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i have a question for you guys,
when you whine about grade inflation and say that your school doesnt have it, what do you mean? is the average gpa a 2.0 at your school? wouldnt anything above that imply grade inflation, or do i not understand how this works? i was just curious because it always seemed to come from people with low gpas.
 
Originally posted by dookbloo
i was just curious because it always seemed to come from people with low gpas.

Well, of course! Nobody with a high GPA wants to believe their GPA came from grade inflation instead of hard work and aptitude, no matter how true this may be.

That said, I've been told that my school has a reputation for having very little grade inflation, especially in comparison to some other schools (*cough*Harvard*cough*). I'm not sure what the average GPA is, but I've heard that med schools tend to give us a GPA boost.
 
Originally posted by PianoGirl04
Well, of course! Nobody with a high GPA wants to believe their GPA came from grade inflation instead of hard work and aptitude, no matter how true this may be.

That said, I've been told that my school has a reputation for having very little grade inflation, especially in comparison to some other schools (*cough*Harvard*cough*). I'm not sure what the average GPA is, but I've heard that med schools tend to give us a GPA boost.

Chances are, everyone else attending a top tier univeristy or liberal arts college could say the same thing. What really matters here is how the adcoms perceive it...and do they use a system to adjust for grade inflation (e.g. adding points to to the GPAs of students from "grade deflated" schools and subtracting points from the GPAs earned at "grade inflated" schools). Boalt Hall (the law school at UC Berkeley) actually did this and released a "Grade Inflation Survey." They also released the information which SUPPORTED their system in order to level the playing the field so a 3.5 from MIT (and even that is pretty hard to earn) can compete with a 4.0 from California State University-Dominguez Hills. Then...they immediately had to deal with a lawsuit from Howard University (ranked VERY high in terms of grade inflation)...and the idiots from Howard said that Boalt Hall was "discriminating" against URMs that attend state schools and private schools like Howard. 🙄
 
Here is one example of how schools adjust for grade inflation:

http://www.architrave.net/college/gradeadj.htm

The least grade inflation is at schools like: Carlton, UChicago, Colgate, Cornell, Duke, Dartmouth, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Williams
 
you forgot to include harvard on that list for LEAST grade inflation.
 
Yeah, youre right. Probably missed a couple others as well, the list is there though.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
Yeah, youre right. Probably missed a couple others as well, the list is there though.

Gleevac, In looking at your name, i never really thought much about it until now. Do you have a cousin named Gemzar?
 
gemcitabine operates by a completely different mechanism, so yeah, i guess "I" have several dozen "cousins" based on your analogy. 😉
 
Having attended both a good school (UChicago) and many so-so universities, I have concluded that students that go to state schools, etc. have no clue how easy they have it. As an undergraduate at UChicago, it was laughable to think of having a multiple-choice exam. There is no comparison in the quality of education, and the expectations are much higher at better schools. Moreover, it is necessary to have some degree of grade inflation. Now without over generalization, I posit that many (if not most, but not all) students at higher tier universities would excel at local state or private lower tier schools. How do I know this? Well my grades at U of C were based on the average raw score of an exam receiving a C+ to B-, and a standard deviation or so above that average raw score would give you a high B or perhaps an A. Therefore, grades were based upon somewhat of a competition, although at some points professors would give A's to those who deserved them despite the class structure, and the competition was between high caliber students. Therefore, a "B" student at an upper tier school should be equivalent or better than a top student at a lower school (on average of course). In other words, I am much more impressed by a student from Harvard with a 3.5 GPA than a student from Texas Tech with a 4.0. These trends are reflected in the admissions process and rightfully so. It's a fact of life and anyone who says otherwise is plain naive. Of course there are always exceptions, and many good students at all schools, but statistics are only as good as their population sample.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
Here is one example of how schools adjust for grade inflation:

http://www.architrave.net/college/gradeadj.htm

The least grade inflation is at schools like: Carlton, UChicago, Colgate, Cornell, Duke, Dartmouth, Hopkins, Swarthmore, Williams

Is that more a "more competitive" ranking instead of a "less grade inflation" ranking? I see schools with extremely high average GPA's in the "add GPA points" category. granted they have excellent students, but I really dont think this chart tells about grade inflation, more like difficulty to get into
 
I agree with Hutch. I saw Georgetown on there as a school that supposedly needs to have GPA points added but I heard it has one of the worst cases of GPA inflation anywhere. Someone I know went there and he said you basically couldn't get below a B unless you were absolutely doing no work in your class and you'd get an A as long as you were giving some level of effort.

I even did a search online to see if his claims were true and sure enough, someone had written an article about how the average grades students get a Georgetown has increased dramatically.

One of the lines from the article reads: "A March 1999 Georgetown Independent article cites a 68 percent increase in the number of A?s received between 1984 and 1998."

http://www.thehoya.com/news/020802/news5.cfm

Alexander
 
That's true...I guess it's not too much of a stretch to believe that the schools that get GPA points added and the schools that have the least grade inflation are not exactly the same set. Either way, it's interesting to look at this list. In a way, it seems more like an index of the prestige of these schools than an index of grade inflation. I would have thought the UC schools and some others might get grade points added, but apparently they don't.
 
