GPR or 3 YEAR D-SCHOOL

[dilema]

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As an international student, Given a chance to do a GPR/AEGD or a 3 year long DDS , which would you accept??
the advance standing is so expensive. GPR is free
one way or the other which route would everyone be willing to take to get their license to practice in the United States????

all responses welcome!!!!!

 

[fineguy2o9]

I would do a GPR because I know that some states where you do a GPR you don't have to take a licensure exam. They will just give you the license and you may practice, but I don't know exactly how it works for international students though, but that is how it works for americans.

 

[monreal]

As an international student, Given a chance to do a GPR/AEGD or a 3 year long DDS , which would you accept??
the advance standing is so expensive. GPR is free
one way or the other which route would everyone be willing to take to get their license to practice in the United States????

all responses welcome!!!!!

I would do 2 years GPR, and get my license in many states (15??) without loans...finally your gonna work in ONE state!...Then after 5 years, 47 states become accesible ( license by credentials).

 

[rarm1]

I would do 2 years GPR, and get my license in many states (15??) without loans...finally your gonna work in ONE state!...Then after 5 years, 47 states become accesible ( license by credentials).

Hi,

I must comment on that.... many states still require a ADA-CODA degree... even after practicing in another state.

Here is a comment i send:
Hi
Unfortunately you probably will not like my opinion. Since hospital based GPR get funding through the federal government they are limited who will be covered. Graduates of non ADA-CODA programs wont allow the hospital the receive these funds... so many hospitals will not accept them. My hospital is included.
Some School/community center programs - AEGD dont get federal funding and will accept foreign grads (most in California and Florida).. here the pay is low... Graduate programs will accept but tuition is high.

Now for licensure.... many states will still demand that you graduate for an ADA-CODA school.

So, you must check the states where you may want to practice to help you make a decision.

Two for the 2-3 year programs or the entire four years... I feel it is easier/faster to start with the entire four years. I have heard of too many stories where it may take more than 2 years to be accepted to a special shorter program...... you could have been in and graduated from a four year program.

If i can be of more help... just call or email

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As you can see, it may be hard to get into a 2 year GPR.... I agree it can be done... supply and demand.

 

[monreal]

Thank you!

Hi,

I must comment on that.... many states still require a ADA-CODA degree... even after practicing in another state. ALL the states require a ADA-CODA degree. Most (all?) GPR's are ADA-CODA accredited. I Havent heard of any non-accredited GPR/AEGD. If you wanna say accredited DDS. Not all of them require that.

Here is a comment i send:
Hi
Unfortunately you probably will not like my opinion. Since hospital based GPR get funding through the federal government they are limited who will be covered. Graduates of non ADA-CODA programs wont allow the hospital the receive these funds... so many hospitals will not accept them. My hospital is included.
He said he is given a chance. I assumed he IS accepted in a GPR. I know its almost impossible for foreigner to do GPS (except in Ohio). First because of the foreign DDS. Second because of visa status!
Some School/community center programs - AEGD dont get federal funding and will accept foreign grads (most in California and Florida).. here the pay is low... Graduate programs will accept but tuition is high.
AEGD is a good alternative. Graduate programs are expensive but Advanced Standing is more expensive.

Now for licensure.... many states will still demand that you graduate for an ADA-CODA school.

So, you must check the states where you may want to practice to help you make a decision.
This is the best piece of advice if you know where you would like to practice, but as for most FTD's, me included, I dont have any preference.


Two for the 2-3 year programs or the entire four years... I feel it is easier/faster to start with the entire four years. I have heard of too many stories where it may take more than 2 years to be accepted to a special shorter program...... you could have been in and graduated from a four year program.
I applied to these 2 years programs and got accepted at my 1st choice without loosing time, and Im not alone in this situation. I'm so excited about it, but I still wanna take a shot trying to get in a graduate program. I know that (DDS then MSc) is the right guaranteed way, but I wanna save 2 years!

If i can be of more help... just call or email
I will, no kidding, you will be a great help for me. 😀
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As you can see, it may be hard to get into a 2 year GPR.... I agree it can be done... supply and demand.

 

[dilema]

what about clinical experience? what if you never practiced...will you still apply for the GPR?

