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[itsnosolution]

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I recently read that some schools don't have grades/ranking in medical school. Anyone have a list of said schools?

 

[DermViser]

I recently read that some schools don't have grades/ranking in medical school. Anyone have a list of said schools?

ALL medical schools in the United States grade and thus rank medical students in some way which will then be transmitted to residency programs. There is no school that is "true" P/F all 4 years.

 

[goft20]

ALL medical schools in the United States grade and thus rank medical students in some way which will then be transmitted to residency programs. There is no school that is "true" P/F all 4 years.

^^this..except that being average in medical school is having like a 2.2 and having a 4.0 makes you cray cray.


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[DermViser]

^^this..except that being average in medical school is having like a 2.2 and having a 4.0 makes you cray cray.


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Depending on the medical school or how competitive your class is, average (50th percentile) is likely to be 3.0.

 

[goft20]

Depending on the medical school or how competitive your class is, average (50th percentile) is likely to be 3.0.

Really that high? Well they are cray cray.


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[DermViser]

Really that high? Well they are cray cray.


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Well if you get a 4.0 in one class and a 2.0 in another class (same hours) it's effectively a 3.0. That being said very few medical schools actually use letter grades. The do some form of P/F:

P/F
H/P/F
H/HP/P/F
H/HP/SP/MP/F

 

[itsnosolution]

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2002/10/17/johns-hopkins-medical-school-grading-changes/

this is what I meant. there is no class ranking. just pass/fail

oh and this, too (from HMS site)

1. All courses taken by first- and second-year Harvard medical students are graded satisfactory/unsatisfactory.

 

[SN12357]

I recently read that some schools don't have grades/ranking in medical school. Anyone have a list of said schools?

Many schools are pass-fail for the first two years. A solid fraction of those schools are 'true' pass-fail for the first two years, which means there's also no ranking for those grades. However, pretty much all schools have grades for third year, which is what really matters. Yale might be an exception.

Oh and in order to really be pass-fail there needs to be only two possible grades. H/HP/P/F systems are just grades with another name.

 

[Mad Jack]

ALL medical schools in the United States grade and thus rank medical students in some way which will then be transmitted to residency programs. There is no school that is "true" P/F all 4 years.

http://medicine.yale.edu/education/admissions/education/yalesystem.aspx

Yale is the only school I know of that is truly P/F with no class rank. The might be more that I am unfamiliar with.

 

[DermViser]

http://medicine.yale.edu/education/admissions/education/yalesystem.aspx

Yale is the only school I know of that is truly P/F with no class rank. The might be more that I am unfamiliar with.

Well apparently they do have H/P/F grading: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...n-medical-school.1079099/page-2#post-15352939

They may not class rank, but they might use MSPE code words: "Outstanding", "Excellent", "Very Good", "Good", etc.

 

[Mad Jack]

Well apparently they do have H/P/F grading: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...n-medical-school.1079099/page-2#post-15352939

They may not class rank, but they might use MSPE code words: "Outstanding", "Excellent", "Very Good", "Good", etc.

I can assure you, they do not use code words in the Dean's letter. Clerkships are H/P/F, but no rank is collected. Ranking just isn't the Yale way and is completely contrary to their philosophy of medical education.

 

[DermViser]

I can assure you, they do not use code words in the Dean's letter. Clerkships are H/P/F, but no rank is collected. Ranking just isn't the Yale way and is completely contrary to their philosophy of medical education.

You go to Yale, and have access to the MSPE?

 

[DermViser]

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2002/10/17/johns-hopkins-medical-school-grading-changes/

this is what I meant. there is no class ranking. just pass/fail

oh and this, too (from HMS site)

1. All courses taken by first- and second-year Harvard medical students are graded satisfactory/unsatisfactory.

Johns Hopkins may have P/F grading in the first 2 years but I believe they internally rank in those years. I do believe they have more intervals for MS-3 and aren't P/F those years.

HMS is definitely only "true" P/F in the first 2 years.

 

[Mad Jack]

You go to Yale, and have access to the MSPE?

I have known plenty of Yale medical students and professors over the years, and I've spoken with them at length about Yale's teaching philosophy, the upsides and downsides of Yale, how the students felt about the quality of their education, etc. The grading policy is very clear and was created to prevent students from being distracted by gunnery and other nonsense, which would negatively impact them psychologically and serve to distract them from their research. Yale is, by all personal accounts that I have heard, a great place to study medicine, and their grading policy is a large part of that.

 

[DermViser]

I have known plenty of Yale medical students and professors over the years, and I've spoken with them at length about Yale's teaching philosophy, the upsides and downsides of Yale, how the students felt about the quality of their education, etc. The grading policy is very clear and was created to prevent students from being distracted by gunnery and other nonsense, which would negatively impact them psychologically and serve to distract them from their research. Yale is, by all personal accounts that I have heard, a great place to study medicine, and their grading policy is a large part of that.

All schools say this about how "collaborative they are. The question I asked was whether you've seen their MSPE which tells if it ranks them in some way i.e. actual ordinal, rank, which "quartile" or segment of the class they fall in, histograms on grade distribution for each course, or using a "code word":

https://www.aamc.org/download/139542/data/mspe.pdf