such good stats.

 

[FutureDent020]

I got the letter in mail yesterday, no interview nothing. Just a flat out rejection. Im gonna call them monday and see why.

Anyways, have you guys been getting any rejection / interview invites from them?

My overall (with +/-) = 3.3, science 3.6, bcm 3.88

I got the same thing yesterday.
Well. wiki said that it's a private research university, so i guess it's a research-focused school.
I have no research experience. I think that's why i got the rejection mail.
I don't know.

oGPA: 3.68 sGPA:3.74 BCP: 3.64
AA 19/PAT 21

It's a crapshoot man. You both have strong enough numbers to receive interviews at several schools, but there are thousands of students with similar stats. Sometimes schools just don't think you're the right fit. If that's the case, then just try and brush if off and continue on. You will get some interviews.

 

[FreeFallin]

I got the letter in mail yesterday, no interview nothing. Just a flat out rejection. Im gonna call them monday and see why.

Anyways, have you guys been getting any rejection / interview invites from them?

My overall (with +/-) = 3.3, science 3.6, bcm 3.88

How long did your AADSAS say "Received/Under Review"?

 

[threeblindmice]

There has actually been a whole thread on this a week or two ago. They receive 3,063 applications each cycle and only interview 268! So your chances of getting an interview were 8.7%. Now look at your stats and ask yourself if they are in the top 8.7% of all applicants........the 3.3 is not. Then consider there are diversity requirements they have to meet and that that 8.7% consists of some minorities with lower stats to meet quotas so your chances were even lower than 8.7%. Of course they do offer a few interviews to people with low stats that are your extremely unique circumstances or personalities and unless you said something in your personal statement that was extremely different from most people then you wouldn't stand out. Some guy with an interview invite told them he was a crazy graffiti artist for example but he had low stats.

 

[dentalWorks]

How long did your AADSAS say "Received/Under Review"?

it never did, they never updated my AADSAS. However, all my stuff was completed by them about 10-14 days ago (I got a letter in mail saying so). Rejection was sent out July 26th (I'd say about 1 week after everything was complete).

I did apply to 18 schools, well, 1 is gone, 17 more to go!!

 

[ItalianPrincess]

it never did, they never updated my AADSAS. However, all my stuff was completed by them about 10-14 days ago (I got a letter in mail saying so). Rejection was sent out July 26th (I'd say about 1 week after everything was complete).

I did apply to 18 schools, well, 1 is gone, 17 more to go!!

i got the same letter, with the same date on it. i assumed it was because of my stats tho, since mine are on the low end and i heard case is one of those schools that uses a computer to weed people preliminarily based on gpa

i have 12 more apps out there and im praying for at least one interview

 

[peerless218]

Fact, the school has a cutoff GPA point at 3.5 science AND overall. If you have a 21 or above DAT AND a really strong upper strand on your GPA, then they MIGHT consider you despite your sub 3.5 GPA. So don't really hold high hopes if you don't have a 3.5 or higher for the school.

 

[FreeFallin]

it never did, they never updated my AADSAS. However, all my stuff was completed by them about 10-14 days ago (I got a letter in mail saying so). Rejection was sent out July 26th (I'd say about 1 week after everything was complete).

I did apply to 18 schools, well, 1 is gone, 17 more to go!!

I'm kinda nervous now. Your stats seem strong! My AADSAS still says Received/Under Review. My DAT is lower than yours (19AA, 19TS, 21PAT). My overall and science GPA is 3.5.

Good luck with the other schools! 🙂

 

[dentalWorks]

Fact, the school has a cutoff GPA point at 3.5 science AND overall. If you have a 21 or above DAT AND a really strong upper strand on your GPA, then they MIGHT consider you despite your sub 3.5 GPA. So don't really hold high hopes if you don't have a 3.5 or higher for the school.

are you serious? they have a cutoff of 3.5 for BOTH the overall AND science? thats really rare lol, most schools have a cutoffs between 2.7-3.0s

I mean, I do have the 21 on DAT, and my last 54 credits of post-bacc were upper level sciences on a straight 4.0 run.

