GPA question

[sugar12]

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[Kardio]

Good improvement. I don't know the answer to your question - but a mediocre freshman GPA isn't going to stop you (provided you keep doing better).

 

[Goro]

Do schools see your cumulative gpa upto each year, or the GPA's of each individual year separately?
Also, how much does a strong upward trend make up for a relatively low gpa?

My breakdown is as follows (cumulative)
Freshman: 3.18
Sophomore: 3.6 (3.94)

Yes, we see your year by year progress, and even your transcripts.

Upward trends are always a good thing.

 

[Catalystik]

 

[de Ribas]

Do schools see your cumulative gpa upto each year, or the GPA's of each individual year separately?
Also, how much does a strong upward trend make up for a relatively low gpa?

My breakdown is as follows (cumulative)
Freshman: 3.18
Sophomore: 3.6 (3.94)

yes, overall science, overall non-science, overall total, year by year, Post-Bacc and graduate GPA are all separate.

 

[sugar12]

Thanks!

 

[noble fianu]

Looking at my stats
Major: mathematics and chemistry minor premed
Freshman year:2.6and 2.8
Sophomore : 3.67 and 3.45
Junior : 3.03 and getting into my spring semester
cgpa: 3.15
sgpa: 3.04
Shadowing :420 hours
Volunteer: 300
Volunteer Clinical pharmacist : 200
I haven’t taken the mcat, I’m looking into getting research in undergrad. Should I still be working on getting my gpa up there? And what are my chances of getting into med school.

 

[DoctorSnow]

Looking at my stats
Major: mathematics and chemistry minor premed
Freshman year:2.6and 2.8
Sophomore : 3.67 and 3.45
Junior : 3.03 and getting into my spring semester
cgpa: 3.15
sgpa: 3.04
Shadowing :420 hours
Volunteer: 300
Volunteer Clinical pharmacist : 200
I haven’t taken the mcat, I’m looking into getting research in undergrad. Should I still be working on getting my gpa up there? And what are my chances of getting into med school.

TIP*** Use the What Are My Chances Forums instead of commenting on another person's forum post

It looks as though your GPA is well below the 10th percentile for all MD schools (I don't know any stats for DO schools) That's all I got for you.

 

[698344]

Looking at my stats
Major: mathematics and chemistry minor premed
Freshman year:2.6and 2.8
Sophomore : 3.67 and 3.45
Junior : 3.03 and getting into my spring semester
cgpa: 3.15
sgpa: 3.04
Shadowing :420 hours
Volunteer: 300
Volunteer Clinical pharmacist : 200
I haven’t taken the mcat, I’m looking into getting research in undergrad. Should I still be working on getting my gpa up there? And what are my chances of getting into med school.

If you’re a premed why are you shadowing a pharmacist? But yeah, your gpa is looking weak considering you only have 3 semesters left to bring it up.

 

[noble fianu]

If you’re a premed why are you shadowing a pharmacist? But yeah, your gpa is looking weak considering you only have 3 semesters left to bring it up.

im staying for another extra semester but yea about the clinical pharmacist i shadowed hm in the hospital going rounds with other professional teams looking at patients records and stuff like that isnt that kinda nice to do? or its just a totally bad idea to shoadow a pharmacist.

 

[698344]

im staying for another extra semester but yea about the clinical pharmacist i shadowed hm in the hospital going rounds with other professional teams looking at patients records and stuff like that isnt that kinda nice to do? or its just a totally bad idea to shoadow a pharmacist.

It’s not a bad idea, but your time could have been better spent.

 

[HomeSkool]

im staying for another extra semester but yea about the clinical pharmacist i shadowed hm in the hospital going rounds with other professional teams looking at patients records and stuff like that isnt that kinda nice to do? or its just a totally bad idea to shoadow a pharmacist.

You should not list time shadowing a pharmacist on a med school application. The point of shadowing is to observe the role and responsibilities of a physician, not those of a pharmacist.

 

[Goro]

im staying for another extra semester but yea about the clinical pharmacist i shadowed hm in the hospital going rounds with other professional teams looking at patients records and stuff like that isnt that kinda nice to do? or its just a totally bad idea to shoadow a pharmacist.

No. Do you want to be a doctor, or a pharmacist? As an Adcom member, I don't care that you know what a pharmacist's day is like.

I want you to show us that you know what a doctor's day is like, and how different doctors approach the practice of Medicine.

The downward trend in your JR year is a not a good sign. You need to ace the next three semesters and show that this was a fluke.

 

[noble fianu]

No. Do you want to be a doctor, or a pharmacist? As an Adcom member, I don't care that you know what a pharmacist's day is like.

I want you to show us that you know what a doctor's day is like, and how different doctors approach the practice of Medicine.

The downward trend in your JR year is a not a good sign. You need to ace the next three semesters and show that this was a fluke.

Yea I flunked cos I took calc 3, physics, organic chemistry with some other classes but did well in my science classes but had a c+ in calc 3

 

[Blanky]

What about if you took EMT for 11 credits years before starting your formal degree? Does the EMT show up as freshman year and everything gets pushed back?
Also if you graduate over 120 credits does the senior year just have over 30 credits?

 

[de Ribas]

What about if you took EMT for 11 credits years before starting your formal degree? Does the EMT show up as freshman year and everything gets pushed back?
Also if you graduate over 120 credits does the senior year just have over 30 credits?

If you have more than 120 credits but still didn't receive your bachelor's, it may count as a senior year. You list a school (aka main school) that you received your bachelor's from, so they can see where senior year ends and post-bacc starts.

