Government SHUTdown

[MLT2MT2DO]

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Friend,

I think you're missing the point. My sister and her husband are civilians. I spoke to them this AM. So, it's from their lips as well. There is no guaranteed backpay, from what they said. Can you agree that civilians will get GUARANTEED BACKPAY if this ends up with a Shutdown? What else am I claiming? What you're saying is most likely this, and most likely that, and if we don't this, than we might get a that. You a mind reader Carnac? I'm not. So, let's not say I'm making claims any less founded than you.

Yeah, world's not ending, but I think, and I stand by this -- it SUCKS for a LOT of GOVERNMENT employees!

D712

If worse comes to worse we've been told after day 3 of the government shutdown we are eligible to file for unemployment.

This won't be the first time the government has "shutdown" and won't be the last.

Since your plan is to practice medicine in another country I'm not sure why you're staying in this "horrible country" any longer than you have to. You also understand they are currently paying $8 for a gallon of gas in some European countries?

All I'm saying is you take the word "drama" to a whole new level. But seeing as you're a writer I guess that is only natural and I probably shouldn't fault you for that.

 

[doctor712]

If worse comes to worse we've been told after day 3 of the government shutdown we are eligible to file for unemployment.

This won't be the first time the government has "shutdown" and won't be the last.

Since your plan is to practice medicine in another country I'm not sure why you're staying in this "horrible country" any longer than you have to. You also understand they are currently paying $8 for a gallon of gas in some European countries?

All I'm saying is you take the word "drama" to a whole new level. But seeing as you're a writer I guess that is only natural and I probably shouldn't fault you for that.

Ahhh, so now we're not on vacation anymore, we're filing for unemployment. Wonderful plan. I often file for unemployment when I'm on vacation in Biarritz...

Yes, I've paid for my share of gas in Europe. But they sell by the liter there, not gallon. Did you do the conversion correctly from gallons to liters whilst writing down all your sig figs and keeping the units in their proper places? I'm not sure if I trust you...

Somebody sounds like an angry government employee at the moment...LOL.

How's that for drama?

I bolded what I thought most important of your post above. I think you're annoyed I call out my great country when it F'S up. Sorry, I'm not in denial.

Now let's not hijack this thread anymore, this isn't about me or you. I'm not sure how I personally offended you, but clearly I did.

D712

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Ahhh, so now we're not on vacation anymore, we're filing for unemployment. Wonderful plan. I often file for unemployment when I'm on vacation in Biarritz...

Yes, I've paid for my share of gas in Europe. But they sell by the liter there, not gallon. Did you do the conversion correctly from gallons to liters whilst writing down all your sig figs and keeping the units in their proper places? I'm not sure if I trust you...

Somebody sounds like an angry government employee at the moment...LOL.

How's that for drama?

I bolded what I thought most important of your post above. I think you're annoyed I call out my great country when it F'S up. Sorry, I'm not in denial.

Now let's not hijack this thread anymore, this isn't about me or you. I'm not sure how I personally offended you, but clearly I did.

D712

I'm not exactly sure what is getting derailed. If anything it feels as if this forum has been derailed by your thread.

You also seem to enjoy taking things out of context, try not to do this on the VR section of your MCAT. This is going no where so I'll exit this thread and let you spout off about what the memo your brother got said. You are clearly the subject matter expert, gl in your future.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1809900,00.html

 

[Narcotized]

While I don't agree with the abrupt nature of government workers being layed off, the long term solution is exactly that, and to the 100th degree more than any little effect this will have. It's a lose-lose situation. Nobody wins when you've mortgaged the future to avoid some pain today.

Our country is so out of touch that I hear reports of national parks and monuments being closed as some big disaster. The government chugs towards default and an epic currency collapse, yet cancelling the summer weekend to Yellowstone would be a national tragedy. Unbelievable.

 

[cbrons]

While I don't agree with the abrupt nature of government workers being layed off, the long term solution is exactly that, and to the 100th degree more than any little effect this will have. It's a lose-lose situation. Nobody wins when you've mortgaged the future to avoid some pain today.

Our country is so out of touch that I hear reports of national parks and monuments being closed as some big disaster. The government chugs towards default and an epic currency collapse, yet cancelling the summer weekend to Yellowstone would be a national tragedy. Unbelievable.

aptly stated

 

[doctor712]

I'm not exactly sure what is getting derailed. If anything it feels as if this forum has been derailed by your thread.

