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Osteopathic schools seem to open every year....does anyone have a list of future/proposed osteopathic schools? We are up to 28 schools right now!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_schools_in_the_United_States
scroll down to the bottom
Theres only one new osteopathic school opening next year but one is better than none.
most students and docs would say NONE is better than one.
most students and docs would say NONE is better than one.
they need to increase residency positions at the same rate.
Bingo. The residency spots have been capped under some document created in like 1997. This problem needs to be addressed, especially for AOA residencies.
Actually, there are more residency spots than AMG's each year. I think we should keep the residency spots capped, allow them to completely fill with AMG's, and only then consider an increase. After all, medicare funds these, and we need to keep our tax dollars "within the fold", so to speak.
Bingo. The residency spots have been capped under some document created in like 1997. This problem needs to be addressed, especially for AOA residencies.
these unfilled spots are in specialties that are less desirable for american grads and many risk not being able to pay their debt by entering into those specialties because of low pay. Another problem is that several schools pass the buck on insuring their students recieve proper clinical education. They advertise it as giving the student the ability to spend years 3 and 4 where ever they want but that is them endagering the profession by producing graduates with sub par education. This issue was recently bought up by the head of the AOA when he went before COCA. Unfortunately he is not allowed to tell them what to do, he just hopes they will see the light.
I would take quality over quantity any day when it comes to the DO profession, it worked well for roughly 70 years.
The cap only applies to the increase of spots for existing residencies. New ones are opening all the time.
Actually, the number of osteopathic first-year positions has increased by 16% since 1997. There are also 13 states-- Alaska, Kentucky, Louisianna, Minnesota, Mississipi, Nevada, New Hamshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Washington, or Wyoming-- that didn't have osteopathic residencies a decade ago but have opened them since then. There are a lot of people working on increasing osteopathic GME spots. So....this crap about not doing anything about increasing residency slots is simply....crap.
One thing that is holding "better" residencies from being created is the requirement that a board-certified DO be the director of a new residency. I know of one hospital that has tried for a few years to lure a board-certified DO cardiologist in order to open a cardiology residency, but they haven't been able to get one. They have a heart center there, but they can't find anyone. If they could start one with an MD, they would have had it years ago. If you want to see better residencies, talk to the AOA about changing that rule.
16% increase in residencies - what % increase in students?
The cap only applies to the increase of spots for existing residencies. New ones are opening all the time.
Actually, the number of osteopathic first-year positions has increased by 16% since 1997. There are also 13 states-- Alaska, Kentucky, Louisianna, Minnesota, Mississipi, Nevada, New Hamshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Washington, or Wyoming-- that didn't have osteopathic residencies a decade ago but have opened them since then. There are a lot of people working on increasing osteopathic GME spots. So....this crap about not doing anything about increasing residency slots is simply....crap.
One thing that is holding "better" residencies from being created is the requirement that a board-certified DO be the director of a new residency. I know of one hospital that has tried for a few years to lure a board-certified DO cardiologist in order to open a cardiology residency, but they haven't been able to get one. They have a heart center there, but they can't find anyone. If they could start one with an MD, they would have had it years ago. If you want to see better residencies, talk to the AOA about changing that rule.
Not quite. The BBA of 1997 capped the global number of residencies funded by Medicare at 1997 levels. There is no exemption for new residencies. Any new residencies created are being funded by parties other than Medicare.
Not quite. The BBA of 1997 capped the global number of residencies funded by Medicare at 1997 levels. There is no exemption for new residencies. Any new residencies created are being funded by parties other than Medicare. Of course, a residency is an expensive undertaking and many hospitals do not see the need to spend the money.
Your other point is correct. Not only does the AOA require their program directors to be DO's, they must be certified by a DO board, rather than by the ABMS. Since 2/3 of grads enter ACGME/ABMS programs, where are then new DO program directors going to come from? Sure, there are a lot of primary care people, but what about the specialties, anesthesiology, nephrology, radiation oncology? Or are DO's just glorified nurse pracitioners? Without specialists, that is exactly what we will be. Frankly, I fail to understand how an anesthesiologist who graduated from an AOA residency, say Sun Coast Osteopathic Hospital, can be qualified to run a DO residency, while a DO graduate of John's Hopkins anesthesiology residency is not.
But it's ok to irresponsibly open new schools and allow preposterous increases in class sizes without any planned clinical education. Why not skip the formalities and just go straight to a 2 year online Associate Degree in Osteopathic Medicine?
while AOA certified become relegated to limited practice, chiropractic-like status.
How/why would this happen?