 

[dilema]

Thank you for your time in replying to the post.
Will you still apply for the GPR if you had no clinical experience?

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

This is a list of options for graduates of non-CODA dental schools.​

US states that require (without exception) a CODA- accredited dental degree to practice:

1. Missouri
2. ...

States that will allow you to practice with 1 year of GPR/AEGD:

1. NYC
2. California
3. Virgina

States that will allow you to practice with 2 years of GPR/AEGD:

1. Texas
2. Tennessee
3. Mississippi
4. ....

States that will allow you to practice if you've completed a CODA accredited specialty program:

1. Texas
2.

Please add to this list as well as edit/modify any incorrect information. 👍 See if we can cover every state.

 

[hopekeepsmegoin]

people,people!!!!! Call me dumb..but pray tell me wat the GPR programme is!!!
I mean it sounds too good to be true....!!!!!!!!didnt know it existed....can someone send me a link so that i can check it out......🙂

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

people,people!!!!! Call me dumb..but pray tell me wat the GPR programme is!!!
I mean it sounds too good to be true....!!!!!!!!didnt know it existed....can someone send me a link so that i can check it out......🙂

GPR = General Practice Residency
Usually based in a Hospital setting and focuses more on minor oral surgery, dental implants, and sedation.

AEGD = Advanced Education in General Dentistry
Usually based at a dental school and focuses more on complex restorative and pros.

Check the PASS search engine to find programs. 👍

 

[rarm1]

First of all I want to thank you for your time.
Thanks for a prompt reply.
What if we are not sure about our clinical exposure, What if we are not sure about the American way of doing things... I know a cavity is a cavity everywhere. I have no clinical experience at all..Is it still ok to apply for a GPR/AEGD.
Thank You[/QUOTE]


First Let me answer above:

This is one reason I suggest going to dental school... and the 4 year program is best... I have been to many foreign countries, visiting dental schools, lecturing. In fact this week, I head to Brazil and will be giving seminars in Rio.

Each country has a different system of education. Many schools teach you the basics in school then you must go and do a hands on after graduation… very much like our medical system. But, the dental system of education gives clinic experience in the USA.
Before graduation, each student must do so many crowns, bridges, restoration, extractions, etc. They have over 2 years of clinical experience. Even then, it has been recommended by the Institute of Medicine, the Amer Dental Educators Assoc, and others that we require at least one year of residency.

A residency – GPR – AEGD – is set up to improving skills, picking up speed and confidence. They are not set up to teach basic dentistry. They do not watch over you like in dental school. If you are honest with the programs… no one would accept you with “no clinical experience”… If you are not honest, and they see you have “no clinical experience”… they will bring you up for dismissal and not have you learned what you should have in dental school. This negative may ruin your career.

I know it seems like so much additional work, but the education systems are different.
The advanced programs for foreign students are really set up for students who have had clinical experience and just need a tune up before practice here… the 3 year.. some more clinical. The system you were in of school then clinical has been found to be an excellent system for medicine… but the US is not set up for it.

 

[rarm1]

Hi
Some comments on the posts - I tried to bold and use green for my comments

Originally Posted by rarm1
Hi,

I must comment on that.... many states still require a ADA-CODA degree... even after practicing in another state. ALL the states require a ADA-CODA degree. Most (all?) G-R’s are ADA-CODA accredited. I Haven’t heard of any non-accredited GPR/AEGD. If you wanna say accredited DDS. Not all of them require that.
I ment an ADA-CODA accredited Dental School. And most states require that. Some have other ways to get licenses.
All GPR’s are not accredited… some set up programs and do not go through the accreditation system. Some are set up as apprenticeships for cheap labor… you must be careful. I have seen some of these advertise… “do a residency is our large group practice"

Unfortunately you probably will not like my opinion. Since hospital based GPR get funding through the federal government they are limited who will be covered. Graduates of non ADA-CODA programs wont allow the hospital the receive these funds... so many hospitals will not accept them. My hospital is included.
He said he is given a chance. I assumed he IS accepted in a GPR. I know its almost impossible for foreigner to do GPS (except in Ohio). First because of the foreign DDS. Second because of visa status!
I have learned never assume anything. And yes, VISA problems are one of the issues, medical students can get the special VISA that it hard for dental students to get. GME is another big issue… even if he has citizenship. The foreign degree also has problems as he later states – NO CLINICAL EXPERIENCE.(see my other post)