You also seem to enjoy taking things out of context, try not to do this on the VR section of your MCAT. This is going no where so I'll exit this thread and let you spout off about what the memo your brother got said. You are clearly the subject matter expert, gl in your future.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1809900,00.html

Sniff. Sniff sniff. (pause) Nah. Not worth it.

D712

 

[IlDestriero]

I'm moving to Australia.

seriously.

See you there.👍
The storm is coming, and I don't plan to be here when it strengthens to a category 5 and is knocking on my door.
Of course, the dance can go on for a long time yet.😴
People bash Gov. Christie in New Jersey, and others doing the right thing, facing facts, and making the tough choices. They're my heroes. Dreamers keep their head in the sand and sue them to try to stop their progress.🙄 Meanwhile in congress (and the White House) ... 😴😴😴.
It's (almost) never too late to start down the road to true recovery, but we're still firmly on the road to ruin. Japan's not far behind.
The only thing saving the dollar is the pathetic Euro. I guarantee the German government thinks about exiting, and killing, the euro and offering up a potential dollar alternative.
Anyone studying German? I thought they were on the fast track 20 years ago, I think I was just off by a couple decades.

 

[IlDestriero]

Also if you're active military and you're living paycheck to paycheck you're not doing something right.

Were you in the military?
Do you have any idea how little junior enlisted people are paid to risk it all and defend our freedom? They all live check to check jackhole.👎
I could probably be out of work forever, Private Jones on the other hand is in real trouble. His out of work wife and new baby are a little nervous also.

 

[abcabc1]

Exactly why I'm in favor of a shutdown. Lost in the debate is how fiscally irresponsible BOTH parties are. They are basically the same and arguing over nickel and dimes (that's what less than 10 billion dollars is when you run a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit and a 14+ trillion dollar debt).

This is how dumb the Democrats are. Republicans are doing next to nothing by trimming 40 billion off of 1 POINT 6 FRIGGIN TRILLION dollar deficit, and the Democrat response is to make the pathetic laughable Republican plan actually look "fiscally responsible."

The fiscal "conservative" Republicans want a 1.56 trillion dollar deficit (1.6 minus 40 billion), and the fiscal liberal Democrats want a 1.57 trillion dollar deficit (1.6 minus 30 billion). No real surprise gold is 1460 and nations around the world now laugh at our governmental stupidity.

It's not that simple. It's hard to cut $ 1 T+ from the current year's budget deficit. While the GOP is certainly flawed, Paul Ryan's recent budget proposal is a good start. I'd prefer larger cuts and a faster time to balancing the budget than what he suggested, but his plan is far better than Obama's.

I'd love to see larger cuts to the current year deficits, but there's only so much that can be cut this deep into the fiscal year (more than 6 of 12 months are already gone). If we have a sensible plan moving forward (Ryan's plan was a start), the fiscal situation can improve.

 

[cfdavid]

See you there.👍
The storm is coming, and I don't plan to be here when it strengthens to a category 5 and is knocking on my door.
Of course, the dance can go on for a long time yet.😴
People bash Gov. Christie in New Jersey, and others doing the right thing, facing facts, and making the tough choices. They're my heroes. Dreamers keep their head in the sand and sue them to try to stop their progress.🙄 Meanwhile in congress (and the White House) ... 😴😴😴.
It's (almost) never too late to start down the road to true recovery, but we're still firmly on the road to ruin. Japan's not far behind.
The only thing saving the dollar is the pathetic Euro. I guarantee the German government thinks about exiting, and killing, the euro and offering up a potential dollar alternative.
Anyone studying German? I thought they were on the fast track 20 years ago, I think I was just off by a couple decades.

The German economic leadership never even attempted to sell the German people the idea that manufacturing doesn't matter. That they could completely deindustrialize their economy in favor of a new and improved "service based economy"......

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...in-east-as-exports-to-china-eclipse-u-s-.html

 

[Narcotized]

If we have a sensible plan moving forward (Ryan's plan was a start), the fiscal situation can improve.

I'm looking forward to the 2012 budget debate with popcorn in hand. The Republicans better bring some serious whoopass numbers and not this piddly "We need a mature discussion on entitlements" crap. I want real action. My Senator wrote me back today after sending him hate mail to tell me he's a champion of fiscal responsibility.... after this Republican joke had previously voted for TARP, Stimulus, and massive Tax Cuts. They are all clowns.

