GPRs with Implant Experience

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Hey everyone,

I'm thinking of applying to a GPR that has a strong focus on implant placement along with solid exposure to OS and Endo. I've combed through the forums and it looks as though a majority of docs who've gone through GPRs found it helpful in practicing a wider scope of dentistry, confidently. With that said, these are the following programs I've heard good things about in terms of residents getting solid implant experience:

Albert Einstein in Philly
VA San Francisco
VA Long Beach
VA Palo Alto
VA Mare Island
Kings County Hospital
Medical College of Georgia

Does anyone know anything about the GPRs listed below?
Cedars-Sinai
Montefiore
Mount Sinai
USC
VA San Diego
Christiana Care

I'm sure there are many more implant-emphasized GPRs out there, if you can suggest any please let me know!


My situation
I've been doing OK in school but I'm probably not in the top half, haven't gotten class ranking updates yet. Class averages at my school are pretty high and so getting a 3.0 is quite challenging but doable. Needless to say I'm working hard to bring up my overall grades. Boards will be P/NP for me when it comes time for me to take them, so with all that said is it possible for me to be a competitive applicant even if I'm not in the top half of my class? I know each program may look for different things but generally speaking will they screen out an applicant if they don't have an extraordinary GPA/class ranking?


I was looking at the statistics and it looks like based on these numbers a majority of GPR applicants don't get placed into residency, pretty scary stuff! https://www.ada.org/sections/professionalResources/pdfs/survey_advanced_ed.pdf

Sorry about all the questions, if any upper classmen, residents, or practicing docs can shed some light on this it would mean a lot! 🙂

 

[Mackchops]

Montefiore is hit or miss from what I understand? There are multiple locations and depending on which one you're assigned to will determine what you do.

Mt Sinai doesn't place any or so I've heard.

VA hospitals are typically a good bet. I'm doing a 2-year at a VA and I'm supposed to place somewhere around 30 or so by the time I'm done -- not a huge amount, but I also get to do my own augmentations and restorations. A more complete implant "experience" in my opinion. So, I wouldn't be as concerned about the number of implants you get to place, but make sure you get continuity of care -- you want to see a case through from treatment plan to integration if you can.

 

[HupHolland]

A few of my classmates will be doing their residency and Palo Alto VA and San Diego VA. From what I've heard, they don't place implants, just restore.

Baltimore VA places a lot of implants. However, they have a strong bias for Maryland grads (all 6 of their residents for upcoming class are Maryland grads).

Also, I don't believe Christiana Care residents place implants as they have a OMS program that does them.

As far as grades/board scores.. my opinion: these things aren't super important for GPR/AEGD; letters of rec are far more important. I will be graduating with a GPA below 3.5 and board scores in the low 80s. I received many interviews from what people consider "competitive" programs, and matched at my top choice (2 resident VA AEGD). Great LORs/personality & so-so gpa trumps so-so LOR/personality & great gpa.

Good luck!
Hup

 

[zriceman]

A few of my classmates will be doing their residency and Palo Alto VA and San Diego VA. From what I've heard, they don't place implants, just restore.

Baltimore VA places a lot of implants. However, they have a strong bias for Maryland grads (all 6 of their residents for upcoming class are Maryland grads).

Also, I don't believe Christiana Care residents place implants as they have a OMS program that does them.

As far as grades/board scores.. my opinion: these things aren't super important for GPR/AEGD; letters of rec are far more important. I will be graduating with a GPA below 3.5 and board scores in the low 80s. I received many interviews from what people consider "competitive" programs, and matched at my top choice (2 resident VA AEGD). Great LORs/personality & so-so gpa trumps so-so LOR/personality & great gpa.

Good luck!
Hup

Do you know what your class rank was when you applied to aegd?

 

[HupHolland]

around 50%

 

[yayforcoffee]

Happy Sunday all,

Switchboard I'm in the same position as you and have also been doing some research. Been compiling a list of programs that I want to look further into, and a few names you didn't mention include:

- Palmetto Health, SC
- San Antonio VA AEGD program
- UF Jacksonville
- Carolinas Med Center, Charlotte

I haven't done anything besides write down names of programs, so unfortunately I can't say anything further about them yet. Does anyone out there have any further input? This is a great thread!

-coffee

 

[Mackchops]

I heard Carolinas was great, but I'm pretty sure it's a two year. Just make sure you check if you're not interested in that kind of time committment 🙂

 

[HupHolland]

Happy Sunday all,

Switchboard I'm in the same position as you and have also been doing some research. Been compiling a list of programs that I want to look further into, and a few names you didn't mention include:

- Palmetto Health, SC
- San Antonio VA AEGD program
- UF Jacksonville
- Carolinas Med Center, Charlotte

I haven't done anything besides write down names of programs, so unfortunately I can't say anything further about them yet. Does anyone out there have any further input? This is a great thread!

-coffee

UF Jacksonville doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Romas]

Baltimore VA places a lot of implants. However, they have a strong bias for Maryland grads (all 6 of their residents for upcoming class are Maryland grads).

