Great Cities

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Dublin, Hong Kong, Moscow, Mumbai (Bombay),

They all have crime, but are for the most part safe, right???

Could I possibly live in one of these places for four years?

Now lets keep this post active by adding frequent-pointless posts all week so everyone has to keep seeing it.








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[ForensicPath]

Actually I read an article in scientific american a few months back that said the best cities were in Norway, Sweden, Finland, areas. Very low crime rate and they are actually considered to be more modern than the United States. One of the reasons for their high level modernity is they have a low level of traditional religious people running around (i.e. no religious nuts).

 

[mikedc813]

what does this have to do with medicine

 

[exmike]

baltimore and qatar

 

[SlopinMunkyDude]

One of the reasons for their high level modernity is they have a low level of traditional religious people running around (i.e. no religious nuts).

You dumbnut. One of the standards they used to measure modernity in that "study" was whether or not the people had strong religious beliefs. Of course Norway and Sweden were more "modern"; it was built into the survey. Or at least "modern" as defined by the *****s in Scientific American. Pretty stupid way to judge how modern a society is if you ask me. By that standard, China is going backwards right now.

And just FYI, both Sweden and Norway have higher rates of violent crime than the US. Lower homicide rates, higher violent crime.

To answer the OP's question, yeah, you'll probably be fine in all of those cities, though Moscow probably isn't the safest place on earth. I'm afraid suicide bombings are going to continue there. I'd be leary of public transit there, as well.

 

[Gleevec]

You dumbnut. One of the standards they used to measure modernity in that "study" was whether or not the people had strong religious beliefs. Of course Norway and Sweden were more "modern"; it was built into the survey. Or at least "modern" as defined by the *****s in Scientific American. Pretty stupid way to judge how modern a society is if you ask me. By that standard, China is going backwards right now.

And just FYI, both Sweden and Norway have higher rates of violent crime than the US. Lower homicide rates, higher violent crime.

To answer the OP's question, yeah, you'll probably be fine in all of those cities, though Moscow probably isn't the safest place on earth. I'm afraid suicide bombings are going to continue there. I'd be leary of public transit there, as well.

Not really, religious extremists cause a lot of problems. Just look at what they are trying to do with the teaching of evolution (and what they tried to do with the heliocentric model).

While few people have qualms with religion, its the religious extremists that gain prominence through a currency of hate (which is currently aimed at homosexuals) that cause a society to go backwards.

Dont believe in the negative consequences of religious extremism? Take a look at the Middle East, where crazy religious leaders have redirected their people's misery at the US and in doing so have gained a great deal of undeserved power.

And actually, modernity by definition is limited in religous facets. So in that regard, the Scientific American study was correct.

If you could show some statistics on Scandinavian violent crime, I would be interested to see them. From what I understand, they are supposed to have a low overall level of crime (even violent), so Im kind of ambivalent on this point.

 

[SlopinMunkyDude]

There are very few religious exteremists in this country, quite frankly, though I think there are a lot of people out there trying to create them (or redefine them, that is (e.g. Pat Robertson is an evil man? Hardly.). Most religious "extremists" in the evolution debate do not want evolution taught without a mention of creationism--not the complete elimination of the teaching of evolution. For whatever reason, this is resisted by our "culturally sensitive" elite. I subscribe to the theory of evolution, but when a substantial percentage of your population buys into another theory, you can toss a one sentence bone at least acknowledging a theory's existence and avoid ticking off a lot of parents.

As for the international crime statistics, here you go. I was actually suprised by them. As you can see, Australia, England and Wales, Canada, Sweden, and France (to name but a few) all top the US in terms of percentage of the population falling victim to violent crime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/02/23/ncrim123.xml

 

[ForensicPath]

You dumbnut.

Kill yourself

You dumbnut. One of the standards they used to measure modernity in that "study" was whether or not the people had strong religious beliefs. Of course Norway and Sweden were more "modern"; it was built into the survey. Or at least "modern" as defined by the *****s in Scientific American. Pretty stupid way to judge how modern a society is if you ask me. By that standard, China is going backwards right now.

And just FYI, both Sweden and Norway have higher rates of violent crime than the US. Lower homicide rates, higher violent crime.

To answer the OP's question, yeah, you'll probably be fine in all of those cities, though Moscow probably isn't the safest place on earth. I'm afraid suicide bombings are going to continue there. I'd be leary of public transit there, as well.

Hey genius, the "*****s in Scientific American" do not conduct studies, they just publish them. You ass.

FYI. As a society gets more modern traditional religious values tend to go down. The Islamic world is a perfect example of that. Religious extremists favor traditional religious values instead of modernization. As modernity goes up, religion goes down. It's a fact. You chode.

I apologize for not getting the specifics of the study down, you prick, I read it months ago and was recalling it off of the top of my head.

 

[ForensicPath]

There are very few religious exteremists in this country, quite frankly, though I think there are a lot of people out there trying to create them (or redefine them, that is (e.g. Pat Robertson is an evil man? Hardly.). Most religious "extremists" in the evolution debate do not want evolution taught without a mention of creationism--not the complete elimination of the teaching of evolution. For whatever reason, this is resisted by our "culturally sensitive" elite. I subscribe to the theory of evolution, but when a substantial percentage of your population buys into another theory, you can toss a one sentence bone at least acknowledging a theory's existence and avoid ticking off a lot of parents.

