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Hi everyone! I just got my class ranking and GPA after my first semester, but I don't plan on doing an internship after vet school or specializing. Other than for academic scholarships, how much do I need to care about these numbers? I've been focusing on learning the material as best as I can and not focusing on the letters and its really helped me mentally get through the first semester.
 
pawtasticbananas said:
Hi everyone! I just got my class ranking and GPA after my first semester, but I don't plan on doing an internship after vet school or specializing. Other than for academic scholarships, how much do I need to care about these numbers? I've been focusing on learning the material as best as I can and not focusing on the letters and its really helped me mentally get through the first semester.
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If you don't intend on matching anywhere (you never know, though), then you don't need to care. You're right in that some scholarships consider academic factors, though.
 
One of my friends was asked for her class rank at a job interview (small animal GP job), but I think that's unusual.
 
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Many people don’t know that they want an internship until clinics, but if you 100% know you’re going GP, a 3.0-3.2 is a good baseline.
If you’re going Internship, 3.4, academic internship >3.6 (Of my 9 inmates, there’s at least a 3.8 and a 4).
Also important is how your class rank shakes out. A 3.2 in top 1/3 is better than 3.2, bottom half of class.
I’m a best foot forward person so I don’t understand how to not care, but if I were hiring a new grad for my practice, I’d want top half of class, 3.0 at minimum.
Also, caring now gives a cushion for the rough classes in 2nd, 3rd year.


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fromthebox said:
Many people don’t know that they want an internship until clinics, but if you 100% know you’re going GP, a 3.0-3.2 is a good baseline.
If you’re going Internship, 3.4, academic internship >3.6 (Of my 9 inmates, there’s at least a 3.8 and a 4).
Also important is how your class rank shakes out. A 3.2 in top 1/3 is better than 3.2, bottom half of class.
I’m a best foot forward person so I don’t understand how to not care, but if I were hiring a new grad for my practice, I’d want top half of class, 3.0 at minimum.
Also, caring now gives a cushion for the rough classes in 2nd, 3rd year.


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Thank you for your advice! Its not that I don't care, its just thats I've learned VERY quickly that a high number or letter has little correlation to actually understanding and thorough knowledge of the material and certainly would not accurately reflect on how good a new vet will be in practice.
 
DVMDream said:
GPA and the ability to be a good veterinarian do not correlate. Damn glad I didn't have anyone with this thought process hiring me. Heck, no one asked for GPA.
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Having seen some of the dastardly tricks used by the 4.0 kids at my school, and the excellent care provided by my lower gpa classmates there are always exceptions. But there are also classmates who I would not trust with my pet who are now Dr.

I know nothing of your program, and I’m in an ivory tower that cares about GPA (one of our faculty said that, from experience 3.4 and below students don’t survive residency academically, that’s blinders for you). But, I also work with a lot of vet students. And it’s the motivation that I care about. A kid that doesn’t care what grades they get and doesn’t put in the effort even though I know they have the brain depresses me 10x more than someone who can’t recite the pathway at me.
Like, show respect for your patient. Be on time even when they’re a stable babysit case and I will care a lot less about academics and your discharge. I may not even make you stay late for it.
/clinicsrant

fromthebox said:
I’m a best foot forward person so I don’t understand how to not care.
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I would hold employees to my personal standard. Makes me a **** boss, most would not like my clinic. This is why I’m not the boss.



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fromthebox said:
Having seen some of the dastardly tricks used by the 4.0 kids at my school, and the excellent care provided by my lower gpa classmates there are always exceptions. But there are also classmates who I would not trust with my pet who are now Dr.