Some School/community center programs - AEGD dont get federal funding and will accept foreign grads (most in California and Florida)... here the pay is low... Graduate programs will accept but tuition is high.
AEGD is a good alternative. Graduate programs are expensive but Advanced Standing is more expensive.
AGREE

Now for licensure.... many states will still demand that you graduate for an ADA-CODA school.
So, you must check the states where you may want to practice to help you make a decision.
This is the best piece of advice if you know where you would like to practice, but as for most FTD's, me included, I dont have any preference.
AGREE


Two for the 2-3 year programs or the entire four years... I feel it is easier/faster to start with the entire four years. I have heard of too many stories where it may take more than 2 years to be accepted to a special shorter program...... you could have been in and graduated from a four year program.
I applied to these 2 years programs and got accepted at my 1st choice without loosing time, and Im not alone in this situation. I'm so excited about it, but I still wanna take a shot trying to get in a graduate program. I know that (DDS then MSc) is the right guaranteed way, but I wanna save 2 years!
CONGRATS – the 2 years is fastest and great programs… Unfortunately, many I have spoken to have told me of the difficulties of getting in. The Key may be the experience from the program you were in. Many foreign schools are as good if not better than US schools. The ADA has set up an accreditation process for them. None have gone through it yet… But in next few years they will. I believe the schools in Australia are the closest to being ready.

If i can be of more help... just call or email
I will, no kidding, you will be a great help for me.
I am always willing to help… by email or phone.
Good options are going to a residency fair like at the Greater NY Meeting, generally Sunday morning and speaking to many programs. Going to the Amer Dental Educational Assoc(ADEA ) – this year in Texas, and asks the schools with programs for foreign grads. Going to/calling individual programs.

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As you can see, it may be hard to get into a 2 year GPR.... I agree it can be done... supply and demand.

 

[rarm1]

This is a list of options for graduates of non-CODA dental schools.​

US states that require (without exception) a CODA- accredited dental degree to practice:

1. Missouri
2. ...

States that will allow you to practice with 1 year of GPR/AEGD:

1. NYC
2. California
3. Virgina

States that will allow you to practice with 2 years of GPR/AEGD:

1. Texas
2. Tennessee
3. Mississippi
4. ....

States that will allow you to practice if you've completed a CODA accredited specialty program:

1. Texas
2.

Please add to this list as well as edit/modify any incorrect information. 👍 See if we can cover every state.

This is a list of options for graduates of non-CODA dental schools.

US states that require (without exception) a CODA- accredited dental degree to practice:

1. Missouri
2. Delaware

States that will allow you to practice with 1 year of GPR/AEGD:

1. NYC
2. California
3. Virgina
4. Delaware – requires a residency (plus you need to graduate from a CODA accrediated school and take an exam.
States that will allow you to practice with 2 years of GPR/AEGD:

1. Texas
2. Tennessee
3. Mississippi
4. ....

States that will allow you to practice if you've completed a CODA accredited specialty program:

1. Texas
2.

Please add to this list as well as edit/modify any incorrect information. See if we can cover every state.
Yesterday 08:21 PM

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

This is a list of options for graduates of non-CODA dental schools.​

US states and Canadian provinces that require (without exception) a CODA- accredited dental degree to practice:

1. Missouri
2. Delaware (also requires 1yr GPR/AEGD)

States and Provinces that simply require an exam to obtain a license:
1. Minnesota
2. Nunavut Territory
3. Northwest Territories
4. Yukon Territory

States that will allow you to practice with 1 year of GPR/AEGD:

1. NYC
2. California
3. Virgina
4. Connecticut
5. Louisiana
6. Alaska
7. Arkansas
8. North Dakota
9. South Dakota
10. Vermont
11. Utah
12. West Virgina
13. Wyoming
14. Alberta
15. Maine


States that will allow you to practice with 2 years of GPR/AEGD:

1. Tennessee
2. Oregon
3. Mississippi
4. Washington
5. Maryland
6. Illinois
7. Georgia
8. Kansas
9. Colorado
10. Idaho
11. Michigan
12. New Hampsire
13. Ohio
14. Puerto Rico
15. Saskatchewan
16. Manitoba
17. Quebec
18. Newfoundland

States that will allow you to practice if you've completed a CODA accredited specialty program:

1. Texas
2. Tennessee
3. Oregon
4. Mississippi
5. Maryland
6. Illinois
7. Georgia
8. Arizona
9. Florida
10. Idaho
11. Massachusetts
12. Michigan
13. Nebraska
14. Montana
15. Nevada
16. New Hampsire
17. New Jersey
18. New Mexico
19. Oklahoma
20. Pennsylvania
21. Puerto Rico
22. British Columbia
21. Ontario
22. Nova Scotia
23. Newfoundland
24. Maine

Please add to this list as well as edit/modify any incorrect information. 👍 See if we can cover every state.

 

[DocSu]

Can someone shed some light on GPR/AEGD programs.
I imagine they are VERY competitive as many US trained graduates are also applying. How many places on average for the GPR/AEGD per school?
Do they look closely at NBDE scores?
Thanks in advance
Su

 

[BlueToothHunter]

This is a list of options for graduates of non-CODA dental schools.​

US states and Canadian provinces that require (without exception) a CODA- accredited dental degree to practice:

1. Missouri
2. Delaware (also requires 1yr GPR/AEGD)

States and Provinces that simply require an exam to obtain a license:
1. Minnesota
2. Nunavut Territory
3. Northwest Territories
4. Yukon Territory

States that will allow you to practice with 1 year of GPR/AEGD:

1. NYC
2. California
3. Virgina
4. Connecticut
5. Louisiana
6. Alaska
7. Arkansas
8. North Dakota
9. South Dakota
10. Vermont
11. Utah
12. West Virgina
13. Wyoming
14. Alberta
15. Maine


States that will allow you to practice with 2 years of GPR/AEGD:

1. Tennessee
2. Oregon
3. Mississippi
4. Washington
5. Maryland
6. Illinois
7. Georgia
8. Kansas
9. Colorado
10. Idaho
11. Michigan
12. New Hampsire
13. Ohio
14. Puerto Rico
15. Saskatchewan
16. Manitoba
17. Quebec
18. Newfoundland

States that will allow you to practice if you've completed a CODA accredited specialty program:

1. Texas
2. Tennessee
3. Oregon
4. Mississippi
5. Maryland
6. Illinois
7. Georgia
8. Arizona
9. Florida
10. Idaho
11. Massachusetts
12. Michigan
13. Nebraska
14. Montana
15. Nevada
16. New Hampsire
17. New Jersey
18. New Mexico
19. Oklahoma
20. Pennsylvania
21. Puerto Rico
22. British Columbia
21. Ontario
22. Nova Scotia
23. Newfoundland
24. Maine

Please add to this list as well as edit/modify any incorrect information. 👍 See if we can cover every state.

Unfortunately, if you are a foreign dental graduate, I don't think GPR/AEGD alone would give you licensure in New York state. Check out:

If you completed a program of dental education in an unregistered and unaccredited foreign dental school, you must complete not less than two academic years of study satisfactory to the Department in a registered or accredited dental school program including such subjects as may be necessary for certification by such registered or accredited school that you have achieved the level of knowledge and clinical proficiency expected of a graduate of the school. If you have questions about acceptable programs, contact the New York State Board for Dentistry by e-mail at [email protected], by phone at 518-474-3817 ext. 550 or by fax at 518-473-6995.

Licensure by credential is NOT available to graduates of non-ADA/CDA accredited dental schools. If you somehow achieve a dental licensure through GPR/AEGD route in a state (e.g. Washington or Virginia), then you can only practice within that state. You won't be able to apply for another dental license via reciprocity.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Unfortunately, if you are a foreign dental graduate, I don't think GPR/AEGD alone would give you licensure in New York state. Check out:

If you completed a program of dental education in an unregistered and unaccredited foreign dental school, you must complete not less than two academic years of study satisfactory to the Department in a registered or accredited dental school program including such subjects as may be necessary for certification by such registered or accredited school that you have achieved the level of knowledge and clinical proficiency expected of a graduate of the school. If you have questions about acceptable programs, contact the New York State Board for Dentistry by e-mail at [email protected], by phone at 518-474-3817 ext. 550 or by fax at 518-473-6995.