 

[Chrono]

It's a crapshoot man. You both have strong enough numbers to receive interviews at several schools, but there are thousands of students with similar stats. Sometimes schools just don't think you're the right fit. If that's the case, then just try and brush if off and continue on. You will get some interviews.

Future dent or anyone else, what exactly do schools look for in terms of "fit"? How would an applicant with competitive stats not be a "good fit" for a school prior to interview?

 

[PAyankee]

If what peerless says is true, then Case probably uses w/o gpa

 

[threeblindmice]

Future dent or anyone else, what exactly do schools look for in terms of "fit"? How would an applicant with competitive stats not be a "good fit" for a school prior to interview?

Competitive stats only mean you are smart enough to handle dental school. Some schools know there are a lot of smart kids out there and are interested in something besides your stats (ie. research, community service, manual dexterity, desire to work with under-served populations, URM status etc.). Since Case only interviews 268 people they don't just interview the top 268 stats that come in the mail. They know that they are one of the more expensive schools in the country due to being private and that a lot of those 268 top scoring will get other acceptances and go somewhere cheaper. So they try to pick students that "fit" their school.

 

[FutureDent020]

Competitive stats only mean you are smart enough to handle dental school. Some schools know there are a lot of smart kids out there and are interested in something besides your stats (ie. research, community service, manual dexterity, desire to work with under-served populations, URM status etc.). Since Case only interviews 268 people they don't just interview the top 268 stats that come in the mail. They know that they are one of the more expensive schools in the country due to being private and that a lot of those 268 top scoring will get other acceptances and go somewhere cheaper. So they try to pick students that "fit" their school.

Yea, I completely agree with threeblindmice here. No need to elaborate because I will just be repeating what he/she has said. And when it comes to the word "fit", just be yourself. You will either be a good fit or not. And when you choose to attend the school you do, you will know what I mean by a good fit.

 

[doc7448]

Just to clarify, Case doesn't have a 3.5 cutoff for both science and overall gpa. I just received an interview from them and I have a science of 3.3, an overall of 3.5.

 

[TriangleZuikis]

When you have thousands of applicants with similar stats, the selection process becomes quite subjective.

For those who plan to call the school to ask why they were rejected - is this appropriate? Aren't they really busy doing other things?

 

[Denticles11]

on the other thread, people with your DAT and GPA were getting rejected (including me) and someone with an 18 DAT and a whatever GPA landed an interview. He said he was a fine arts major and wrote a really creative personal statement. I assume Case is just one of those schools that wants the extra unique students. All you can do is say "sorry for working really hard and getting good stats" and move on.

 

[jon62690]

I just came back from Case Western for a summer program, and was able to meet with admissions. I know for sure that there is no cut-off for anything, the application is looked at holistically before rejecting or inviting for an interview, and that they do not look at +/- on your GPA. That said, it could've been something very minor that they didn't like, but not to fret, it's still early on in the cycle!

 

[dentalWorks]

When you have thousands of applicants with similar stats, the selection process becomes quite subjective.

For those who plan to call the school to ask why they were rejected - is this appropriate? Aren't they really busy doing other things?

really busy? what do you think we each paid the $50 or $70 application fee for?

It is totally appropriate to call, I paid money for them to review my application, and its my right to call them and see why their "review process" rejected me.

 

[TriangleZuikis]

I didn't realize it was standard procedure to call to inquire about that.

 

[DonutEater]

really busy? what do you think we each paid the $50 or $70 application fee for?

It is totally appropriate to call, I paid money for them to review my application, and its my right to call them and see why their "review process" rejected me.

👍

 

[anonymoose2]

really busy? what do you think we each paid the $50 or $70 application fee for?

It is totally appropriate to call, I paid money for them to review my application, and its my right to call them and see why their "review process" rejected me.

maybe that attitude landed you the rejection.

