GPR in NYC. Some info to share.

[vicsin]

So there isn't much information about many GPR's in NY yet everyone has to do one. I figured a lot of people are trying to find anything they can on programs so I want to help and ask for others opinions. I have tried hard to research programs but I still have limited knowledge on most of them. I made a list of 7. I would love some more input on these programs. I will share what I know based on visiting a couple of the programs and talking to residents and directors.
Here is my list:
Methodist
Maimonedes
King County
Lutheran
Wyckoff
Mt. Sinai
Bellevue

1. Methodist: So I visited Methodist for a day and I really loved the program. Excellent location. The residents seemed happy. No one was rushed or stressed. Everyone had their own assistant. They all seemed to have a great experience in endo especially. They learned all aspects of dentistry including fixed, removeable, limited ortho, pedo, perio. Attendings were nice. Hours are great. The PGY2 residents place implants and get to be more selective of their cases. It seems a well rounded program and good clean environment. Definitely a top choice although very few PGY1s placed implants.

2. Maimonodes: Visited this one too. It seemed very laid back. The director was a really nice guy. Only 6 residents each have their own chair but no chairside assistant (only sometimes and they set up/clean/pour models) Residents seem to like their experience. Things were slow the day I came in but they can see tons of patients some days. They do rotary endo. I don't think they place many implants but the director said they were trying to reduce the price of implants which may help that out. Handful of fixed and removeable. They get good amount of OS and OS residents help with on call. On call schedule not bad. This is not a top program but definitely a good choice.

3. Kings County: This program I only know about from what friends have told me. It is a top notch program based on the opinions of most. Tons of implants. If you want to place implants apply here. The director told me 2 weeks in a resident has already placed implants. Even the shy will place close to 15. They work very very hard here. The hours don't seem bad though. They get experience in all though I have heard it is kind of geared towards oral surgery/implants more than anything else. They do prepare you for anything in dentistry people say. You come out confident and experienced. Competitive program. Tough program. But from what I hear seems worth it.

4. Lutheran: Visited here as well. I liked it. The only negative was the hours. Seemed a little crazy. I forget the specifics but some days you are there 8-7. They have curtains in cubicles which i did not like the look of. They have a lot of residents so on call is spread out. See a lot of trauma; jaw wiring, bleeding emergencies. The great thing is they get fast hands. They start you slow and work you up. You can request cases. Some people really love esthetic dentistry and got to do tons of crowns and veneers. You get what you put into this program. Seems like a good one to prepare for all dental procedures; lots of endo, fixed, OS. Not sure about implants- more likely in PGY2.

5. Wyckoff: Don't know much about them but there is a lot of spots and its close to my house so I applied. My dentist went here and he is great but honestly don't know much about the program. If anyone has info I would LOVE it.

6. Mt Sinai: Based on what friends say there is a lot of fixed done here; resident said he does it every other day at least. They have lots of didactic courses, hours 9-5, not bad. Great area of NYC. It is a good one to look into but I would like more info.

7. Bellevue: This one has a good reputation over the years. Good area. Prepares you well. Website had some excellent info claiming lots of implants as many as 500 were placed in a year. Lots of perio surgery; flaps, crown lengthening. They do at least 6 anterior and 6 molar endo cases. These all sound great but would love some first hand info on the program.

Other programs:
Brookdale: heard this is like a 5th year of dental school and to stay away.
Woodhull: heard good things lots of experience well rounded. but kind of like a workshop. long hours. little supervision.
Northshore LIJ: excellent program. implant placement is done here.
Lutheran AEGD: another excellent program involving implant placement.
Interfaith: has been really awful in the past with evil OMFS attendings but they left and the new director is improving the program. may be worth a visit.

That basically covers all I know. Hope this helps out someone. And hope someone can help me out with their knowledge 🙂.

