Grant's Dissector

[gioia]

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Is it just me, or is this dissector hard to follow?

I am just curious to know what other students think about it...

We were told to follow the dissector almost verbatim for H&N. Two or three pages into the reading I realize I have retained nothing and wish there were another, more organized dissector to follow.

 

[dsblaha]

I agree, that thing is horrible. Since we are over half way done with anatomy we only use it sparingly, just look for the bold structures and figure out our own way to get to them.

 

[sambo]

This won't help this year's M1's, but a new addtion of Grant's by a different author is due out next spring, and it's supposed to be a lot better than the current addition

 

[jonb12997]

The other thing I hate about the dissector, you ask your prof a question about how to dissect something, or where something is exactly, after trying to figure it out by reading the dissector/netter/clemente/rohen of course, and what answer do you get? READ THE DISSECTOR AND CHECK YOUR ATLAS... ARGHHHH!!!!! 😡 😡 😡 anyone else with me on this?


haha gioria, didn't realize it was you who posted that... isn't hartman wonderful 😉

 

[MeowMix]

just don't do what we did, making a too-deep, too-lateral cut before reflecting the erector spinae, and suddenly finding the kidney!

 

[Mumpu]

My anatomy prof told us that there is no good dissector on the market right now. My school used Grant's because it used the same approach as the curriculum. And yeah, it sucked.

 

[Back34]

Is it just me, or is this dissector hard to follow?

I am just curious to know what other students think about it...

We were told to follow the dissector almost verbatim for H&N. Two or three pages into the reading I realize I have retained nothing and wish there were another, more organized dissector to follow.

I agree, Grant's was too cumbersome and detail oriented to be really practical. Our group started using it and got nowhere fast. Then we started using a different dissector which was way more concise and focused on the "need to know structures." Granted, we weren't getting all the minutiae that everybody else was, but we were done in half the time and still wound up doing well in the class. For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the book. It was a little bit bigger than a 5 x 7 note card and was about as thick as Grant's. I want to say "Gray's Anatomy Dissector," but I'm not really sure.

 

[gioia]

Well, I must say that I am glad others share my opinion. I think I just figured out that the atlas (or two) has to be there every step of the way....

And aren't dissectors supposed to show you where to make all the incisions???

HEY JONB!!!

 

[Tiki]

just don't do what we did, making a too-deep, too-lateral cut before reflecting the erector spinae, and suddenly finding the kidney!

That is my biggest fear. When we were dissecting the leg, I was cutting off a bunch of fascia from the medial thigh region and accidentally sliced off the great saphenous vein. I almost cried. 😀

And I agree about Grants. I don't retain one word of what it says. So now I try to take notes on all of the structures I'm suppose to find before lab, and just ignore the dissector all together.

 

[njbmd]

That is my biggest fear. When we were dissecting the leg, I was cutting off a bunch of fascia from the medial thigh region and accidentally sliced off the great saphenous vein. I almost cried. 😀

And I agree about Grants. I don't retain one word of what it says. So now I try to take notes on all of the structures I'm suppose to find before lab, and just ignore the dissector all together.

Hi there,
I totally agree with the above. I just made my own notes and used my 3-D cross sections book to get an idea of how deep or superficial structures would be. It kind of the same way I use Zollinger's Surgical atlas these days for procedures that I haven't done. I kind of sketch the whole procedure out on a seperate paper layer by layer and then I have a better handle on the case.
njbmd 😀

 

[Discobolus]

I haven't seen the new edition of Grant's Dissector but the author was our course director and a very good teacher. From what I heard it will be a major overhaul and should be much improved.

 

[velo]

I can't believe how many people don't like Grants. Combine Grants+Netters+TA/prof, mix for 2 hours in formaldehyde fumes, and voila! you get a good anatomy experience...serve chilled...

 

[gioia]

Hi there,
I totally agree with the above. I just made my own notes and used my 3-D cross sections book to get an idea of how deep or superficial structures would be. It kind of the same way I use Zollinger's Surgical atlas these days for procedures that I haven't done. I kind of sketch the whole procedure out on a seperate paper layer by layer and then I have a better handle on the case.
njbmd 😀

Where did you get a 3-D Cross sections Book?? That is a great idea. We have to be 'fluent' in cross sections but I didn't think of using them for H&N. Will that work? The prob. is that the instructor requires us to follow the dissector religiously for H&N and anytime you ask a fellow a question they immediately retort,"Have you read your dissector completely?"

 

[TTSD]

Rules to live by:

1) If unsure, cut shallow
2) If you know there're lots of nerves, use your favorite spreading technique

..cutting the erector spinae group and finding the kidney 😱

3) If you have a really fatty obese corpse, be prepared to stay for a loooong time.

 

[bruinrab]

3) If you have a really fatty obese corpse, be prepared to stay for a loooong time.

:shudder: We've almost filled up our second tissue bucket already. We just pile the fat on the table until it gets in our way and then put it in the bucket 3-4 lbs of it at a time...and our body didn't even look obese. 🙁

 

[agp4]

The new author of the dissector visited our gross class a couple of weeks ago. He promised to simplify the dialogue of the dissector and fix the pictures - some of them are flat out wrong. Seeing that the dissector is only useful for first-year anatomy, it won't help any of us though.

 

[ddmo]

Clemente's sucks too. Most of the time we just figure out where we are supposed to be cutting, and start looking for the structures shown in Netter.

 

[LukeWhite]

2/3 of the way through the year I started using the UWisc. dissection videos (http://www.anatomy.wisc.edu/courses/gross/) as dissector/review. They start from prosections, so it's no good in terms of getting the right cuts, but it does help a bit with getting the lay of the land.

 

[efex101]

Yeah that is a great website!

 

[gioia]

2/3 of the way through the year I started using the UWisc. dissection videos (http://www.anatomy.wisc.edu/courses/gross/) as dissector/review. They start from prosections, so it's no good in terms of getting the right cuts, but it does help a bit with getting the lay of the land.

Thanks, LukeWhite 🙂 ,

That site is great. I'm going to use it for Monday's dissection.