 

[jetproppilot]

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[jetproppilot]

Were you in the military?
Do you have any idea how little junior enlisted people are paid to risk it all and defend our freedom? They all live check to check jackhole.👎
I could probably be out of work forever, Private Jones on the other hand is in real trouble. His out of work wife and new baby are a little nervous also.

I have a 21 year old son.

Army Sniper/MP.

He deployed to Iraq for

A YEAR, IN A COMBAT ZONE.

My son cleared buildings, not knowing if the next room contained an insurgent waiting to kill him.

He's trained to deliver a kill shot from a rifle at almost a mile.

Thankfully he returned safely (we won't talk about the fact that he wants to redeploy.....young, bullet-proof, you get the gig)

My son took LIVE FIRE. On a pretty regular basis.

WTF???

Now the government has the option of NOT PAYING HIM???

Wait...

LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT...

..DUDES BEEN FIGHTING A WAR FOR US AND YOU MIGHT NOT GIVE HIM A PAYCHECK?????

HOLD UP A MINUTE....I DON'T UNDERSTAND...

 

[Consigliere]

No shutdown!

 

[doctor712]

The state of affairs:

""I voted against this short-term continuing resolution for the same reason I voted against the last one and the one before that — because it does not set us on a path to fixing the spending and debt problems our country is facing," freshman Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said in a statement. "As I have said before, there is not much of a difference between a $1.5 trillion deficit and a $1.6 trillion deficit — both will lead us to a debt crisis that we may not recover from."

D712

 

[IlDestriero]

I have a 21 year old son.

Army Sniper/MP.

He deployed to Iraq for

A YEAR, IN A COMBAT ZONE.

My son cleared buildings, not knowing if the next room contained an insurgent waiting to kill him.

He's trained to deliver a kill shot from a rifle at almost a mile.

Thankfully he returned safely (we won't talk about the fact that he wants to redeploy.....young, bullet-proof, you get the gig)

My son took LIVE FIRE. On a pretty regular basis.

WTF???

Now the government has the option of NOT PAYING HIM???

Wait...

LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT...

..DUDES BEEN FIGHTING A WAR FOR US AND YOU MIGHT NOT GIVE HIM A PAYCHECK?????

HOLD UP A MINUTE....I DON'T UNDERSTAND...

👍
Apparently they had a separate bill ready to authorize funding the military if they couldn't reach an agreement. Nothing says string me up by my balls and never vote for me again quite like not paying our troops during war time.
As an aside, I'm quite concerned about our potential escallation of involvement in Lybia. You can bet the CIA and special forces are already working overtime over there.

 

[GoodmanBrown]

Anesthesia attracted me yeah, for the personalities I saw as a med student, cool people I thought. Had a great med student rotation.

What also attracted me was the

BENJAMINS.

I don't think the money shouldn't be a factor, but I think placing it as high priority probably causes a lot of people to hate their job after a few years. You seem to love anesth., and that's great, but I'm sure there are folks out there who hate what they're doing and would've found a better fit in a different specialty, but didn't give it a chance.

 

[cfdavid]

I have a 21 year old son.

Army Sniper/MP.

He deployed to Iraq for

A YEAR, IN A COMBAT ZONE.

My son cleared buildings, not knowing if the next room contained an insurgent waiting to kill him.

He's trained to deliver a kill shot from a rifle at almost a mile.

Thankfully he returned safely (we won't talk about the fact that he wants to redeploy.....young, bullet-proof, you get the gig)

My son took LIVE FIRE. On a pretty regular basis.

WTF???

Now the government has the option of NOT PAYING HIM???

Wait...

LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT...

..DUDES BEEN FIGHTING A WAR FOR US AND YOU MIGHT NOT GIVE HIM A PAYCHECK?????

HOLD UP A MINUTE....I DON'T UNDERSTAND...

I was just having a discussion about this stuff with my dad. So, let me get this straight. Jamie Dimon gets a $17 million BONUS, and somehow the "enemy" has become dudes like your son and teachers from Wisconsin? Really? Sure.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/18/jamie-dimon-bonus-king/

 

[abcabc1]

I'm looking forward to the 2012 budget debate with popcorn in hand. The Republicans better bring some serious whoopass numbers and not this piddly "We need a mature discussion on entitlements" crap. I want real action. My Senator wrote me back today after sending him hate mail to tell me he's a champion of fiscal responsibility.... after this Republican joke had previously voted for TARP, Stimulus, and massive Tax Cuts. They are all clowns.