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[Ifixteeth]

The info here will help so many prospective GP/AEGD residents
I concur with you on most of the aforementioned information.
Would like to add on to this thread.
I did my GPR from Interfaith (chose the program over Mintefiore..How silly of me? )
Anyway the Interfaith Program director at the time (A prosthodontist) literally made a great pitch at the time of the interview. Although the program was small (5 residents) we were miserable. awful program director,crazy hours(8-6:30), crazy on call schedule (5 days a month) and lack of supervision.Although at the time of the interview I was told we will do lots of implants/fixed but it turned out that due the director's own personal engagements he was never/rarely available. Only positive-- good OS exposure and gaining the tenacity to work in stressful/fast paced environment. .
That being said since there are a lot of GPR programs in NYC make you atleast spend a day or two at the program you are interested in and get the honest feedback from the current residents.

Montefiore (interviewed here) --
Great program,especially if you are interested in specializing.Can get jn touch with the program directors from the other specialities offered there.
great faculty..Good amount of exposure to endo/fixed/OS.
Provide housing at highly concessioned prices.
Hope this helps

 

[Ifixteeth]

The info here will help so many prospective GP/AEGD residents thank you for starting this thread.
I concur with you on most of the aforementioned information.
Would like to add on to this thread.
I did my GPR from Interfaith (chose the program over Montefiore..I know..How silly of me? Got sold on the Program Director's sales pitch during interview)

Anyway the Interfaith Program director at the time (A prosthodontist) literally made a great pitch at the time of the interview. Although the program was small (5 residents) we were miserable. awful program director,crazy hours(8-6:30), crazy on call schedule (5 days a month) and lack of supervision.Although at the time of the interview I was told we will do lots of implants/fixed but it turned out that due the director's own personal engagements he was never/rarely available. Only positive-- good OS exposure and gaining the tenacity to work in stressful/fast paced environment. .
That being said since there are a lot of GPR programs in NYC make sure you atleast spend a day or two at the program you are interested in and get the honest feedback from the current residents.

Montefiore (interviewed here) --
Great program,especially if you are interested in specializing.Can get jn touch with the program directors from the other specialities offered there.
great faculty..Good amount of exposure to endo/fixed/OS. My buddies who went here are all praises for the program.
Provide housing at highly concessioned prices.
Hope this helps

 

[setdoc7]

Enough with the urban legends and misinformation. Kings County location is not what any native New Yorker would call decent. Flak jacket required at night. Monte has 65 GPR's and experience is location driven, they have 5 different clinics...some better than others. Interfaith is completely revamped with a new chairman and staff as well as facilities...the conclusion is still out. Sinai clinic is off campus, so not really a hospital experience, but chairman/PD is well respected. And if you are looking for top location, not Sinai....Cornell and Manhattan VA. Wyckoff also has a new staff. GPR PD new to field. Bellevue GPR is old Coler-Goldwater crew that moved over when clinic there closed. Examine Woodhull resident to chair ratio and ask about PD supervision.

Just saying. Urban legends.
You are missing some well run places:
St Barnabas
North Shore
Jacobi
NY Hosp Queens
Queens General

New to NYC area:
Winthrop
Coney Island
Not sure about either of these as too new.

Judging programs on how many implants placed is not a good metric. 20 does not make competency by any stretch, and without the concurrent ability to bone graft and sinus lift, almost useless. And multiple placements should be sedated. That's what we have OMFS for, among other things.
See where the programs draw from. Local only means no one really goes for the training, they need a license. National class means people who don't need to, come there to learn and be part of something great.

