Guaranteed acceptance into medical school?

[stateproxy]

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Background:

- My husband and my twins were in a car accident 2 years ago when his Honda was hit by a pickup truck. My husband died (he was hit by another car when he got out of our Honda to ask for help). My twins suffered very serious injuries to the head and neck in the Honda accident - they will need medical care throughout their lives. The kids are 3 years old now.
- I have an undergraduate degree in Electrical Engineering from MIT and a graduate degree in Economics from Princeton, GPA 3.9 and 3.78 respectively, and an old near-perfect GRE score.
- I am financially struggling because of medical expenses on my kids.

Objective:
To get into a medical school

Constraints:
- No pre-medical courses of any kind whatsoever.
- Very high medical bills and 2 kids who are 100% dependent on me. I could take loans for medical school though.

Question:
Are there any guaranteed acceptance programs, i.e. programs that guarantee acceptance into medical schools?

Thank you.
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[J ROD]

First, sorry!! That sucks!!

I dont see how you will make it work with all that on you. Med school is a full-time job and much more.....


To answer your question, there are BA/MD programs for high school seniors and SMP where if you do well enough then MD school is given.

I would first KNOW what you are getting into. I dont see how you can make it work with your kids being a 100% dependent on you.

You seem to have the intelligence but I think you would have too much on your plate and are looking for a fix to a very hard situation. I dont think med school is the "fix". I think it would cause much more problems. Dont try to be a MD for the money.

 

[MSSM2013]

how are you going to support your children when you are in school? I am a first year. I go to school at 8:30, finish class usually at 4pm, goes home at 9pm, who is going to take care of your children during the mean time?

 

[shiftingmirage]

Based on your stats, you don't really need a 'guaranteed' program. You will need to complete the pre-req, which I would assume would take 2 years. If you can get near perfect on the GRE, I would assume you could get a decent MCAT score and be fine come application time. Also, some states are easier to get into state schools then others. Ohio and Texas are known for having lots of state schools compared to # of applicants. If you move to a state that is in-state friendly, you will better your chances.

As for the financials of medicine, be aware that residency pays crap. Most start at ~43-45k for year one, and usually increase ~2k a year, until you are an attending, and making the 'big bucks'. This would be okay, if you weren't sitting on 150k of student loans. That is 2 years of you completing pre-reqs, 4 years in med school taking out loans, and 3-5+ years on a resident salary raising 2 kids with medical problems that are a financial burden.

I'm not trying to discourage you, just be aware that the 6 figure salary, in your case, is 9-14 years away. If an MD/DO is what you want, go for it. If the timeline is too long, I would consider Physician Assistant schools. Most are 2 year programs, and I don't believe, though I could be wrong, they have anything like residency. I think after they pass an exam, they have a license. PA's make ~80k. Just something to consider.

 

[stateproxy]

Two clarifications:

- I am not going to medical school for the money.
- When I am in medical school, my mother can take care of the twins until I get home. I will be 100% dependent for their expenses though.

A poster wrote "SMP where if you do well enough then MD school is given" - what SMPs would those be?

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[LizzyM]

A single parent of two children who have injuries requiring lifetime medical care??

What provisions have you made for the care of your children while you are away overnight during your clinical training?

Have you been in school since the accident?


Who takes care of your children while you are away from home?

Are you open to relocating to another city or another state?

What are you hoping to get out of a career in medicine? What other careers have you considered?

 

[Stixman28]

A poster wrote "SMP where if you do well enough then MD school is given" - what SMPs would those be?

Since your new, Im going to let you know that LizzyM knows what she is talking about, and is treated as an oracle around these parts. her concern is one of an admissions committee member.

About your questions though. You dontneed an SMP. You need a post-bac program to take your pre-reqs. We have a whole post-bac board here.

There are several schools that have linkages with medical school, where you can apply to the med school very early during your post bac, and then if your grades stay at a certain level and your MCAT meets their requirements, they'll let you begin the med school without a glide year where you would be applying to schools in the normal cycle.

I believe that there are some schools (Ohio state medpath?) where you apply with an MCAT to their post bac and you can easily hop into their med school.

There is however, no guaranteed admissions to med school. Go check out the post bac forums and see if any of the schools mentioned on their meet your style and apply. several, (Penn one i know for sure) will let you start in the summer semester instead of waiting until next fall.