 

[CANgnome]

no wonder their application fee is cheap XD

 

[MrBeans]

no wonder their application fee is cheap XD

That's expensive!

You should see Marquette's application fee: $30 😱👍

I wonder what would happen if you tried to call them with questions

 

[4thMolar]

When you have thousands of applicants with similar stats, the selection process becomes quite subjective.

For those who plan to call the school to ask why they were rejected - is this appropriate? Aren't they really busy doing other things?

I don't see the problem in calling to inquire. Even though you may guess the reason for rejecting you, it is always reassuring to know the reason why. Often times they will even give you advice on what you can do to improve. What's the worst that can happen if you call? Send you another rejection letter?

 

[peanutb123]

That's expensive!

You should see Marquette's application fee: $30 😱👍

I wonder what would happen if you tried to call them with questions

You mean temple... marq = $45

 

[dentalWorks]

maybe that attitude landed you the rejection.

paying for things and asking about them is an "attitude" that landed me a rejection?

not much logic there friend

 

[peanutb123]

maybe that attitude landed you the rejection.

Nothing wrong w. Op attitude.

What he said is true

 

[jettadude123]

Fact, the school has a cutoff GPA point at 3.5 science AND overall. If you have a 21 or above DAT AND a really strong upper strand on your GPA, then they MIGHT consider you despite your sub 3.5 GPA. So don't really hold high hopes if you don't have a 3.5 or higher for the school.

Well I have a 3.4 science gpa and just got an interview so I don't think this is "fact".

 

[PP2010]

Do I have a chance??? (LAST YEAR INTERVIEWED AT UTHSCSA BUT GOT REJECTED -- DAT WAS 18 ONLY)

AA 20 TS 19 PA 24 QR 21 RC 18 BIO 19 GC 20 OC 20
GPA OA 3.13 SCIENCE 3.06
500+ RESEARCH HRS 800+ COMMUNITY HRS
500+ SHADOWING HRS
HAVE HELD ELECTED POSITIONS FOR 2 YEARS
APPLIED EARLY (1ST CYCLE)
ASIAN INDIAN
TEXAS RESIDENT

 

[peerless218]

Well I have a 3.4 science gpa and just got an interview so I don't think this is "fact".

Well, what's your DAT? Did you get at least a 20/21? How's your application package looking? Do you personally know anyone in admissions or person of importance of the school? or do you have their alumni to write you a personal letter of rec? The reason I ask is because their school recruiter told my undergrad straight up during their presentation several times that they WILL NOT look at your application if yon don't fit the GPA or the DAT cutoff.

"Why should we look at you when there are hundreds thousands of other applicants out there who are just as hard working as you are and did just as much as you did? Having the GPA cutoff make our job a little easier in terms of filtering applicants." That is a quote which I heard 3 years in a row during my undergrad study. Since you got an interview there so I guess it's not THAT absolute.

Not going to name names on here but that's a direct quote that was told

 

[peerless218]

are you serious? they have a cutoff of 3.5 for BOTH the overall AND science? thats really rare lol, most schools have a cutoffs between 2.7-3.0s

I mean, I do have the 21 on DAT, and my last 54 credits of post-bacc were upper level sciences on a straight 4.0 run.

Well, the application to APPLY is definitely not that high. I am talking about the GPA to qualify for an interview is pretty high. Of course, that's not 100% true cause I am sure they will interview a few students with below that 3.5 GPA but they gotta be special. From listening to their speaker/recruiter for couple years, it really is a VERY hard school to get in if your academic stats aren't there.

 

[jettadude123]

Well, what's your DAT? Did you get at least a 20/21? How's your application package looking? Do you personally know anyone in admissions or person of importance of the school? or do you have their alumni to write you a personal letter of rec? The reason I ask is because their school recruiter told my undergrad straight up during their presentation several times that they WILL NOT look at your application if yon don't fit the GPA or the DAT cutoff.