 

[beanary23]

So there isn't much information about many GPR's in NY yet everyone has to do one. I figured a lot of people are trying to find anything they can on programs so I want to help and ask for others opinions. I have tried hard to research programs but I still have limited knowledge on most of them. I made a list of 7. I would love some more input on these programs. I will share what I know based on visiting a couple of the programs and talking to residents and directors.
Here is my list:
Methodist
Maimonedes
King County
Lutheran
Wyckoff
Mt. Sinai
Bellevue

1. Methodist: So I visited Methodist for a day and I really loved the program. Excellent location. The residents seemed happy. No one was rushed or stressed. Everyone had their own assistant. They all seemed to have a great experience in endo especially. They learned all aspects of dentistry including fixed, removeable, limited ortho, pedo, perio. Attendings were nice. Hours are great. The PGY2 residents place implants and get to be more selective of their cases. It seems a well rounded program and good clean environment. Definitely a top choice although very few PGY1s placed implants.

2. Maimonodes: Visited this one too. It seemed very laid back. The director was a really nice guy. Only 6 residents each have their own chair but no chairside assistant (only sometimes and they set up/clean/pour models) Residents seem to like their experience. Things were slow the day I came in but they can see tons of patients some days. They do rotary endo. I don't think they place many implants but the director said they were trying to reduce the price of implants which may help that out. Handful of fixed and removeable. They get good amount of OS and OS residents help with on call. On call schedule not bad. This is not a top program but definitely a good choice.

3. Kings County: This program I only know about from what friends have told me. It is a top notch program based on the opinions of most. Tons of implants. If you want to place implants apply here. The director told me 2 weeks in a resident has already placed implants. Even the shy will place close to 15. They work very very hard here. The hours don't seem bad though. Location decent. They get experience in all though I have heard it is kind of geared towards oral surgery/implants more than anything else. They do prepare you for anything in dentistry people say. You come out confident and experienced. Competitive program. Tough program. But from what I hear seems worth it.

4. Lutheran: Visited here as well. I liked it. The only negative was the hours. Seemed a little crazy. I forget the specifics but some days you are there 8-7. They have curtains in cubicles which i did not like the look of. They have a lot of residents so on call is spread out. See a lot of trauma; jaw wiring, bleeding emergencies. The great thing is they get fast hands. They start you slow and work you up. You can request cases. Some people really love esthetic dentistry and got to do tons of crowns and veneers. You get what you put into this program. Seems like a good one to prepare for all dental procedures; lots of endo, fixed, OS. Not sure about implants- more likely in PGY2.

5. Wyckoff: Don't know much about them but there is a lot of spots and its close to my house so I applied. My dentist went here and he is great but honestly don't know much about the program. If anyone has info I would LOVE it.

6. Mt Sinai: Based on what friends say there is a lot of fixed done here; resident said he does it every other day at least. They have lots of didactic courses, hours 9-5, not bad. Great area of NYC. It is a good one to look into but I would like more info.

7. Bellevue: This one has a good reputation over the years. Good area. Prepares you well. Website had some excellent info claiming lots of implants as many as 500 were placed in a year. Lots of perio surgery; flaps, crown lengthening. They do at least 6 anterior and 6 molar endo cases. These all sound great but would love some first hand info on the program.

Other programs:
Brookdale: heard this is like a 5th year of dental school and to stay away.
Woodhull: heard good things lots of experience well rounded. but kind of like a workshop. long hours. little supervision.
Northshore LIJ: excellent program. implant placement is done here.
Lutheran AEGD: another excellent program involving implant placement.
Interfaith: has been really awful in the past with evil OMFS attendings but they left and the new director is improving the program. may be worth a visit.

That basically covers all I know. Hope this helps out someone. And hope someone can help me out with their knowledge 🙂.

Enough with the urban legends and misinformation. Kings County location is not what any native New Yorker would call decent. Flak jacket required at night. Monte has 65 GPR's and experience is location driven, they have 5 different clinics...some better than others. Interfaith is completely revamped with a new chairman and staff as well as facilities...the conclusion is still out. Sinai clinic is off campus, so not really a hospital experience, but chairman/PD is well respected. And if you are looking for top location, not Sinai....Cornell and Manhattan VA. Wyckoff also has a new staff. GPR PD new to field. Bellevue GPR is old Coler-Goldwater crew that moved over when clinic there closed. Examine Woodhull resident to chair ratio and ask about PD supervision.

