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I'm at the lab all day so I switch between iPad and lab computers, depending on if I want to eat at the same time. It's fine on both. It's slightly easier to do daily qs on a pc because u can use the arrows to navigate.
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I try to use my comp as much as possible but I use my iphone when I'm waiting for a haircut or appointment or something. Using the iphone is pretty sucky right now (text displayed way too small because of the giant flashcard, have to scroll down to flip the card, have to scroll to the side and down in order to rate an answer, etc.) but I think they are making an app
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Check your PM
Another general GT-use question:
When actually using GT do you study the cards carefully before banking or do you skim hoping for the repetition to drill it in?
Likewise, when answering the daily review Qs, do you rapid-fire answer with the hope of learning through repetition or do you take the time to pay attention to what you get wrong and what the answers are?
Which approach would you recommend for a someone planning to use GT very long-term?
When actually using GT do you study the cards carefully before banking or do you skim hoping for the repetition to drill it in?
Likewise, when answering the daily review Qs, do you rapid-fire answer with the hope of learning through repetition or do you take the time to pay attention to what you get wrong and what the answers are?
Which approach would you recommend for a someone planning to use GT very long-term?
lol? if you spend a billion hours studying, you can credit anything you do daily to your success, including jerking off
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Mid January - March
I spent the first week of January catching up on GT reviews (up to 1000/day). This took ~3 hours
Chill out dude, we know you like hating on GT. I just posted that link to help motivate these other guys doing GT too. It's always helps reading success stories when you're grinding.
It seems you did very well using your own method. Congrats, now please show some tolerance for people using other methods. Thanks.
It seems you did very well using your own method. Congrats, now please show some tolerance for people using other methods. Thanks.
?lol my criticism is for your own benefit. please don't be so naive that you look for the facts that you want (i.e., "he used GT and did well") and completely turn a blind eye to to the rest of the story (i.e., hes following phobostn 9 month plan).
just to prove a point, heres another quote from that guy's post
"Costanza Physiology - I found I had a free online subscription through school's library to this textbook. Very good. A must read in my opinion. I knew most of the physiology, but this did a good job of reinforcing, reminding, showing me what level is necessary for boards."
so that settles it, costanzo physiology 500 page textbook is a must read, make sure you memorize it before your step 1
You're pretty oblivious to your own actions. Pretty much you criticize anyone's study plan that doesn't match what you did (or what you believe works). I suppose that's what the internet is for.
People will get 250+ studying GT.
People will get 250+ only reading FA + UW
People will get 250+ writing notes into the mud with a twig.
If you wanna say, "all that work is unnecessary and not for me" that's perfectly fine. But do you have to keep hating on people who've decided to do it?
People will get 250+ studying GT.
People will get 250+ only reading FA + UW
People will get 250+ writing notes into the mud with a twig.
If you wanna say, "all that work is unnecessary and not for me" that's perfectly fine. But do you have to keep hating on people who've decided to do it?
Yes.
There really is only ONE MOST EFFICIENT way to prepare for this test. Ofcourse writing notes in the mud with a twig might get you a high score, but is it efficient? I don't care that the guy got a 270 or that he even used GT to get there. What I am concerned about is the fact that he spent a gajillion hours trying to get where he is, and you really should NOT be taking inspiration from someone like that.
I am much more impressed by the guy who runs a mile in 4 minutes, not the guy who takes 20 mins. Make sense?
Actually it would be preety funny if the stupidity of this forum continued to pass to the next generation, and someone became inspired by pholoston's 9 month plan and he/she decides to put in a stupid amount of time/work for a relatively straightforward test.
wrong. noone in your future career is going to ask you all the minutiae that you are wasting your time memorizing, because THEY THEMSELVES DON'T KNOW IT.
You can only get pimped on something the attending knows, and if its not relevant to the DAILY practice of medicine, they don't know it.
also who the #$%^ cares about your class grades. You think your attending in your hospital who probably didn't even go to your school cares that you got XYZ # of questions correct on Dr.so and so's exam? NO noone gives a **** about your first 2 years. I'm doing medicine right now and i'm hearing about diseases that were not covered in class, not even covered in damn robbins. every day you're gonna be hit with **** you've never seen before, don't be so naive that you focus too much on your class grades, because I gaurantee you no matter how much GT you memorize, when you're doing your rotations, you're gonna be pimped on a disease you've never heard of and you're going to look like an idiot, so it doesn't really matter what your class grades were in 1st 2 years
anyway, i just wanted to come back and share my love with the form one last time 🙂 good luck on your step 1, and hopefully you don't end up running that mile in 20 mins!
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How about the fact that I just want to have as deep an understanding of the basic sciences as I can? I don't care about getting pimped. It's not like I'm spending YOUR time and effort. People have different styles of learning and are willing to expend different amounts of effort. It seems you can't wrap your head around this fact.
maybe you are right. I can't wrap my head around the fact getting a DEEPER understanding of the basic sciences is NOT GOING TO HELP YOU AT ALL if you already have a fundamental understanding of the basic sciences. are you telling me that you're going to save more patients than another doctor because you've memorized more items on a list than he has? Diagnosing patients is an art that requires experience, not a memorizable list of damn facts.