It's not fiscally irresponsible to vote for tax cuts per se. However, taxes can be cut only if spending is held in check. There have been situations where lower tax rats bring in more revenue (Kennedy, Reagan, GWB), so it's not always true that tax cuts cause the Government to 'lose money.' It would be nice if Government realized that tax hikes cause their bosses (i.e. the tax payers) to 'lose money.'

I'd encourage you to examine Paul Ryan's budget blueprint. I haven't seen all the details yet, but the headline numbers make it appear to be a good start. It's certainly far better than the alternative.

http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf

 

[abcabc1]

The state of affairs:

""I voted against this short-term continuing resolution for the same reason I voted against the last one and the one before that — because it does not set us on a path to fixing the spending and debt problems our country is facing," freshman Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said in a statement. "As I have said before, there is not much of a difference between a $1.5 trillion deficit and a $1.6 trillion deficit — both will lead us to a debt crisis that we may not recover from."

D712

Rand Paul is a real Senator and a real conservative. He has such high standards for balancing the budget that are much higher than those of the conservative Republicans. He wanted to cut $ 500 B from this year alone and wants to balance the budget in 5-7 years.

 

[Monty Python]

The German economic leadership never even attempted to sell the German people the idea that manufacturing doesn't matter. That they could completely deindustrialize their economy in favor of a new and improved "service based economy"......

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...in-east-as-exports-to-china-eclipse-u-s-.html

I lived in Germany 2009-2010. I shopped at an off-base mom-and-pop bakery frequently. These folks spoke excellent English. After getting to know each other we enjoyed my weekly shopping visits, where we'd discuss world events, comparing the American and German world-view. We'd occasionally compare and contrast the American and German economies, societies, etc.

Moms-and-pops (and slightly larger companies) are a vital part of the German economy, frequently cited for being the backbone of their economic resurgence: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/23/AR2010112306280.html

Things there right now are looking pretty good, and I certainly enjoyed my time living there. I wouldn't be too upset if Uncle Sam reassigned me there again. Damn I miss the autobahn.

However for the locals things aren't looking so hot further down the road:

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20091118-23365.html



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[doctor712]

Rand Paul is a real Senator and a real conservative. He has such high standards for balancing the budget that are much higher than those of the conservative Republicans. He wanted to cut $ 500 B from this year alone and wants to balance the budget in 5-7 years.

I know his political leanings. And, I think balancing the budget in 5-7 years would be great. But, Im sure it won't happen, people don't want to make hard choices. In Washington, it's all about the means to the end, not just the end. Last night's cra p fest was a perfect example of that.

D712

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Thanks Jet for that post.

BTW Jet, best of luck to your son. It is extremely honorable that he is fighting for us. I wish him all the best. I'm glad the monkeys in that Circus didn't cut off pay to those defending our nation. 👍

 

[IlDestriero]

Rand Paul is a real Senator and a real conservative. He has such high standards for balancing the budget that are much higher than those of the conservative Republicans. He wanted to cut $ 500 B from this year alone and wants to balance the budget in 5-7 years.

He should be president but it won't happen. No one is ready for the austerity, cuts, nothing but more handouts. It's exactly why the wealthy who are able may find it necessary to relocate abroad.

 

[Narcotized]

""I voted against this short-term continuing resolution for the same reason I voted against the last one and the one before that — because it does not set us on a path to fixing the spending and debt problems our country is facing," freshman Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said in a statement. "As I have said before, there is not much of a difference between a $1.5 trillion deficit and a $1.6 trillion deficit — both will lead us to a debt crisis that we may not recover from."

D712

Love this guy. Honesty and necessary pain; people don't want either.

There have been situations where lower tax rats bring in more revenue (Kennedy, Reagan, GWB)

Maybe, maybe not. Don't know much about Kennedy (except that his entire family is flaming liberal pain in the azzes), but I do know Reagan and GWB EXPLODED deficits. So, unless they sent in balanced budgets it can't be said lower taxes brought in more revenue (that whole apples/oranges randomized controlled double blinded thing).