Just saying. Urban legends.
You are missing some well run places:
St Barnabas
North Shore
Jacobi
NY Hosp Queens
Queens General

New to NYC area:
Winthrop
Coney Island
Not sure about either of these as too new.

Judging programs on how many implants placed is not a good metric. 20 does not make competency by any stretch, and without the concurrent ability to bone graft and sinus lift, almost useless. And multiple placements should be sedated. That's what we have OMFS for, among other things.
See where the programs draw from. Local only means no one really goes for the training, they need a license. National class means people who don't need to, come there to learn and be part of something great.

One small gem that was overlooked was Jamaica Hopsital . It is a small trauma 1 hospital with a active attending faculty eager to see residents success. It promotes the competent clinician and allow for many to dabble in specialities.
On the average each resident sees 12-15 pt per day and works hands on with each speciality. OMS is amazzzing, and the peds is a good mix of behavior management. There is a dental anesthesiologist at the GPR director who has had a lot of experiences with Brooklyn and Queens hospital programs. He is great to work with.

 

[setdoc7]

One small gem that was overlooked was Jamaica Hopsital . It is a small trauma 1 hospital with a active attending faculty eager to see residents success. It promotes the competent clinician and allow for many to dabble in specialities.
On the average each resident sees 12-15 pt per day and works hands on with each speciality. OMS is amazzzing, and the peds is a good mix of behavior management. There is a dental anesthesiologist at the GPR director who has had a lot of experiences with Brooklyn and Queens hospital programs. He is great to work with.

15 patients a day sounds like an awful lot for an 8 hour tour. I am not sure I could do any meaningful molar endo or large prosthetic reconstruction in under a half an hour. Quality dentistry does not equal run and gun. Perhaps your numbers are wrong.

 

[vicsin]

Wanted to update in case any future applicants read this:
Upon interviewing I learned a lot more about these programs.
-Kings County is definitely a great program but the location not so much- very scary area in Crown Heights not the safest.
-Lutheran residents often have late clinic hours (sometimes 12 hour shift 2 days a week) rotating to off site clinics. This wasn't a huge complaint though because the residents liked the overall experience. Most residents get to experience 1 or 2 implant placements.
-Wyckoff residents see many patients a day and can be too hectic sometimes unless your goal is to get really fast. The strongest experience is probably their OS and pedo they even get to see patients in the OR (pedo+ special needs). Some people really disliked certain attendings. Handful of endo. Not much fixed. Location is right off the Dekalb L train stop so if you want to live in Williamsburg BK its a good spot.
-Mt. Sinai clinical experience was strong. It is actually an offsite clinic in Harlem where most dental work is done on a sliding fee scale (FQHC style). Lots of patients. Resident said they did a lot of fixed including multi unit bridges. Lots of endo as well. Clinic was busy and hectic but very nice looking with chairside assistants. The big negative of this program is the OS hospital rotation. I think they spent something like 12 weeks on rotations assisting OS surgeons - some of this time is spent doing actual extractions. Lots of weekend call. Busy busy busy. But the resident claimed the rotation was a good break from the clinic which could be a little overwhelming at times.
-Bellevue definitely had a lot of fixed and implant experience but they were lacking in everything else. They don't even do rotary endo. Program seemed very strange. They interview everyone who applies so the interview was kind of ridiculous. I felt like they just rushed everyone through. They probably just pick people based on class rank so I don't know how I feel about this program- rubbed me the wrong way.

The match process is definitely interesting, confusing and stressful. If anyone has further questions you can PM me and I'd be happy to answer what I can. Good luck to all.

 

[orthodental]

Did several interviews the in the past couple weeks.

Interfaith GPR- beautiful new clinic (looks like a nice private practice), really nice program directors. BUT...the 2 residents I talked too seemed unhappy with the program, mostly because its new, and they are still in the process of hiring new attendings and increasing the program size. Also, lots of onsite call, no 4-handed dentistry, no hygienist. Also, its non-match, which makes it hard to commit to. Might be a really good program next year, or in a couple years.