I know nothing of your program, and I’m in an ivory tower that cares about GPA (one of our faculty said that, from experience 3.4 and below students don’t survive residency academically, that’s blinders for you). But, I also work with a lot of vet students. And it’s the motivation that I care about. A kid that doesn’t care what grades they get and doesn’t put in the effort even though I know they have the brain depresses me 10x more than someone who can’t recite the pathway at me.
Like, show respect for your patient. Be on time even when they’re a stable babysit case and I will care a lot less about academics and your discharge. I may not even make you stay late for it.
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I would hold employees to my personal standard. Makes me a **** boss, most would not like my clinic. This is why I’m not the boss.
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Actually, one of the things you are advised of when looking for GP jobs is to NOT put your GPA on your resume and to steer clear of any clinic that asks for GPA. But hey, to each their own. I get why people might want it for an academic setting where it is somewhat important to be "book smart", but out here in GP land, your GPA means jack squat. Your ability to communicate and look things up is much more important. And your GPA will not be any reflection on those abilities. So the whole, "I wouldn't hire anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA" is high and mighty crap. Might have importance out in specialty land but out here not really.

And yes, I have multiple classmates that I wouldn't allow near a dead beetle, but those were all the ones boasting about how they are never taking any breaks from clinics and how they are graduating with honors. And also tended to be the ones to show up late, skirt clinic duties, try to pass the buck off to others, case dodge, etc. So, meh, I like my down to Earth low GPA friends. We didn't guess those multiple choice questions as well, but that's ok. I think we rock. Heck I just brought a 14 year old cat back to life after it collapsed dead in my hands this week.

(And no, my GPA was not below a 3.0 but was definitely not near "internship/academic/specialty status", whatever, doesn't mean I don't know what I am doing).
 
In my experience, the people who care about actually learning the material tend to make good grades regardless of how much they care about making good grades. Certainly I had classmates who were (and are) 100% on the GP train and were still in the top 10 in the class, GPA-wise.

If you care about GPA, be selective about your extracurriculars. I overcommitted myself, got very sick, and my GPA took a half-point hit that it never really recovered from. It can be hard to balance extracurricular work with academics. For me, student orgs and outside work experience were important, but like I said, it can affect your GPA.
 
DVMDream said:
Actually, one of the things you are advised of when looking for GP jobs is to NOT put your GPA on your resume and to steer clear of any clinic that asks for GPA. But hey, to each their own. I get why people might want it for an academic setting where it is somewhat important to be "book smart", but out here in GP land, your GPA means jack squat. Your ability to communicate and look things up is much more important. And your GPA will not be any reflection on those abilities. So the whole, "I wouldn't hire anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA" is high and mighty crap. Might have importance out in specialty land but out here not really.

And yes, I have multiple classmates that I wouldn't allow near a dead beetle, but those were all the ones boasting about how they are never taking any breaks from clinics and how they are graduating with honors. And also tended to be the ones to show up late, skirt clinic duties, try to pass the buck off to others, case dodge, etc. So, meh, I like my down to Earth low GPA friends. We didn't guess those multiple choice questions as well, but that's ok. I think we rock. Heck I just brought a 14 year old cat back to life after it collapsed dead in my hands this week.

(And no, my GPA was not below a 3.0 but was definitely not near "internship/academic/specialty status", whatever, doesn't mean I don't know what I am doing).
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I never said you didn't know what you were doing. I know you do. I think it sucks that my best friend from vet school may be denied her dream of specializing because she doesn't have the right number. And I don't think I'm better than her because I have a higher number and can do tests. We both busted our ass through our dual degree and she fought so many more stupid battles to be accepted than I had to that were unrelated to numbers. I can see you had some experiences with the top of your class that color your thoughts. It is possible to be a reliable, dedicated person and have a high GPA too. This is not an either/or proposition.

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In my experience, the people who care about actually learning the material tend to make good grades regardless of how much they care about making good grades. Certainly I had classmates who were (and are) 100% on the GP train and were still in the top 10 in the class, GPA-wise.

If you care about GPA, be selective about your extracurriculars. I overcommitted myself, got very sick, and my GPA took a half-point hit that it never really recovered from. It can be hard to balance extracurricular work with academics. For me, student orgs and outside work experience were important, but like I said, it can affect your GPA.
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+1 to all of this.
 
fromthebox said:
This is not an either/or proposition.
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I know you too. That's why I was so shocked by your comment of "I'd never hire someone with less than a 3.0 GPA." I'd have never expected that from you.

But the above is true. It isn't either/or, hence why GPA shouldn't even be asked for a GP job application. And if it is, the person applying should run away and fast.
 