SMP's are really for folks who need to show they can handle med school by getting good grades in that kind of environment. they have already taken pre reqs and most of the time, already taken the mcat too.

 

[MSSM2013]

Two clarifications:

- I am not going to medical school for the money.
- When I am in medical school, my mother can take care of the twins until I get home. I will be 100% dependent for their expenses though.

A poster wrote "SMP where if you do well enough then MD school is given" - what SMPs would those be?

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you are looking at 2+ years of commitment to prepare for a good application. During those times it's diffcult to keep doing a full time job.

Who will financially support your medical school application expense? (about 10k if you take all the pre-reqs at community college, I think)

medicine is really a long road and many residents find it diffcult to have children or take care of them. From the day you enter medical school to the next ten years, you will have about one day off per weekend at most and you will work to around 9pm everyday at least. Do you plan to have your mother take care of your children for the next ten years while you are away from them?

 

[stateproxy]

you are looking at 2+ years of commitment to prepare for a good application. During those times it's diffcult to keep doing a full time job.

Who will financially support your medical school application expense? (about 10k if you take all the pre-reqs at community college, I think)

medicine is really a long road and many residents find it diffcult to have children or take care of them. From the day you enter medical school to the next ten years, you will have about one day off per weekend at most and you will work to around 9pm everyday at least. Do you plan to have your mother take care of your children for the next ten years while you are away from them?

The pre-med years are going to be hell for me, agree fully :-(

 

[stateproxy]

Oops I meant loopholes, not lookholes.

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A: Donate $40,000 to Manipal Engg College in India and join their rigorous engineering program. You can return to the U.S. and practice engineering.

Q: What is the guaranteed way to get into the University of Arizona with a 1.0 GPA?
A: Join the Mohave Community College in North Mohave. They have an open admissions policy. Once you graduate from Mohave, the University of Arizona guarantees you admission.

Q: What is the guaranteed way to get into a medical school (MD, DO, etc) even if you have inadequate pre-reqs and/or a bad MCAT score and practice medicine in the U.S.?
A: Hope someone can answer this! Thank you!

- Sarah
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[med etudiant]

I want some of whatever your on!

 

[MSSM2013]

The pre-med years are going to be hell for me, agree fully :-(

premed is least of your worries

 

[LizzyM]

Am I willing to relocated? If so, will I leave the twins with my mother or will my mother relocate as well? Is my mother in a position to take care of the twins for the next 10 years?

What does it cost to support the twins? Am I prepared to borrow that amount of money for the 6 years it will take to complete post-bac and med school? Will a resident's salary be enough to service my student loan debt and support the twins or will I need to borrow more?

Besides the care of the children, how have I tested my interest in medicine as a career?

If I am not doing this for the money, is there any other career that would fulfill the needs that I'm looking to medicine to fulfill but require less time away from my children, fewer years of my life and less debt?

 

[GoSpursGo]

Please don't make multiple threads on the same topic. I'm merging your two active threads.

 

[med etudiant]

Warning: Poster may be a troll. She posted some interesting (half-ways offensive) posts before or after this post.

 

[J ROD]

I smell troll too!! I knew I smelt fish......🙄

 

[stateproxy]

LizzyM raised some very interesting questions that will help me immensely when I interview with medical schools. Thanks LizzyM.

I would be willing to go into debt for medical school because I know I will be able to pay off those debts. But I am terrified of taking loans for pre-medical studies.

 

[MSSM2013]

LizzyM raised some very interesting questions that will help me immensely when I interview with medical schools. Thanks LizzyM.

I would be willing to go into debt for medical school because I know I will be able to pay off those debts. But I am terrified of taking loans for pre-medical studies.

what are your answers to those questions? If you are going into medicine, you aren't going to see your kids much, are you OK with that?

 

[stateproxy]

Stixman28 thanks for your post. If you have more info on such post-bacc programs, I would love to hear more.

- Sarah

 

[apumic]

LizzyM raised some very interesting questions that will help me immensely when I interview with medical schools. Thanks LizzyM.

I would be willing to go into debt for medical school because I know I will be able to pay off those debts. But I am terrified of taking loans for pre-medical studies.

With Obamacare on the horizon, I wouldn't be so sure about your ability to pay this off.