As for the international crime statistics, here you go. I was actually suprised by them. As you can see, Australia, England and Wales, Canada, Sweden, and France (to name but a few) all top the US in terms of percentage of the population falling victim to violent crime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/02/23/ncrim123.xml

You totally missed the point. Of course there are no major religious extremists iin this country, but the fact of the matter is that when a society, such as ours, lets religion play an important role in politics, decision-making, etc.. it is not as modern as those countries that do not have religion playing an important role.

Alls I know is that Sweden produces some excellent death metal bands

 

[patzan]

Kill yourself



Hey genius, the "*****s in Scientific American" do not conduct studies, they just publish them. You ass.

FYI. As a society gets more modern traditional religious values tend to go down. The Islamic world is a perfect example of that. Religious extremists favor traditional religious values instead of modernization. As modernity goes up, religion goes down. It's a fact. You chode.

I apologize for not getting the specifics of the study down, you prick, I read it months ago and was recalling it off of the top of my head.

I hope you don't plan on being a doctor that treats "real" people. Who are the extremists you are talking about? Islam? Jews? Go on, call them out. All I can see is you setting yourself up to look like the a$$.

EDIT: I take it back...you've already done that.

 

[SlopinMunkyDude]

Kill yourself....chode...prick

I think we can leave the lovely towns Long Island off of the list of great cities column? You're definitely living up to the rep. Listen, I'm sure you're a cool enough guy. Let's cool one down a notch. I remember being a put off by that study because I considered their definition of modernity more than a bit pretentious when it came out.

As modernity goes up, religion goes down.

China? South Korea? Neither of them fit. Nor does or has the US.

Hey genius, the "*****s in Scientific American"

No, that would be "the *****s in." Obviously they were published in Scientific American. Had I said "the *****s of," you might have a point. I really don't think semantics are worth arguing over in the first place, but oh well.

Let's just suffice it to say that I do not equate "traditional" with "nuts" as you did in your first post and that I think there are multiple definitions of "modern/modernity" at play.

Yeah, I probably reacted stronger than I needed to. My apologies.

Back to the OP's original post, is Moscow really that bad now? What about St. Petersbourg? I've always wanted to visit the latter, but I'm a bit anxious with the Chechnyan rebels thrown into the mix.

 

[Medikit]

One of the reasons for their high level modernity is they have a low level of traditional religious people running around (i.e. no religious nuts).

 

[CanuckPAGirl]

baltimore and qatar

 

[Spitting Camel]

HOW CUTE!!! And I NEVER say cute!

 

[Medikit]

HOW CUTE!!! And I NEVER say cute!

My friend from school (college and high school) is going to be in your class from Loma Linda! I've been watching her go through the whole process. It sounds like a good school, I hope you enjoy it 👍.

 

[ForensicPath]

I think we can leave the lovely towns Long Island off of the list of great cities column? You're definitely living up to the rep. Listen, I'm sure you're a cool enough guy. Let's cool one down a notch.

As a matter of fact, Suffolk County and Nassau County (Long Island) were named the #1 safest places (lowest crime rate) to live in the United States in a recent report in Forbes magazine. If it weren't for the high cost of living here, Long Island would be one of the most desirable places to live (it already is very desirable).

As for my insults, they were meant to be a sarcastic response to your "dumbnut" remark. Sometimes I forget that sarcasm does not work well over the internet. I apologize for the misunderstanding, but it was merely used to point out how silly your initial remark was. Oh well.

I hope you don't plan on being a doctor that treats "real" people. Who are the extremists you are talking about? Islam? Jews? Go on, call them out. All I can see is you setting yourself up to look like the a$$.

EDIT: I take it back...you've already done that.

Why is it that people think I am attacking religion? Stop associating the word "modernity" with "good." All I have said is that as a place becomes more "modern," traditional religious values tend to go down. That is all I have said. It is not a rule, it is just a trend. You can read as much into that as you want, I guess.

Also, who do you think you are judging how good a doctor I will be from a post on the internet concerning the nature of city development in relation to religion? Take your self-righteousness elsewhere.

 

[ForensicPath]

China? South Korea? Neither of them fit. Nor does or has the US.

I just noticed this... I did not make the definition of the word. These nations are very industrialized, that is true. However, being modern is more that just having well-built cities and more advanced technology. The definition of the word includes a move away from more traditional thinking. This means an overall more progressive approach to politics, policy making, etc... Traditional societies tend to want to maintain the status quo (aka being more right-wing). Areas where religion plays an important role tend to be more traditional and less progressive. This progressive approach to things is a necessary component of being considered more modern.

Industrialized is not the only qualification for modernity. I didn't write the definition, so if you don't like the word, find the guy who did.

This would actually be an interesting topic for a paper for a sociology class.

 

[ms2209]

Not really, religious extremists cause a lot of problems. Just look at what they are trying to do with the teaching of evolution (and what they tried to do with the heliocentric model).

While few people have qualms with religion, its the religious extremists that gain prominence through a currency of hate (which is currently aimed at homosexuals) that cause a society to go backwards.

Dont believe in the negative consequences of religious extremism? Take a look at the Middle East, where crazy religious leaders have redirected their people's misery at the US and in doing so have gained a great deal of undeserved power.

And actually, modernity by definition is limited in religous facets. So in that regard, the Scientific American study was correct.

If you could show some statistics on Scandinavian violent crime, I would be interested to see them. From what I understand, they are supposed to have a low overall level of crime (even violent), so Im kind of ambivalent on this point.

👍 👍 Great post!