I know people here can get kind of salty about grades/rankings, but my perspective (as a current 4th year student applying to internships) is that it is in your best interest to try and get the best grades you can, especially during the preclinical years. I didn't decide to do an internship until relatively late in the game. One of my advisors warned me against the "C's get degrees" mindset early on, because she said that her mediocre grades left her without an internship when she graduated. If you know 100% that you don't want to do one, then it's less of a concern. But it's possible that you'll change your mind, or that you'll fall in love with a specialty once you hit clinics. Grades aren't EVERYthing, but they mean SOMEthing when it comes to your post-grad choices. By all means, learning is the most important thing. But I would encourage you to not be *too* cavalier when it comes to grades, lest you limit your options down the road.
 
meningealworm said:
I know people here can get kind of salty about grades/rankings, but my perspective (as a current 4th year student applying to internships) is that it is in your best interest to try and get the best grades you can, especially during the preclinical years. I didn't decide to do an internship until relatively late in the game. One of my advisors warned me against the "C's get degrees" mindset early on, because she said that her mediocre grades left her without an internship when she graduated. If you know 100% that you don't want to do one, then it's less of a concern. But it's possible that you'll change your mind, or that you'll fall in love with a specialty once you hit clinics. Grades aren't EVERYthing, but they mean SOMEthing when it comes to your post-grad choices. By all means, learning is the most important thing. But I would encourage you to not be *too* cavalier when it comes to grades, lest you limit your options down the road.
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Thank you! I'm mainly not interested in an internship for financial reasons but you bring up a good point that as a first year I don't realllly know until clinics, so best to stay focused on learning and hope good grades follow 🙂
 
Definitely focus on the learning! Even if you aren't a 4.0 student, your professors will notice if you are dedicated to learning - if you show up and participate in discussions, if you have thoughtful questions, if you make the effort to figure out why you got things wrong on exams. There may be doors that open up that you hadn't even considered - research projects, jobs, offers to write letters, etc. I actually landed a job this way in vet school, which I held for 2.5 years. This definitely played into my decision to do an internship, and the clinician I work for offered to write me a great letter of recommendation.
 
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fromthebox said:
I’m a best foot forward person so I don’t understand how to not care, but if I were hiring a new grad for my practice, I’d want top half of class, 3.0 at minimum.
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Lol. My clinic has hired three new grads in the past year and a half, with me being the first and the others following year. Other two would fit your requirements; I wouldn't. And they suck. Like, "did you go to vet school how are you asking me this question don't you know how to VIN or crack a book??" suck. One less than the other but still.

And my GPA was not far sub 3.0 but it sure was. I was in the - gasp - bottom ten percent - of my class. And both of my bosses have commented independently that I have been the best new grad they've ever hired. Almost 45 years of practice between the two of them.

Shocker, my crappy GPA didn't make me a **** GP vet. 😉

Tell me what part of vet school I'm graded on that makes me good at talking to people, deciding how to treat animals with extremely limited budgets, gets me decent at "bread and butter" surgeries... and THEN start judging people by their GPA for those jobs. Geez.

Plus we're also specifically told to not put our GPAs on our resumes for GP jobs. I was asked on one interview and laughingly said, "not good, I spent most of my free time with x hobby and every weekend I could at spay neuter stuff" ...still got an offer. 😛
 
fromthebox said:
A kid that doesn’t care what grades they get and doesn’t put in the effort even though I know they have the brain depresses me 10x more than someone who can’t recite the pathway at me.
Like, show respect for your patient. Be on time even when they’re a stable babysit case and I will care a lot less about academics and your discharge. I may not even make you stay late for it.
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Not caring about your patient = not caring about your grades?? Seriously? We didn't even get real grades in clinics at my school in my fourth year. Never had a complaint about my patient care.

We learn the most RIDICULOUS bull**** in school. Stuff that not in a million years will be applicable to patient care. Yeah I decided early on that I wasn't going to make myself miserable learning the 18 genuses of rare worms or whatever.