Anything after bachelor's is a Post-Bacc. Grad school grades are categorized separately.

 

[medguy24]

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Do classes graded pass/fail go into the yearly credit count? Or do they all just appear on the bottom? If I’m taking 3 credits of research each semester that is p/f and I’m only taking 15 credits a semester, will it look like I’m taking 15-3=12 *2 =24 a year? instead of 30?


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[de Ribas]

Do classes graded pass/fail go into the yearly credit count? Or do they all just appear on the bottom? If I’m taking 3 credits of research each semester that is p/f and I’m only taking 15 credits a semester, will it look like I’m taking 15-3=12 *2 =24 a year? instead of 30?


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What gonnif said in some other thread:

Or a simpler way to say it:
If you have a letter grade (A,B, C, D, F) for any course on your official transcript, it will be factored into AMCAS GPA
If you do not have a letter grade for any course on your official transcript, it will not factored in AMCAS GPA

Whatever score you may have earned on an AP exam, Course Placement, etc, is not, repeat not, used towards AMCAS GPA
Only the grades on the official transcripts will be used towards GPA calculation

 

[medguy24]

What gonnif said in some other thread:

I get that it wont go into the gpa but will it count as the credits for the year?


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[Catalystik]

I get that it wont go into the gpa but will it count as the credits for the year?

Your full transcript is also available on the AMCAS application and organized by term, so the credits for each term can be easily appreciated, whether a class is taken P/F or for a grade.

 

[medguy24]

Yes

So hypothetically if a student took 27 credits p/f and 3 credits grades with an A grade, it would show on the chart as:
Sophomore year: 30 credits 4.0 GPA ?

What’s the extra supplemental hours box on the bottom of the chart then?

Thx!


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[Perfect Hair Day]

OP, based on your cGPA trend and your sGPA trend, it is a very concerning look. Some have suggested it would be important to finish out with a strong performance over the next three semesters. With this in mind, you would need to wait until after you graduated to apply to medical school in order for the schools you apply to to see all three of those semesters, rather than the upcoming spring terms grades. Unfortunately, with three semesters left, any strong performance will still be diluted down by the weaker performance earlier on. You could consider doing a post-bacc (which would be the equivalent of more undergraduate coursework that may inflater the undergrad GPA a little); alternatively, you could apply to Special Masters Programs or some of the 1-2 year MS progams (Michigan, New York Medical College, etc.) where you would get a clean-slate as far as GPA is concerned and have an undergraduate GPA from college and then a separate graduate GPA that would show a steep incline as far as trend is concerned on the AMCAS application.

Good Luck!

 

[medguy24]

For AMCAS, you will show 3 credits of 4.0 with 27 credits of supplemental at bottom
For individual schools, all the credits will count towards any minimum credit requirement for applying or matriculation

Oh I see. So since I’m taking 15 credits every semester but 3 of them are research which is p/f, should I be worried that my application is gonna look like I didn’t take a rigorous course load? Or in other words, should I stop taking research for credits and take another class that is graded? Or it dosent really matter?

I guess it would look like this:
Freshman 24
Sophomore 24
Junior 24

Supplemental 18


Thx again!!


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[Catalystik]

For AMCAS, you will show 3 credits of 4.0 with 27 credits of supplemental at bottom
For individual schools, all the credits will count towards any minimum credit requirement for applying or matriculation

Note that the supplemental hours at the bottom (refer to post #4 above for illustration) are cumulative over the entirety of the college years, not just for one year. So you can't tell what year they were taken in unless you look at the more-detailed transcript elsewhere on the application.

So since I’m taking 15 credits every semester but 3 of them are research which is p/f . . . I guess it would look like this:
Freshman 24
Sophomore 24
Junior 24

Supplemental 18

Yes, you got it!

 

[noble fianu]

OP, based on your cGPA trend and your sGPA trend, it is a very concerning look. Some have suggested it would be important to finish out with a strong performance over the next three semesters. With this in mind, you would need to wait until after you graduated to apply to medical school in order for the schools you apply to to see all three of those semesters, rather than the upcoming spring terms grades. Unfortunately, with three semesters left, any strong performance will still be diluted down by the weaker performance earlier on. You could consider doing a post-bacc (which would be the equivalent of more undergraduate coursework that may inflater the undergrad GPA a little); alternatively, you could apply to Special Masters Programs or some of the 1-2 year MS progams (Michigan, New York Medical College, etc.) where you would get a clean-slate as far as GPA is concerned and have an undergraduate GPA from college and then a separate graduate GPA that would show a steep incline as far as trend is concerned on the AMCAS application.

Good Luck!

I’m staying for another extra semester based on my credits as of now so basically left with 4 semesters. But I was wondering if I could retake the science classes that I had a C in which were 2 bio 101 and 102. So that if I do well the grades would be averaged which would then boost my sgpa considering I still continue to de well in my science classes. But around what gpa should I shoot for by the end of my undergrad to be competitive for DO Sgpa and cgpa

 

[noble fianu]

DO NOT RETAKE A “C” as is does not impress an adcom and can in fact be a negative risk.

1) a retake does not somehow directly cancel out a previous C. All courses taken at all colleges will be part of the GPA calculation

2) with a second taking of a course an adcom would expect that you get an A. There is no way to get higher than that snd therefore impress

3) conversely, getting anything less than an A can raise the question “gee this kid cant even get an A the second time in a course?”

Thank you for the insight. What gpa both science and cumulative should I be shooting for to be competitive for DO