"Why should we look at you when there are hundreds thousands of other applicants out there who are just as hard working as you are and did just as much as you did? Having the GPA cutoff make our job a little easier in terms of filtering applicants." That is a quote which I heard 3 years in a row during my undergrad study. Since you got an interview there so I guess it's not THAT absolute.

Not going to name names on here but that's a direct quote that was told

I got a 19AA 20TS and 23PA on the DAT and I have significant shadowing, work and volunteer experience and research - pretty well rounded I think but no special circumstances like alumni or knowing someone in admissions.

The only point I was trying to make is that it isn't an absolute cutoff so if those of you who are still waiting have below a 3.5 on ogpa or sgpa then don't lose all hope

 

[ItalianPrincess]

here is the other thread that was discussing this, just in case someone would like to see
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=749101&highlight=case+western

it seems to me that if your gpa is slightly below their cutoff, but you have a high PAT score and unique ps you still have a chance. unfortunately that was not me haha, life goes on hopefully i get an interview somewhere

 

[dentalWorks]

so I called them to see why I was rejected. From what I gather and what their direction of admissions told me

1) they mostly care about overall numbers, they are not too impressed with most recent course work. So the fact that I had my last 3.5 years of straight 4.0 with upper level sciences, is nothing but a fluff to them

2) they value non-science GPA just as much as overall and science GPA, well my non-science was 3.0, overall was 3.3, and science was 3.6...... Maybe he was just telling me that to give me an excuse

3) I asked him directly about my most recent course work, and that my lower GPA is because of 10-years ago when I first did my undergrad. He indirectly told me that maybe I'll have better luck with other dental schools I applied to cause Case mostly cares about overall numbers.

4) This is just my guess here, I don't think they opened my file, I think they saw my front-end numbers and decided NEXT.



Good luck to rest of you

 

[alanan84]

so I called them to see why I was rejected. From what I gather and what their direction of admissions told me

1) they mostly care about overall numbers, they are not too impressed with most recent course work. So the fact that I had my last 3.5 years of straight 4.0 with upper level sciences, is nothing but a fluff to them

2) they value non-science GPA just as much as overall and science GPA, well my non-science was 3.0, overall was 3.3, and science was 3.6...... Maybe he was just telling me that to give me an excuse

3) I asked him directly about my most recent course work, and that my lower GPA is because of 10-years ago when I first did my undergrad. He indirectly told me that maybe I'll have better luck with other dental schools I applied to cause Case mostly cares about overall numbers.

4) This is just my guess here, I don't think they opened my file, I think they saw my front-end numbers and decided NEXT.



Good luck to rest of you

May sound cliche but seriously, it's their loss.

 

[lnngu]

so I called them to see why I was rejected. From what I gather and what their direction of admissions told me

1) they mostly care about overall numbers, they are not too impressed with most recent course work. So the fact that I had my last 3.5 years of straight 4.0 with upper level sciences, is nothing but a fluff to them

2) they value non-science GPA just as much as overall and science GPA, well my non-science was 3.0, overall was 3.3, and science was 3.6...... Maybe he was just telling me that to give me an excuse

3) I asked him directly about my most recent course work, and that my lower GPA is because of 10-years ago when I first did my undergrad. He indirectly told me that maybe I'll have better luck with other dental schools I applied to cause Case mostly cares about overall numbers.

4) This is just my guess here, I don't think they opened my file, I think they saw my front-end numbers and decided NEXT.



Good luck to rest of you

Ouch... I'm really sorry to hear that. Thank goodness for some of us that not all schools are like that. UoP told me they weighed the last two years most heavily when I went to visit them, last year.

Chin up. Like Alan84 said, it's their loss.