No. I'm going to try and remember there's a lungworm that kinda looks like hooks and there's a weird heartworm lookalike out there with a different bit and then I'm gonna cram the rest of the scientific names and forget it all after doing well enough to pass on the test. And I have zero regrets doing so.
meningealworm said:
I know people here can get kind of salty about grades/rankings, but my perspective (as a current 4th year student applying to internships) is that it is in your best interest to try and get the best grades you can, especially during the preclinical years. I didn't decide to do an internship until relatively late in the game. One of my advisors warned me against the "C's get degrees" mindset early on, because she said that her mediocre grades left her without an internship when she graduated. If you know 100% that you don't want to do one, then it's less of a concern. But it's possible that you'll change your mind, or that you'll fall in love with a specialty once you hit clinics. Grades aren't EVERYthing, but they mean SOMEthing when it comes to your post-grad choices. By all means, learning is the most important thing. But I would encourage you to not be *too* cavalier when it comes to grades, lest you limit your options down the road.
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^this is a good perspective. It took me no time at all to realize that I wanted to be a generalist. The idea of specializing and treating so much of the same thing - but being the expert - is not me. I like to dabble in all aspects of my life. Also I really like *well* puppies and kittens. So it wasn't hard to let go of grades. Your approach is how I took undergrad, when I wasn't really sure if I wanted to do vet school to begin with but kept my grades up to keep my doors open.
 
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Yup, anyone who thinks that getting good grades equals gaining knowledge is being foolish and not someone you want to work for......they're people who value appearance over substance. Likewise, getting good grades does not equal being able to be a good clinician (which is as much about communication as it is about medicine, if not moreso). It's like people who think weighing less means being healthier.....it doesn't mean they can't go together (good grades and good clinical skills, a good BMI and good health), but one should not take the first as a sign of the second. Doing so indicates to me that a person has their priorities a little screwed up.
 
Aiming for good grades doesn't mean you're NOT going to be good at communicating, or patient care - it's not an either/or. My class, like every other, has those couple of students who will gun for every half point just to get a better grade for the sake of a better grade, but for the most part the people who are at the top of the class academically are also really strong clinical students, probably because those people are just really hard workers. I loved preclinical classes. I enjoyed memorizing the 18 genera of rare worms and whatnot, because I like knowing information, and I've been in situations (field work in remote locations) where you can't look something up easily. It also meant NAVLE studying wasn't super stressful.

You'll find your middle ground. Getting perfect grades isn't the point of vet school. Learning meaningful content and how to apply it is. You'll figure out in the coming semesters what that means for your personal/career goals.
 
meningealworm said:
Aiming for good grades doesn't mean you're NOT going to be good at communicating, or patient care - it's not an either/or.
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Right, you might get both, but it's the wrong thing to be aiming for......better to aim for those other things and hope you get good grades, than aim for grades and hope you get good at the clinical stuff.

Much like the saying good medicine brings in good money (which is usually true), but the thing to aim for is the good medicine and hope it will bring in good money - don't aim for bringing in good money and hope you'll manage to do good medicine.
 
I don't think it's fair to say that aiming for good grades is 'wrong.' Everyone gets to choose for themselves where their priorities are, and for some of us, academic performance was a priority. It got me in a good position as a graduating senior and earned me scholarship monies. I worked hard to be a good, well-rounded student and it certainly hasn't diminished my clinical abilities. I don't really understand why people get so critical of students here who want good grades. Make your own choices, and don't let others' affect you.
 
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I don't think it's fair to say that aiming for good grades is 'wrong.' Everyone gets to choose for themselves where their priorities are, and for some of us, academic performance was a priority. It got me in a good position as a graduating senior and earned me scholarship monies. I worked hard to be a good, well-rounded student and it certainly hasn't diminished my clinical abilities. I don't really understand why people get so critical of students here who want good grades. Make your own choices, and don't let others' affect you.
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This is how I operate, but this conversation started by someone saying they wouldn't hire a GP vet if they didn't have a 3.0 GPA and top 50% of the class... so apply said statement to others that imply we aren't worthwhile vets unless we hit those random targets. :shrug:
 
meningealworm said:
I don't really understand why people get so critical of students here who want good grades. Make your own choices, and don't let others' affect you.
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Because unless those grades are the entrance requirement to the next phase of whatever, I think it shows screwed up priorities. I don't let it affect me (and didn't when I was in school), but I'm also not going to keep my opinion to myself in a forum looking for opinions. I pretty much feel the same way in most situations where people make winning a competition for external validation their goal.