Hup

The Baltimore VA is right across from the dental school - prob helps Maryland grads get more familiar with the gpr clinics and have maybe an "in" on applying. or maybe makes it more attractive in general to them.

 

[Romas]

Hey everyone,

I'm thinking of applying to a GPR that has a strong focus on implant placement along with solid exposure to OS and Endo. I've combed through the forums and it looks as though a majority of docs who've gone through GPRs found it helpful in practicing a wider scope of dentistry, confidently. With that said, these are the following programs I've heard good things about in terms of residents getting solid implant experience:

Albert Einstein in Philly
VA San Francisco
VA Long Beach
VA Palo Alto
VA Mare Island
Kings County Hospital
Medical College of Georgia

Does anyone know anything about the GPRs listed below?
Cedars-Sinai
Montefiore
Mount Sinai
USC
VA San Diego
Christiana Care

I'm sure there are many more implant-emphasized GPRs out there, if you can suggest any please let me know!


My situation
I've been doing OK in school but I'm probably not in the top half, haven't gotten class ranking updates yet. Class averages at my school are pretty high and so getting a 3.0 is quite challenging but doable. Needless to say I'm working hard to bring up my overall grades. Boards will be P/NP for me when it comes time for me to take them, so with all that said is it possible for me to be a competitive applicant even if I'm not in the top half of my class? I know each program may look for different things but generally speaking will they screen out an applicant if they don't have an extraordinary GPA/class ranking?


I was looking at the statistics and it looks like based on these numbers a majority of GPR applicants don't get placed into residency, pretty scary stuff! https://www.ada.org/sections/professionalResources/pdfs/survey_advanced_ed.pdf

Sorry about all the questions, if any upper classmen, residents, or practicing docs can shed some light on this it would mean a lot! 🙂

Mount Sinai is honestly a crappy program. Tons of people from my school interview at and match to NYC programs, and that one always comes up for being underwhelming and for the facilities being horrible. One of the attendings there also moonlights at our school, and while she's a super successful dentist, she's not exactly what I would call a brilliant doctor to learn from.

Albert Einstein is at a Level 1 trauma center, so be ready to sleep in a bunk bed in their on call room very often. The program director there is also super strict, and the rules make it feel like a fifth year of d-school. I know people that externed there and had to apologize to the attendings and staff for being 5 min. late in the mornings. And that's just to shadow people all day. Imagine what it's like for the residents! Also, the location is pretty terrible, but easy to commute to from very nice parts of Philadelphia. Plus, their Endo program is unreal, so if you're interested in Endo afterwards, cozying up to these guys would be ideal. overall a solid program that will throw you into many challenging situations, but grueling in terms of hours and rules.

One of my friends also applied to Kings County Hospital, got an interview, but walked out right after walking in - the location and hospital were that ghetto. otherwise, i have no other input on the program itself.

 

[rtj2103]

Small update on VA SF (or VA hospitals in general)

Due to issues of sterilization, VA hospitals need to convert to disposable drill systems. This will severely limit the implant options available in the near future.

Prior, we used to place Ankylos, Bicon, Nobel, Astra, and 3i. Now we will only be placing Astra and Nobel.

For the 2010-2011 year, residents will still be able to place Bicon (to use up our stock) but the remainder will be Nobel and Astra.

 

[setdoc7]

We interviewed a resident from Denver last year for Pedo. She claimed to have placed over 20 implants.

 

[PulpyTooth]

Hey everyone,

I'm thinking of applying to a GPR that has a strong focus on implant placement along with solid exposure to OS and Endo. I've combed through the forums and it looks as though a majority of docs who've gone through GPRs found it helpful in practicing a wider scope of dentistry, confidently. With that said, these are the following programs I've heard good things about in terms of residents getting solid implant experience:

Albert Einstein in Philly
VA San Francisco
VA Long Beach
VA Palo Alto
VA Mare Island
Kings County Hospital
Medical College of Georgia

Does anyone know anything about the GPRs listed below?
Cedars-Sinai
Montefiore
Mount Sinai
USC
VA San Diego
Christiana Care

I'm sure there are many more implant-emphasized GPRs out there, if you can suggest any please let me know!


My situation
I've been doing OK in school but I'm probably not in the top half, haven't gotten class ranking updates yet. Class averages at my school are pretty high and so getting a 3.0 is quite challenging but doable. Needless to say I'm working hard to bring up my overall grades. Boards will be P/NP for me when it comes time for me to take them, so with all that said is it possible for me to be a competitive applicant even if I'm not in the top half of my class? I know each program may look for different things but generally speaking will they screen out an applicant if they don't have an extraordinary GPA/class ranking?


I was looking at the statistics and it looks like based on these numbers a majority of GPR applicants don't get placed into residency, pretty scary stuff! https://www.ada.org/sections/professionalResources/pdfs/survey_advanced_ed.pdf

Sorry about all the questions, if any upper classmen, residents, or practicing docs can shed some light on this it would mean a lot! 🙂

For Cristiana Care, try PM-ing rarm1, I believe he's the director. From his good advice on SDN, he seems like a really cool director to work under. The program is Non Match too.