At my school, my sophomore year the avg GPA nosed itself above a 3.0. The faculty were assembled by the president and told to make sure that it went back down to a reasonable level....
 
i understand those who whine about grade inflation (or the lack thereof)......i've attended both types of schools..the tough school with crappy grades and the school with grade inflation. there is definitely a distinct advantage of taking the state school approach and the kids there don't usually understand how easy they have it. i used to whine about grades myself, but now i believe that regardless of you institution, you work hard and you will perform fine relative to your classmates. i think ADCOMS are more forgiving of the tougher schools, but not as much as i believe they should be. in my case, tough school gpa = 2.8, state school = 4.0.....although i did work harder the second time around, i know it would have been impossible to get a 4.0 at my previous school. BOTTOM LINE......going to an upper-tier school is a challenge and people know it....do your work and you'll be fine....know your 3.4 gpa is better than a state 3.8gpa and stop complaining
 
The reports of easy grading at Harvard are, I think, a bit exaggerated. Compare Harvard and MIT, for example. The received wisdom seems to be that Harvard has cushy grading, while MIT is a bastion of rigor and no-nonsense, tough grading. Recent information suggests this might not be so true ? at least where pre-meds are involved.

At MIT, the average MCAT score for students accepted to medical school in 2002 was 32.95; the mean GPA of this group was 3.70. At Harvard, the average MCAT score for the Class of 2002 students accepted to medical school was 34.7; the mean GPA for this group was 3.57. In other words, pre-med students with a 3.6 average from Harvard outperform pre-med students with a 3.7 average from MIT .

Sources:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=349042
http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/org/c/career/www/infostats/preprof.html
 
Originally posted by ventricle
The reports of easy grading at Harvard are, I think, a bit exaggerated. Compare Harvard and MIT, for example. The received wisdom seems to be that Harvard has cushy grading, while MIT is a bastion of rigor and no-nonsense, tough grading. Recent information suggests this might not be so true ? at least where pre-meds are involved.

At MIT, the average MCAT score for students accepted to medical school in 2002 was 32.95; the mean GPA of this group was 3.70. At Harvard, the average MCAT score for the Class of 2002 students accepted to medical school was 34.7; the mean GPA for this group was 3.57. In other words, pre-med students with a 3.6 average from Harvard outperform pre-med students with a 3.7 average from MIT .

Sources:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=349042
http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/org/c/career/www/infostats/preprof.html

This info is not useful in grade inflation data however, as you bias for those who are accepted. MIT's site provides an avg GPA for all applicants, while Harvard does not.
 
I think you have to look at a student's major as well in this arguement. At my school, a student with a 3.5 in Communication is somewhat average, while a student with a 3.5 in Chemical Engineering (one of our school's best programs....) is outstanding. Remember that just because someone didn't pay an arm and a leg for their undegraduate, doesn't automatically mean that they completely slacked off while they were in undergrad!
 
However, it may mean that they didn't learn to use spellcheck! Sorry, kids!
 
That's hilarious. UC Berkeley students constantly complain about lack of grade inflation at their school compared to schools like Stanford. This survey from our own school states the opposite. I guess it is time for us to stop bitchin'.
 
The problem with the way that UC B has adjusted for grade inflation is that they tie a schools inflation index to the average LSAT score from that school. The underlying assumption is that those who do well on the LSAT should also have high GPA's. That is, the LSAT score is used to form a baseline for GPA comparisons.

Accordingly, the methodolgy requires that a schools which produces a lot of mediocre LSAT scores (ie, some of the Cal State schools) should correlate to lower GPAs. To the extent that a student from Cal State scores 150 on the LSAT, his 4.0 GPA, then, must be a result of grade inflation (because, the assumption is that a student who scores only 150 on the LSAT will probably only have a 3.5 GPA, say). Hence, the Cal State GPA's are reduced to better reflect this assumption.

The question UC B (and everybody else) should be asking is if the LSAT score is going to be used to produce a baseline for GPA adjustments, why bother to require applicants to submit GPA data in the first place? The underlying assumption throughout the whole exercise is that the LSAT score is a better predictor of Law school suitability than GPA is (otherwise, how can they justify using it as a baseline for GPA adjustments).

Judd
 
That survey is screwed up. I am sorry but i haven't met anyone in WashU yet with a solid 4.0 (or a 3.9 for that matter) in any science major.

I think it has to do with how rigorous the school is. Everybody knows that MIT and Hopkins science courses are cut throat. WashU is the same way, science majors are put through hell.

I am not sure how Harvard and the rest are though.

On top of that we have all heard the stories of H/Y/P giving away 2 grades, one for in class and the other one on the transcprit.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
This info is not useful in grade inflation data however, as you bias for those who are accepted. MIT's site provides an avg GPA for all applicants, while Harvard does not.

No, it is useful. The sites also provide (as I did), the average GPA for accepted applicants: 3.57 for successful Harvard applicants, 3.7 for successful MIT applicants.
 
Tezzie, what do you mean by all Hopkins science courses are cut-throat?

I don't think so... 😕
 
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