(As an aside, I remember in high school being astounded at how many people were upset that I flunked a math test, an area where I was regularly getting 85%-90%. I had teachers stopping me in the hall to say they were shocked and was everything OK with me. I think my father and I were the only ones who didn't mind, since we knew I'd failed on a technicality and not because I didn't know what I was doing.)
 
I was told when I was in school, that the only people that put their grades on their resumes are people who lack elsewhere. Not that people that get good grades are lacking in those things necessarily, but if you choose to flaunt that, it's usually a problem.

Jobs usually don't ask or care.
 
And I was told that it's entirely appropriate to put it on a CV when applying for internships. I hardly think working to maintain my GPA to keep a scholarship demonstrates 'screwed up priorities.' There's nothing wrong with academic performance being important - it's part of the package. I don't think it's fair for people here to imply that anyone who strives to get good grades is lacking in other areas like communication or clinical skills, or that their priorities are screwed up. I worked hard as a student, and I earned the right to be proud of that. There is absolutely nothing about that that has any bearing on any other student in my class (or outside of it, for that matter). We all do what we need to do to get through it, and to get where we need to be.
 
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And I was told that it's entirely appropriate to put it on a CV when applying for internships. I hardly think working to maintain my GPA to keep a scholarship demonstrates 'screwed up priorities.' There's nothing wrong with academic performance being important - it's part of the package. I don't think it's fair for people here to imply that anyone who strives to get good grades is lacking in other areas like communication or clinical skills, or that their priorities are screwed up. I worked hard as a student, and I earned the right to be proud of that. There is absolutely nothing about that that has any bearing on any other student in my class (or outside of it, for that matter). We all do what we need to do to get through it, and to get where we need to be.
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You really are missing the point.
 
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And I was told that it's entirely appropriate to put it on a CV when applying for internships. I hardly think working to maintain my GPA to keep a scholarship demonstrates 'screwed up priorities.' There's nothing wrong with academic performance being important - it's part of the package. I don't think it's fair for people here to imply that anyone who strives to get good grades is lacking in other areas like communication or clinical skills, or that their priorities are screwed up. I worked hard as a student, and I earned the right to be proud of that. There is absolutely nothing about that that has any bearing on any other student in my class (or outside of it, for that matter). We all do what we need to do to get through it, and to get where we need to be.
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DVMDream said:
You really are missing the point.
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meningealworm said:
I got your point. I'm making a different one.
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Nope, look at the bolded part in your first quote. You are missing the point. Someone commented on not hiring a person with less than a 3.0 GPA or in the lower 50% of their class for a GENERAL PRACTICE position. You are not supposed to post your GPA on your CV/Resume when applying for a GP job. It is not necessary and as @dyachei stated above indicates a sign of insecurity or lacking elsewhere.

GPA is necessary for internships, we weren't talking about those though. So, again, you are missing the point.

Just like you don't think it is "fair" for people to imply that those who strive for good grades are lacking in other areas. It is incredibly rude and condescending to state or express that someone with a lower GPA is not worthy of a job at all, which is basically what someone was stating.

I have met many vet students and veterinarians and generally speaking (not everyone) those who fretted over every single damn point they received lost the actual sight and goal of learning. Taking tests well and getting a high grade doesn't equate to learning the material in my mind. To me it indicates that you were able to memorize it. Big deal. Generally speaking these were the same people that struggled in clinics. They struggled to apply things, struggled to know the next step, etc. Sure they could recite some weird fact or whatever but when it came to what is next to work up those liver values or renal values or how to manage endocrine disease, it just wasn't there. However, that is "generally speaking" and doesn't apply to everyone who fret over every single point on every single exam.

There were also those with lower GPA's who honestly were just clueless too. But far fewer of these people because they knew that they weren't the best "test taker" so they focused on learning and knowing what next steps are. They focused that information more clinically rather than just memorizing the rote facts that the tests often tested. Again, a broad generalization.