Furthermore, no offense, but don't you think your kids have been through enough? If you go this route, your kids will be effectively losing their mother for the next 10+ years. Even though your mother may be willing and able to provide for them (assuming she can do so if they are so dependent upon adult support), this seems likes it could have a negative impact on their ongoing development. You didn't mention their ages or their exact disabilities, but this sounds like a potential problem to me.

Some have mentioned PA school as an alternative. Is there a specific reason you wouldn't want to do this?

Have you considered how you would have a medical practice while caring for your kids as a single mother? It doesn't sound like your kids will be able to fend for themselves ever so what happens once you're practicing 60+ hours/wk to pay back those loans and your mother, God forbid, passes away. Do you have someone else who can provide them care after school from 2-7pm (and overnight/on weekends when you're on-call)?

If you're not a troll, I think there are some very serious logistical problems you need to work through here. I'm sorry to hear you're in such a hard position and wish you the best.

 

[mrmilad]

Not sure why everyone is beating around the bush. As a parent of two kids you should not and will not be able to make it through medical school unless you sacrifice your kids and family.

 

[jvesco22]

Not sure why everyone is beating around the bush. As a parent of two kids you should not and will not be able to make it through medical school unless you sacrifice your kids and family.

Why make such a definitive statement when you haven't even started med school yet?

 

[MSSM2013]

Why make such a definitive statement when you haven't even started med school yet?

I am a MS1 and I work from 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week, I must be stupid or something.

 

[schrizto]

Warning: Poster may be a troll. She posted some interesting (half-ways offensive) posts before or after this post.

Looks like the OP is using a public account at the library or something... so maybe it was posted by someone else?:

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OP, why do you want to go into medicine? I see that you've stated that you're not doing it for the money, but with no pre-med courses taken and not much hands-on clinical experience mentioned, how do you know this is the career path for you? Also, going through an SMP or postbacc is expensive.

 

[bannie22]

troll or no troll. the mentality that all med students cannot have family life is just ridiculously backwards.

 

[brooklynblunder]

does your employer offer tuition reimbursement to take these courses

 

[schrizto]

does your employer offer tuition reimbursement to take these courses

I doubt an employer would pay for an employee to change careers.

 

[jvesco22]

I am a MS1 and I work from 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week, I must be stupid or something.

You must be, because obviously you didn't see who I quoted...

 

[TruthHurts]

IMO, You should be there for your children as they grow up. It seems rather irresponsible to me to pursue your dreams while leaving your children to be raised by their grandmother and live off of loans or whatever you can scrape together.

 

[cubssox2000]

Oops I meant loopholes, not lookholes.

Q: What is the guaranteed way to get into a medical school (MD, DO, etc) even if you have inadequate pre-reqs and/or a bad MCAT score and practice medicine in the U.S.?
A: Hope someone can answer this! Thank you!

I am sorry to hear about your situation, but there really is no such thing as a guaranteed acceptance to medical school, unless you are willing to donate a new wing to their hospital.

If there was some guaranteed way in, do you think that all of the posters on this site would be here? They would be following that path.

You have a lot of issues facing you. No pre-med courses means you have to take a 2 year (minimum) post-bac. However, without any pre-med courses, its probably safe to assume that you don't have much, if any, volunteering in the medical world or clinical experience. These will kill your application. You would need to take a year off and do pretty much only these. You would have to then take the MCAT and apply (which, unless you get a fee-waiver, can cost upwards of $2000). If you are able to get through all of this with decent grades and MCAT, you have a shot at MD or DO. This whole process will take about 7 years, and then you start residency.

The "easiest" way into medical school would be to take a post-bac and do the pre-med requirements, take the MCAT and apply to the Caribbean. Caribbean schools will notoriously accept almost anyone, as long as they are willing to pay the full tuition and take the 25% chance of getting an American residency. However, since you didn't answer LizzyM twice about relocating, I'm guessing that its not really an option. Also, this process would still take about 2 years of post-bac plus 4 (if you don't fail out, which about half the students do) of school plus residency (if you get one in America, which only about half of the remaining students do).

As far as whether or not it is possible to be a single mother and a med-student, it is definitely possible. You would have to make some sacrifices, but if you are willing to spend a little less time in the library and a little less time with your kids, then you can do it.