Don’t you just love vague legal language? 😀

Basically its saying that as long as you’ve completed at least 2 years of “study” at a CODA accredited school ( I don't see why this couldn't be in the form of a GPR or AEGD), and if you can get them to sign something stating that you.. as a graduate of a 2-year accredited GPR/AEGD are “at least” up to the same clinical standard as a first year graduate of their dental school. (which you should be I would hope)… then you should be able to get a NY dental license. 👍

If you somehow achieve a dental licensure through GPR/AEGD route in a state (e.g. Washington or Virginia), then you can only practice within that state. You won't be able to apply for another dental license via reciprocity.

I think most are aware of this, we are simply trying to make a list of the states that you would be able to work in though completion of 1-2 years of GPR/AEGD. So those people would be aware of where they could and could not go.

 

[monreal]

I think most are aware of this, we are simply trying to make a list of the states that you would be able to work in though completion of 1-2 years of GPR/AEGD. So those people would be aware of where they could and could not go.

Yea most! coz I was not. It's better to contact some state boards though.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

If you somehow achieve a dental licensure through GPR/AEGD route in a state, then you can only practice within that state. You won't be able to apply for another dental license via reciprocity.

Actually... That is only if you want to obtain a license in a state that requires (without exception) graduation from a CODA approved school.

If you complete a 2 year GPR and obtain a US state license in a state that allows this, you CAN obtain a license in another US state as long as the state you're moving to doesn't state explicity in their requirements you must have a US/Canadian dental degree (like Missouri).

Most stipulate however that in order to be licensed through credentials you must have held an unrestricted license in good standing in another US state for a min of 5 years prior to application.

 

[thunderbolt]

Don’t you just love vague legal language? 😀

Basically its saying that as long as you’ve completed at least 2 years of “study” at a CODA accredited school ( I don't see why this couldn't be in the form of a GPR or AEGD), and if you can get them to sign something stating that you.. as a graduate of a 2-year accredited GPR/AEGD are “at least” up to the same clinical standard as a first year graduate of their dental school. (which you should be I would hope)… then you should be able to get a NY dental license. 👍




I think most are aware of this, we are simply trying to make a list of the states that you would be able to work in though completion of 1-2 years of GPR/AEGD. So those people would be aware of where they could and could not go.

Perfect and thanks for the info.

 

[dilema]

what about the amout of clinical exposure we have had in our respective countries??? dental students here are tought almost everything from molar root canals to implants....
when we start the GPR and asked to do all this and we have no clue about it...what happens...they fire us...won't they???
so is'nt it better to do the 3 year DDS???

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

what about the amout of clinical exposure we have had in our respective countries??? dental students here are tought almost everything from molar root canals to implants....
when we start the GPR and asked to do all this and we have no clue about it...what happens...they fire us...won't they???
so is'nt it better to do the 3 year DDS???

This is probably the main reason you should be choosing to apply for advance standing in a CODA dental school over doing a GPR/AEGD.

GPR and AEGD programs are a lot of responsibility and only really suited for those who have enough experience already to handle them.

Good Luck! 👍

 

[bzdoc]

Help!!!!

I would be willing to move any where just to practice dentistry!!!!! I read that you said that in Minnesota if you pass an exam you can practice?? what exam? What do you have to do after you passed it to practice. Please help me!!!!!

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Help!!!!

I would be willing to move any where just to practice dentistry!!!!! I read that you said that in Minnesota if you pass an exam you can practice?? what exam? What do you have to do after you passed it to practice. Please help me!!!!!

Why don't you start by contacting the state board of dentistry.

http://www.dentalboard.state.mn.us/

 

[Mandok]

Hi,

Can someone help me with my query? I am an australian trained dentist looking to work in USA. See my post: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/australian-dentist-working-in-usa.1129858/