You want to base your worth on something as superficial as grades. Go for it. Doesn't bother anyone. But don't place that GPA on a CV or resume for a GP job which is what we were talking about from the start. And if you are applying for a GP job and someone asks for your GPA... run. It is a pretty good guarantee that person is going to be high strung and monitoring every single thing you do right over your shoulder.

Again, in veterinary school, you really should focus on learning the material and knowing what to do with what you have learned. That should be the primary goal. Hopefully if you do that well, good grades will follow. That is what I did and I had good grades here and there. I wasn't rocking in the upper half of the class but I wasn't a sub 3.0 GPA person either. I was very happy with where I fell. The point is that everyone's aim should be to learn the material and learn how to communicate well and if you get good grades along with it, great, if you struggle, then figure out why. But don't fret and worry about every single point that you obtain on an exam.
 
The point I was making was that there are circumstances in which GPA comes into play, in response to the original topic. Again, I didn't miss your point; I was making a different one. I wasn't talking about GP jobs. You were. Hence, different points.

I never made any such remarks about GPA rendering someone unworthy of anything, and I never said I based my worth on grades. I simply said that it was part of the package, and something that I took into consideration as a student, for my own reasons. Getting good grades definitely is not the purpose of learning, but I don't really understand the open disdain for wanting to perform well academically. I'm sorry that your personal experience seems to be colored by negative interactions, but broad generalizations aren't always correct, and there are clearly differences in how different schools test the material (I can think of very few classes in which rote memorization would have gotten me very far). I hope that you are happy in your chosen field.

To the OP: focus on learning, and do your best. You'll find your way.
 
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I suggest that the generalizations stop and that we respect all the students and veterinarians that are doing/did it their way to get the degree. I am a bit tired of finger pointing. You see a classmate struggling in clinics who did well in class? Do your best to help them out. I would hope that if you had asked them, they would have done anything to help you out in the classroom.

This should continue in practice. Now are there some that are just going to be jerks and don't want the help? Sure. They exist. But as long as we do our part to build our selves and our colleagues up, the better off the profession will be.

Hope everyone has a great holiday and a happy new year
 
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I suggest that the generalizations stop and that we respect all the students and veterinarians that are doing/did it their way to get the degree. I am a bit tired of finger pointing. You see a classmate struggling in clinics who did well in class? Do your best to help them out. I would hope that if you had asked them, they would have done anything to help you out in the classroom.

This should continue in practice. Now are there some that are just going to be jerks and don't want the help? Sure. They exist. But as long as we do our part to build our selves and our colleagues up, the better off the profession will be.

Hope everyone has a great holiday and a happy new year
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Who the blazes said anything about not helping out a fellow student or colleague? Now who's doing the finger pointing and generalization?
 
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CalliopeDVM said:
That you're proud of your external validation. Got that.
You can be proud of anything you like. Some people are proud of their junior high science fair award. That's their right too.
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Who the blazes said anything about not helping out a fellow student or colleague? Now who's doing the finger pointing and generalization?
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You are coming at me after making the above passive aggresive statement? People around here were getting petty, so I attempted to bring civility back into the fold. I don't know what bug flew up people's backsides of late, but it is getting old. My statement was meant to maybe help people take a step back and reevaluate the contentiousness brimming over. Why are you so offended?
 
Lupin21 said:
You are coming at me after making the above passive aggresive statement? People around here were getting petty, so I attempted to bring civility back into the fold. I don't know what bug flew up people's backsides of late, but it is getting old. My statement was meant to maybe help people take a step back and reevaluate the contentiousness brimming over. Why are you so offended?
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I'm offended that people seem to want to pressure people into not posting their opinions (or belittle them for posting their opinions) when I thought these threads were all about posting opinions. No one has asked for help, and no one ever suggested that those asking for help shouldn't get it because of [whatever one may disagree with].
 