In other words, you will get a lot of tax revenue when you explode government spending and government borrowing that you wouldn't have with a balanced budget, so you can't say with any certainty lowering taxes helped to do anything. What I can say for certainty is they sucked as far as fiscal responsibility and I don't want to use them for the model of anything.

To me it is unacceptable to spend more money than you tax except in an EXTREME dire emergency (I'm talking national invasion, NOT AIG going under).

 

[bravotwozero]

yeah, I dont understand why everyone is always talking about jumping ship to Canada, etc. I mean...it's freakin Canada! The physicians get paid worse, and they have what we're soon going to have. I'd rather be in the US, where salaries are still better than they would be at most (if not all) other nations and quality of life is much better. I don't care if I'd end up making 180K as long as I'm doing what I love, and am able to pay off my debt. I don't see how jumping ship would benefit me. However, you guys are the experts when it comes to the world enonomy and their political affairs, so maybe I'm missing something.

The Canadian government is on track to eliminate their budget deficit by 2015. They also did not have the *****ic banking laws their neighbours to the south had, and were not affected by the financial crisis fiasco.

I'd like you to show how the standard of living is higher in the US than Canada. The physicians do get paid less, I will give you that much. However, the malpractice laws in this country are far more reasonable. So you won't be coughing up an arm and a leg in malpractice insurance.

 

[ssmallz]

He should be president but it won't happen. No one is ready for the austerity, cuts, nothing but more handouts. It's exactly why the wealthy who are able may find it necessary to relocate abroad.

Easier said than done dude. I don't know if you've looked into it but the only way to get around paying taxes is to renounce your citizenship which comes w/severe monetary penalties.

 

[abcabc1]

Love this guy. Honesty and necessary pain; people don't want either.



Maybe, maybe not. Don't know much about Kennedy (except that his entire family is flaming liberal pain in the azzes), but I do know Reagan and GWB EXPLODED deficits. So, unless they sent in balanced budgets it can't be said lower taxes brought in more revenue (that whole apples/oranges randomized controlled double blinded thing).

In other words, you will get a lot of tax revenue when you explode government spending and government borrowing that you wouldn't have with a balanced budget, so you can't say with any certainty lowering taxes helped to do anything. What I can say for certainty is they sucked as far as fiscal responsibility and I don't want to use them for the model of anything.

To me it is unacceptable to spend more money than you tax except in an EXTREME dire emergency (I'm talking national invasion, NOT AIG going under). Who the F is anybody to say THE FUTURE must pay for my glutony now.

I didn't say that RR and GWB gave us lower deficits. I said that revenues to the Treasury went up after their tax cuts. If you want to deal with the deficit, you cut spending. We tax people enough already (those that actually pay taxes, that is).

I agree with spending matching revenues, but so much of the spending is entitlements and other areas that is hard to cut so quickly. That's why Paul Ryan's budget plan is a good starting point. It's not perfect, but at least he's an adult and serious about getting the debt under control. Rand Paul is even more serious, which is great.

 

[abcabc1]

He should be president but it won't happen. No one is ready for the austerity, cuts, nothing but more handouts. It's exactly why the wealthy who are able may find it necessary to relocate abroad.

I'm not saying you're wrong (and there's a good chance you're right), but my thinking is why give up so soon? Why assume everything is screwed up from now until the end of time? If that's the case, then why bother trying to achieve anything?

I totally agree with you on people with wealth relocating. Capital goes where it is well treated and I don't think it's possible to treat it any worse than the way the (D) party is treating it.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

The Canadian government is on track to eliminate their budget deficit by 2015. They also did not have the *****ic banking laws their neighbours to the south had, and were not affected by the financial crisis fiasco.

Right. Have you seen the taxes their citizens pay? Federal and provincial taxes that are higher than the taxes we have. It's especially tougher on those who EARN more than those who EARN less. The COL is much more diverse in the USA... South vs. Midwest vs. NE vs. West Coast. It's relatively more uniform in Canada.

I'd like you to show how the standard of living is higher in the US than Canada. The physicians do get paid less, I will give you that much. However, the malpractice laws in this country are far more reasonable. So you won't be coughing up an arm and a leg in malpractice insurance.

