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Discussion in 'General Residency Issues' started by doresident, Nov 22, 2005.
Not that it matters, but your rant might sound a bit more authoritative if you had correct terms. It's a transitional year, not a "traditional" year.
For DO's they have Traditional Rotating Internship.
You know, after I posted, I realized you were DO. I've been exposed as a fraud once again!
Heard about a remarkably similar experience at St. Joseph's Mercy Ann Arbor. Part of the same outfit. Saw it happen to a number of people. PD lied about work week, work hours, worked people 120 hours a week, 40 hours on call etc. Program fired 5 that I know about, three are out of medicine, altogether. Another 4 were directly threatened with termination, one went to Wisconsin. PD threatened to destroy the career of another one. Resident was a rad onc match, PD tried to fire him for saying bad things about the program to med students. Was the truth from where I sat. The whole thing ended up a big mess and he ended up losing his rad onc spot. Big stink, heard all kinds of rumors that the ACGME was looking into it. Another canned for "unprofessional conduct" was a bud, ended up going to another specialty in another state. Another med school friend went to another of their hospitals in Grand Rapids, and told me that their program directors go to a seminar on how to "punish" residents. I believe it.
This is a pattern with hospitals run by Trinity Health Michigan! Beware and heed the above advice. Also, be very careful, they have lied to credentialing agencies, made up probations that were never documented, false accusations of misconduct and reported them to licensing boards after you leave the program if you dare say anything bad about them.
This group is a definite stay away from group. I thought it was just a single hospital, but, there does appear to be a pattern.
**** 'em! Let all the DOs and FMGs go to these programs and hope only the hearty survive!
I'm an MD gonna-be, and I find this offensive. I'm sure that you don't care, but you need to learn some manners. From what I've seen in your other posts, it's a good thing that you are doing anasthesia -- NO OFFENSE TO OTHERS IN THE FIELD. It's just that I don't think that you would survive in a specialty where the patients were awake.
The take home message here is NEVER to tell "the truth" about your program to medstudents. Seriously, they don't believe it for a start, and they're sure to blab it around. Giving the lowdown to random medstudents helps no one and is sure to hurt you.
The take home message for medstudents is to not believe the crap that residents tell you about their program. (except maybe on an anonymous internet site )
I am at the same program as doresident and I cannot tell you how true it is..... We have all been threatened with our jobs and the DME has slim to no leadership skills. He will sell you on an idea during the interview.....basically tell you whatever you want to hear to get you to sign that contract. will bring you in, change everything that you thought you were getting yourself into, then expect you to play ball...... if you do not play ball he will fire you to make an example out of you. I also personally know the rad onc resident who was at st. joe's ann arbor. He did get a rad onc spot after having to sit out for one to two years while he pursued litigation against st. joe's and trinity health. Basically, the hospital and DME refused to certify that he completed a transitional year at the hospital and his rad onc spot could not accept him into the residency secondary to that. I have been personally threatened with the same type of thing from the DME here at Macomb. I thought about the possibility that the situation could have been the same here before signing the contract but I figured different programs = different mentalities. But unfortunately this is not the case. I would avoid ANY programs/residencies offered through Trinity Health and St. Joseph's Hospital. It is romper room time here and far to great a threat to your career. The DME i found has the nickname of being a "Used car salesman".... BUYER BEWARE!
I'm just wondering if you guys spoke with residents prior to signing... did the residents sell this program too?
I was in a similar situation but not as bad. Shortly after talking about working more than the allowed hours toward the end of my first month I was told my work was not up to standard and put on probation. Thirty days later the PD director gave me a choice of either resigning or being terminated. I admit that I had weak areas of knowledge but feel I was doing as well as the other residents and working hard to correct any deficiencies. I feel that I was treated unfairly and the program went out of its way to make me look bad.
My question is this. What did the people who were fired in the other programs do? I have applied through ERAS for next years match but have gotten no interviews. What should I say to other programs when applying to them?
I have not filed any suits against the program since I do not want to increase the chances of them blackballing me. I have not reapplied to any FP positions again since the PD said that he felt it was not the right specialty for me (implied he would blackball any apps to FP programs) and that I was suited more for a different kind of specialty. I have worked hard to get to this point so that I can help patients and find this rather discouraging but am not giving up.
as it was only a new program.....there were only pgy1's at the time to talk to. which at the time they were only half way through their year. i wish they had told me to avoid the program like the plague but they did not. as for the isres post.....all i have to say is that if you feel that you were let go unfairly then only you know what you should do. but if you ask me then i say you've worked to hard to let your career be dictated by anyone but yourself.