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You are coming at me after making the above passive aggresive statement? People around here were getting petty, so I attempted to bring civility back into the fold. I don't know what bug flew up people's backsides of late, but it is getting old. My statement was meant to maybe help people take a step back and reevaluate the contentiousness brimming over. Why are you so offended?
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Not to continue to fuel the fire, but the phrase you just said is pretty darn petty. Maybe you didn't mean it in the way it is most often used.

ETA: Also, fwiw, I don't think anyone on this thread was trying to pull the "All 4.0 students will lack in the social skills/clinical skills area." I don't think I've ever seen a post from a regular at any time that even came close to suggesting that. We all know that generalization is not true. However, when someone says they refuse to hire below a certain GPA (as if GPA implies one's clinical abilities), they're going to be provided with examples as to why that 'rule' makes no sense. One could provide examples of low GPA students doing poorly in clinics, too.

And again: Don't ever tell me my GPA gives you an idea of what kind of doctor I'll be/whether I gave a damn in school, and that I don't deserve a job interview because I will end up below a 3.0. Talk to me after you take exams that contain questions that are extremely irrelevant, exams that were never even proofread to see if the questions even made sense, and when you have 9 chances to make said GPA.
 
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CalliopeDVM said:
I'm offended that people seem to want to pressure people into not posting their opinions (or belittle them for posting their opinions) when I thought these threads were all about posting opinions. No one has asked for help, and no one ever suggested that those asking for help shouldn't get it because of [whatever one may disagree with].
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No, I definitely agree opinions are always going to differ. However, I think the tone that happened started going wrong. The GPA debate for some reason gets dodgey. I liken it somewhat to the DO vs MD debate on the med side. I take the blame for probably being too cavalier on it, but I strongly dislike it when we start infighting, especially over something so minor in the larger scheme of things. It has come up more often lately it seems, so I had a trigger finger to calm the seas.
 
pp9 said:
Not to continue to fuel the fire, but the phrase you just said is pretty darn petty. Maybe you didn't mean it in the way it is most often used.

ETA: Also, fwiw, I don't think anyone on this thread was trying to pull the "All 4.0 students will lack in the social skills/clinical skills area." I don't think I've ever seen a post from a regular at any time that even came close to suggesting that. We all know that generalization is not true. However, when someone says they refuse to hire below a certain GPA (as if GPA implies one's clinical abilities), they're going to be provided with examples as to why that 'rule' makes no sense. One could provide examples of low GPA students doing poorly in clinics, too.

And again: Don't ever tell me my GPA gives you an idea of what kind of doctor I'll be/whether I gave a damn in school, and that I don't deserve a job interview because I will end up below a 3.0. Talk to me after you take exams that contain questions that are extremely irrelevant, exams that were never even proofread to see if the questions even made sense, and when you have 9 chances to make said GPA.
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Nah, they seemed extremely mad at the post, so I wondered why. She answered, and I see that she felt I was trying to stifle her opinion. Which is certainly not my intent, but I think there are definitely ways to debate without defaulting to going to the extremes. You were directing it to the I've seen 4.0 who can't do clinics, so I saw what was likely coming, not that FTB didn't get that snowball rolling right out of the gate. lol

If you all really want to carry on though, go ahead. I would hope that it doesn't go dark though. I am sure there is great reading as well with the similar threads options at the bottom of the page, especially with those crazy med kids. 🤣
 
Ah, potatoes -- a greatly undervalued vegetable. Hugely nutritious, including the fact that a medium potato has more potassium than a medium banana (unless you boil the potato, then the potassium leaches out into the water). If you were stranded in the middle of nowhere, you'd live longer and healthier eating just potatoes than eating any other single type of food.

I love potatoes 🙂
 
CalliopeDVM said:
Ah, potatoes -- a greatly undervalued vegetable. Hugely nutritious, including the fact that a medium potato has more potassium than a medium banana (unless you boil the potato, then the potassium leaches out into the water). If you were stranded in the middle of nowhere, you'd live longer and healthier eating just potatoes than eating any other single type of food.

I love potatoes 🙂
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TIL
 
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twelvetigers said:
Who goes to the WH and doesn't get hash browns?
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Was really thinking about if the White House had some famous potatoes that I hadn't heard of before.

My brain must be in energy saving mode. I read waffle House in the previous line.
 
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