 

[FreeFallin]

DW, you're gonna rock it at the other schools. You're numbers look good with awesome DAT. 🙂

 

[threeblindmice]

so I called them to see why I was rejected. From what I gather and what their direction of admissions told me

1) they mostly care about overall numbers, they are not too impressed with most recent course work. So the fact that I had my last 3.5 years of straight 4.0 with upper level sciences, is nothing but a fluff to them

2) they value non-science GPA just as much as overall and science GPA, well my non-science was 3.0, overall was 3.3, and science was 3.6...... Maybe he was just telling me that to give me an excuse

3) I asked him directly about my most recent course work, and that my lower GPA is because of 10-years ago when I first did my undergrad. He indirectly told me that maybe I'll have better luck with other dental schools I applied to cause Case mostly cares about overall numbers.

4) This is just my guess here, I don't think they opened my file, I think they saw my front-end numbers and decided NEXT.



Good luck to rest of you

Thank you for finding that out. I think I fall into this category, I took one semester back in 2004 where I got a 2.5 after signing up for way too many science classes at once thinking that it was the same difficulty level as high school would be and then after maturing and taking some time off from school I came back to school and got 4.0's or close to it and raised my gpa to a 3.7. That sucks that they don't care about improvement, personal growth, maturity etc.

 

[ttdmd]

Thank you for finding that out. I think I fall into this category, I took one semester back in 2004 where I got a 2.5 after signing up for way too many science classes at once thinking that it was the same difficulty level as high school would be and then after maturing and taking some time off from school I came back to school and got 4.0's or close to it and raised my gpa to a 3.7. That sucks that they don't care about improvement, personal growth, maturity etc.

I have my doubts about what you said. I had a 1.9 GPA in my freshman year and straight 4.0 afterward. However, my cGPA is still pretty bad (sub 3.3). I just got an invite from them and there's no way I can make the cutoff if they don't look at my improvements

 

[threeblindmice]

I have my doubts about what you said. I had a 1.9 GPA in my freshman year and straight 4.0 afterward. However, my cGPA is still pretty bad (sub 3.3). I just got an invite from them and there's no way I can make the cutoff if they don't look at my improvements

Well those are my stats so maybe it was something else they didn't like I don't know. My DAT isn't amazing or anything its about average. Maybe its just a combination of a low first semester combined with average DAT and I'm male middle class and white? Who knows what they were looking for

 

[dentalWorks]

I have my doubts about what you said. I had a 1.9 GPA in my freshman year and straight 4.0 afterward. However, my cGPA is still pretty bad (sub 3.3). I just got an invite from them and there's no way I can make the cutoff if they don't look at my improvements

Well those are my stats so maybe it was something else they didn't like I don't know. My DAT isn't amazing or anything its about average. Maybe its just a combination of a low first semester combined with average DAT and I'm male middle class and white? Who knows what they were looking for

your guys are forgetting that there is more than 1 person in the adcom committee who looks at these. Maybe 1 person strickly cares about overall numbers vs the other that likes to see over-all improvements.

However, overall, I now believe they "skip" through alot of the applicants just to get the "interview process" over with.

 

[RedDevilDDS]

Dentalworks what's BCM?

I know BCP but never heard BCM lol Biology, Chemistry and Math?

and don't worry about Case. You are WELL qualified for Other fantastic D-schools!

 

[dentalWorks]

Dentalworks what's BCM?

I know BCP but never heard BCM lol Biology, Chemistry and Math?

and don't worry about Case. You are WELL qualified for Other fantastic D-schools!

oh shoot... yeh its BCP... I was in a state of RAGE, I wasn't even paying attention lol

Ty you and everyone else for your kind comments....

 

[allover]

do most school really read your PS if your numbers are below their means?

 

[dentalWorks]

well.... sometimes bad news are followed by good ones...
I just got my first interview invite for Nova.

very exciting

 

[FreeFallin]

well.... sometimes bad news are followed by good ones...
I just got my first interview invite for Nova.

very exciting

Congrats on Nova. When did they receive all your app materials?

Also, did you receive a packet in the mail from Case with 2 admissions information booklets prior to rejection letter?