 

[TexasPrincess]

Advice: Look into taking your prereqs at the local community colleges. My Organic Chemistry 1 class cost only $200. A lot of CCs have night classes or even weekend classes so you can keep your day job. Just make sure that the schools you are applying to are ok with CCs. Start studying for the MCAT as soon as you begin taking your classes. Look into which med schools accept more non-traditional students. State med schools are definitely cheaper then private schools.

Good luck!

 

[Noirukiddingme]

troll or no troll. the mentality that all med students cannot have family life is just ridiculously backwards.

I don't think that anyone is saying that all med students cannot have a family life. This is a situation where the OP already has a family and has provided a minimal amount of evidence that she has thoroughly thought through the commitment. I personally have no problem (and encourage) parents going to medical school, but the fact that she is asking for a guaranteed acceptance to med school makes me question how much she has thought it through. If she can't handle the application process, how is she going to handle everything else? So, I guess, the more important question, is why do you want guaranteed acceptance to med school?

 

[LizzyM]

troll or no troll. the mentality that all med students cannot have family life is just ridiculously backwards.

Medical students and physicians can certainly have a family life but some situations are particularly challenging. Being a widow with two very young children with health issues is an extraordinary circumstance and one that would make it particularly challenging to manage medical school and residency.

 

[schrizto]

In all honesty, it does sound like the OP wants to go into medicine for the money. Being in a difficult financial situation and the perception that many doctors pull in high salaries seems to be the driving force behind why the OP wants a quick way to get into medical school. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's pretty noble to want to find a way to comfortably support your kids with special medical needs. But adcoms are not going to let you into their school simply because you have a moving story to tell and have no clinical exp or classes to back up your reasons for medicine.

 

[Handy388]

no, there is no guaranteed acceptance program, but I heard some job in LA pays 6 digit and you don't really need any training at all. In fact, you can have all the time in world to spend with your children, may want to look into that.

This is a ridiculous thread.

 

[flip26]

no, there is no guaranteed acceptance program, but I heard some job in LA pays 6 digit and you don't really need any training at all. In fact, you can have all the time in world to spend with your children, may want to look into that.

This is a ridiculous thread.

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The details like the "Honda" are classic troll techniques.

Can't believe people fall for crapola like this.

 

[BBender716]

👍

The details like the "Honda" are classic troll techniques.

Can't believe people fall for crapola like this.

First this thread was like :cry:

Then it was like

Soon it became :troll:

But turned into

Then finally came to rest as :troll:

Hopefully, soon it's

 

[stateproxy]

I know you are all nice and well meaning but

Request: Please don't focus on personal aspects like
- I won't be a good mother
- my motivation is money
- my mother might die
- it is not fair on my kids if I attend med school
- etc.

Rather please focus on responding to substantive questions I raised in my post.

Thanx!!

 

[schrizto]

I know you are all nice and well meaning but

Request: Please don't focus on personal aspects like
- I won't be a good mother
- my motivation is money
- my mother might die
- it is not fair on my kids if I attend med school
- etc.

Rather please focus on responding to substantive questions I raised in my post.

Thanx!!

sorry if any of my comments came across as mean... I think most of the people who replied are just being practical.

 

[Compass]

The only easy day was yesterday. Going to medical school ramps up in difficulty over time. It does not get easier, only harder as you move towards med school.

 

[bannie22]

Did you have problems with your relationship with your husband? I always found the read somewhat weird, I finally noticed why,
you described the Honda as "his Honda" and not "our Honda".




OR are you just trolling? 🙁

 

[Hoody]

Did you have problems with your relationship with your husband? I always found the read somewhat weird, I finally noticed why,
you described the Honda as "his Honda" and not "our Honda".




OR are you just trolling? 🙁

 

[Raigon]

And... OP's banned before I got a chance to answer any of her questions. That being said, though my courses are AMCAS verified, if my school doesn't accredit my international courses, I'm dead meat. Means I'll have to apply for a post-bac. And I don't even know how to do that.

Well, troll or no troll, if she honestly wants go in med school, then she should definitely not ask for an easy way, because there is no such thing as a "guaranteed" method for anything. She should just go ask around take the most practical way.

Interesting thread by the way. When I saw "Honda" I was 80% sure this may be troll.