Higher gas prices
Higher cost of living
Free healthcare.. great, how long BEFORE you can access that free healthcare (i.e. wait lines to see a specialist are incredibly long)
Higher taxes
Higher grocery costs

etc. etc.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...lt.jsp?country1=Canada&country2=United+States

The quality of living is likely quite similar. I won't disagree with that, but be prepared for a higher cost of living and lower income (and lower buying power). That's why you have more physicians from Canada coming here and NOT vice-versa.

Canada has the social aspects over us, less pollution, cleaner, free healthcare etc. etc... but they also have less people.

Living in Canada likely isn't a bad thing... but, if you're wanting to escape the future of the USA, it just seems weird to me that one would want to go to Canada, where they HAVE what we are seemingly pursuing.

Honestly, I'm a warm-weather person, so that makes Canada an automatic turn-off for me... even if living in Canada was EVER better than living in the USA.

Also, for you guys who want to bail...(and I imagine this goes for ANY country, not just Canada)...


from the IRS website:

Question: I am a U.S. citizen. If I move to Canada to live and work there as a Canadian permanent resident, do I pay both U.S. and Canadian Taxes?


Answer: United States citizens living abroad:

Are required to file annual U.S. income tax returns.
Must report their worldwide income if they meet the minimum income filing requirements for their filing status and age.
Must contact the Canadian Government to determine whether you must file a Canadian tax return and pay Canadian taxes.
May be able to elect to exclude some or all of their foreign earned income, if certain requirements are met, or to claim a foreign tax credit if Canadian income taxes are paid.

http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq/0,,id=199665,00.html

 

[IlDestriero]

I'm not saying you're wrong (and there's a good chance you're right), but my thinking is why give up so soon? Why assume everything is screwed up from now until the end of time? If that's the case, then why bother trying to achieve anything?

I totally agree with you on people with wealth relocating. Capital goes where it is well treated and I don't think it's possible to treat it any worse than the way the (D) party is treating it.

I'm in no hurry to go anywhere. I'm milking the cow for all she's worth. If things change for the worse, people will do what they must. Some amass arms, I'll keep a bag packed. My children can be educated abroad as easily as here, and probably cheaper. The next 15 years will be interesting.
Not long ago the Dutch owned the seas, Great Britain, Rome, things change. I'm still betting on the shining city on the hill.

 

[Narcotized]

I didn't say that RR and GWB gave us lower deficits. I said that revenues to the Treasury went up after their tax cuts.

You missed my point. You are drawing direct cause and effect here when literally thousands of variables contribute to tax revenues. One example I gave is they both borrowed massive amounts of money to spend, of which a significant percentage of the borrowed/then spent money turns into tax revenue. Had they ran a balanced budget you don't know if tax revenues would have gone up.

I think the Laffer curve is as big a self-serving joke as Krugman spending Kaynesian garbage. When people's businesses and incomes fall off, I don't hear them say, "Well, time to work less." No, they work harder and maybe get a second job. As anesthesia groups' incomes take a hit from decreased revenues you see guys working more hours and years and hiring less. But if their incomes take a hit from taxes, Laffer voodoo says they will work less. I don't like taxes as much as the next guy, but I won't believe some self-serving nonsense because it decreases my tax burden.

I hope Paul Ryan and Rand Paul sticks to their guns and shake stuff up.

 

[IDBasco]

Just an interesting chart-

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Re.../Images/Reports/bg2001/bg2001chart4_lg_1.ashx

Article it came from:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

 

[Narcotized]

Just an interesting chart-

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Re.../Images/Reports/bg2001/bg2001chart4_lg_1.ashx

Article it came from:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

Interesting links, despite being extremely agenda based and totally non-controlled comparisons that would be immediately discarded by physicians without a second thought if these were journal studies. Just the fact that he starts off with "Despite surging economic growth... since 2003 (through 2007 when the article was written)" destroys all sense of credibility. Bush exploded the deficits and debt to simply keep afloat the shambles of our debt driven economy. That's not "surging economic growth." That simply steered us straight up to the edge of a cliff.

 

[IDBasco]

Interesting links, despite being extremely agenda based and totally non-controlled comparisons that would be immediately discarded by physicians without a second thought if these were journal studies. Just the fact that he starts off with "Despite surging economic growth... since 2003 (through 2007 when the article was written)" destroys all sense of credibility. Bush exploded the deficits and debt to simply keep afloat the shambles of our debt driven economy. That's not "surging economic growth." That simply steered us straight up to the edge of a cliff.

Strawman much?😴