Wyckoff GPR- residents seemed super stressed. lots of call (5x per month i think), also on-site call. no 4-handed dentistry, no hygienists. lots of endo though. seemed kind of like dental school- have to present treatment plans to attendings, and you have to call your own patients a lot. Nice location though.

Brooklyn Hospital Center GPR- Smaller program (i think 6 GPR residents only), theres only GPR's and OMFS residents. No weekends, and less call time than other places. no hygienist, limited 4-handed dentistry. Residents seemed really happy, nice location in downtown Brookyln.

Lutheran GPR- big program, very fast paced, lots of residents, all specialties except OMFS. Big Lvl 1 trauma hospital, so you will see a lot of interesting cases. everyone has an assistant for 4-handed dentistry, and hygienists do your prophy's and SRPs. everyone was nice, residents seemed happy, though maybe overworked a bit.

Lutheran AEGD Lower Manhattan- the ADEA PASS website has some wrong information on this one...says there is 4 residents, but it turns out there is only ONE resident per year there. The director was kind of rude/aloof, which was a huge turn off. but, the one resident seemed to like the program. see only 8-10 patients per day, no specialists on site, any crown lengthening, implants, difficult endo gets referred out. seems like good program if you just want to coast through and get your license.

Methodist- haven't interviewed yet, but have only heard good things.

 

[autoclavemonkey]

Did several interviews the in the past couple weeks.

Interfaith GPR- beautiful new clinic (looks like a nice private practice), really nice program directors. BUT...the 2 residents I talked too seemed unhappy with the program, mostly because its new, and they are still in the process of hiring new attendings and increasing the program size. Also, lots of onsite call, no 4-handed dentistry, no hygienist. Also, its non-match, which makes it hard to commit to. Might be a really good program next year, or in a couple years.

Wyckoff GPR- residents seemed super stressed. lots of call (5x per month i think), also on-site call. no 4-handed dentistry, no hygienists. lots of endo though. seemed kind of like dental school- have to present treatment plans to attendings, and you have to call your own patients a lot. Nice location though.

Brooklyn Hospital Center GPR- Smaller program (i think 6 GPR residents only), theres only GPR's and OMFS residents. No weekends, and less call time than other places. no hygienist, limited 4-handed dentistry. Residents seemed really happy, nice location in downtown Brookyln.

Lutheran GPR- big program, very fast paced, lots of residents, all specialties except OMFS. Big Lvl 1 trauma hospital, so you will see a lot of interesting cases. everyone has an assistant for 4-handed dentistry, and hygienists do your prophy's and SRPs. everyone was nice, residents seemed happy, though maybe overworked a bit.

Lutheran AEGD Lower Manhattan- the ADEA PASS website has some wrong information on this one...says there is 4 residents, but it turns out there is only ONE resident per year there. The director was kind of rude/aloof, which was a huge turn off. but, the one resident seemed to like the program. see only 8-10 patients per day, no specialists on site, any crown lengthening, implants, difficult endo gets referred out. seems like good program if you just want to coast through and get your license.

Methodist- haven't interviewed yet, but have only heard good things.

Did you already receive an invitation from the Methodist?

 

[LaurenM]

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[Faux]

bump

any more current feedback?

 

[zagguru]

Bump. any recent feedback?

 

[wengerout]

Any updates on any of these programs, especially Mt. Sinai and the Manhattan VA?

 

[setdoc7]

I have posted the document I wrote 2 years ago regarding residency selection information for GPR's. It is fairly generic, and may give you some insight into choosing the programs you will apply to. I used to give this out at residency fairs instead of printed material about my program which could be easily found on our website. Now I just email it to students who visit my program. I suppose it is that time of year when it might help everyone applying this upcoming cycle. Comments to me personally will be answered.