 

[PulpyTooth]

Albert Einstein is at a Level 1 trauma center, so be ready to sleep in a bunk bed in their on call room very often. The program director there is also super strict, and the rules make it feel like a fifth year of d-school. I know people that externed there and had to apologize to the attendings and staff for being 5 min. late in the mornings. And that's just to shadow people all day. Imagine what it's like for the residents! Also, the location is pretty terrible, but easy to commute to from very nice parts of Philadelphia. Plus, their Endo program is unreal, so if you're interested in Endo afterwards, cozying up to these guys would be ideal. overall a solid program that will throw you into many challenging situations, but grueling in terms of hours and rules.

Whoa. sounds intense. but do you know if the Albert Einstein program has good endo exposure for the GPR?

 

[Romas]

Whoa. sounds intense. but do you know if the Albert Einstein program has good endo exposure for the GPR?

Not sure, but I know many past residents and they all mentioned that they learned a ton. I would assume they do quite a lot since the Endo program only has a couple of residents.

They definitely place and restore implants there, and will do complicated fixed prosth cases.

 

[PulpyTooth]

Not sure, but I know many past residents and they all mentioned that they learned a ton. I would assume they do quite a lot since the Endo program only has a couple of residents.

They definitely place and restore implants there, and will do complicated fixed prosth cases.

Oh okay thanks for the info Romas! Also, do you know if it's competitive to get into Albert Einstein for their GPR?

 

[Romas]

We interviewed a resident from Denver last year for Pedo. She claimed to have placed over 20 implants.

Denver General? or the VA? Thanks for the advice!

 

[setdoc7]

Denver General

 

[rarm1]

For Cristiana Care, try PM-ing rarm1, I believe he's the director. From his good advice on SDN, he seems like a really cool director to work under. The program is Non Match too.

Hello,

Our program has a lot of implants - treatment planning, theory, and pros portion - but little placement do to the OMS residency program... I still think it is very good... and will probably get stronger - the new acting director runs the implant program

 

[usckk]

Albert Einstein is at a Level 1 trauma center, so be ready to sleep in a bunk bed in their on call room very often. The program director there is also super strict, and the rules make it feel like a fifth year of d-school. I know people that externed there and had to apologize to the attendings and staff for being 5 min. late in the mornings. And that's just to shadow people all day. Imagine what it's like for the residents! Also, the location is pretty terrible, but easy to commute to from very nice parts of Philadelphia. Plus, their Endo program is unreal, so if you're interested in Endo afterwards, cozying up to these guys would be ideal. overall a solid program that will throw you into many challenging situations, but grueling in terms of hours and rules.

I would say the above comments are very true but much more. The program director IS "super strict"-- unreasonably strict. The residents were treated unfairly and without respect.

The "strictness" maybe okay if one were to motivate or elevate the residents knowledge and clinical skills. But the things the program director was "strict" about were insignificant to dentistry. There were so much that the residents had to endear that anyone from the outside would view as excessive and unreasonable--and can be viewed a tortuous. For instance, residents are required to send "thank you" replies to all texts and emails sent related to the program. Considering there are 10 residents and two faculty, one would expect to receive 12 texts messages, at a minimum, a night in regard to a single text about the next day's lecture location plus many more thru email and other texts about other things. If a resident were to not reply, we would get a very scathing text or email about it and hear from her the next day.

There are much more to the program that I cannot openly share. But in general, it was hard for me and other residents to go thru a full year at the program. There are several Penn dental students that extern as part of their dental school curriculum that can also attest to the psychological distress the residents must go thru.

It's important to note that the other faculty there are great! But it was hard for us to appreciate because the program director has her hands on everything.

 

[DaleDoback]

I would say the above comments are very true but much more. The program director IS "super strict"-- unreasonably strict. The residents were treated unfairly and without respect.

The "strictness" maybe okay if one were to motivate or elevate the residents knowledge and clinical skills. But the things the program director was "strict" about were insignificant to dentistry. There were so much that the residents had to endear that anyone from the outside would view as excessive and unreasonable--and can be viewed a tortuous. For instance, residents are required to send "thank you" replies to all texts and emails sent related to the program. Considering there are 10 residents and two faculty, one would expect to receive 12 texts messages, at a minimum, a night in regard to a single text about the next day's lecture location plus many more thru email and other texts about other things. If a resident were to not reply, we would get a very scathing text or email about it and hear from her the next day.

There are much more to the program that I cannot openly share. But in general, it was hard for me and other residents to go thru a full year at the program. There are several Penn dental students that extern as part of their dental school curriculum that can also attest to the psychological distress the residents must go thru.

It's important to note that the other faculty there are great! But it was hard for us to appreciate because the program director has her hands on everything.

I truly laughed out loud when I read this. Psychological distress from responding to emails? Man, you couldn't imagine a real hospital residency like OMS or any surgical profession. Another example of how everyone wants to pretend to be a surgeon and do "surgery", but doesn't want to put in the work.

 

[Victoria1999]

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