Also you get a deeper understanding once you pick a goddamn field to specialize in. Its an idiotic waste of time to try to master 100% of a level before moving onto the next. Life isn't a video game, noone gets to 100%, not even the attendings who have been teaching for 60 years are near 100% knowledge.
Imagine a child in 3rd grade elementary school who refuses to get promoted to the 4th grade until he masters all of his zoology textbook. its an idiotic thing to go at a slower pace when in the end, it doesn't ****ing matter.
read what I wrote again. I said one most efficient (technically thats true about everything in life) and I never said right way
but I guess you have a habit of seeing things you want to see. "this guy got a 270 with GT, holy **** GT is money"
read what I wrote again. I said one most efficient (technically thats true about everything in life) and I never said right way
but I guess you have a habit of seeing things you want to see. "this guy got a 270 with GT, holy **** GT is money"
Nowhere did I say "GT is better than _________". And, unlike you, I will never ever say anything like that for any single product or strategy.
I'm already doing GT everyday. I feel happy when I read success stories; it gives me motivation to keep working. I shared that link to help motivate people already doing it. Somehow that's offended you?
lol I guess I can't really explain to you how life works outside of MS1/2 until you get there. Last warning brotato! keep ignoring advice from people who know better than you and you are going to **** yourself during MS2!
anyway my job is done here 😉
anyway my job is done here 😉
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Can you guys stop this bickering? Icy we appreciate the feedback you gave, but you shouldn't $h!t on people who take longer to study. Just because you didn't like gt doesn't mean the rest of us don't value it.
I know I don't have as much experience as you in medicine because I haven't started ms2 yet, but it's not fair to crap on people who study for 9 months or whatever. Im a slow and steady type of learner. Having a ton to memorize in a short amount of time freaks me out and makes me less productive. I personally prefer to put in ridiculous hours to achieve a goal, because at the end of day, knowing I did everything humanly possible gives me all the confidence I need, irrespective of the outcome.
This is just a little touchy for me because a lot of people in my class crap on me for studying 30 hours for every exam. They don't study until 2 days before, and they forget everything after walking out. Well **** them because Ive ranked #1 now two semesters in a roll and hope to keep it that way.
Congrats on your score. I'll be happy with that score even though I already started studying last month, which by your standard is excessive since you achieved that score in 1/10th of the time. To each his own man
I know I don't have as much experience as you in medicine because I haven't started ms2 yet, but it's not fair to crap on people who study for 9 months or whatever. Im a slow and steady type of learner. Having a ton to memorize in a short amount of time freaks me out and makes me less productive. I personally prefer to put in ridiculous hours to achieve a goal, because at the end of day, knowing I did everything humanly possible gives me all the confidence I need, irrespective of the outcome.
This is just a little touchy for me because a lot of people in my class crap on me for studying 30 hours for every exam. They don't study until 2 days before, and they forget everything after walking out. Well **** them because Ive ranked #1 now two semesters in a roll and hope to keep it that way.
Congrats on your score. I'll be happy with that score even though I already started studying last month, which by your standard is excessive since you achieved that score in 1/10th of the time. To each his own man
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Hey GTP read this dude: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/kobe-bryant-michael-jacks_n_787780.html Especially the quoted block in grey. Haters gonna hate.
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Haters gon hate. Alligators gon alligate and potatoes gon potate 🙄
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To the more experienced GT'ers: how do you get through cards like lysosomal storage diseases? Every time I see any questions related to that card, I am forced to rate a 2...tempted to just keep rating it a 5 and just cram that close to my actual test date (1 year away)
Yeah..there are those certain long cards with 20+ questions where you just have to grin and bear it. Ironically those cards are the ones that you will benefit the most from doing repetition on. So keeping that in mind helps.
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I agree. Those lysosomal diseases suck. There are no mnemonics for them. I try to associate their names with certain things. Pompe makes me think of greys anatomy, which makes me remember that yang is hardcore into cardio. Then I remember the cardiac issues. You just have to associate it with stupid things. Don't judge -_-
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Wow, I decide to check in on you guys and find iCY stirring things up again...surprise, surprise. 🙄
I also wanted to share that in my few short weeks on rotations, I feel like GT has been helpful. You may get asked about the causes or symptoms of hypercalcemia, like I was today, and knowing the list of symptoms is a big help in these situations, even if you'll never have to list such things on step 1. Let's not forget 3rd year grades and evaluations are at least as important as step 1, so doing well on rotations is important. And sure, as iCY points out, the attendings can't pimp you on things they don't know, but the questions they ask are not multiple choice so if you can elaborate and give a thorough explanation, then you look better. Looking good in those situations where you actually know what the hell is going on is important, because, as iCY also pointed out, there will be plenty of situations where you encounter things you have no idea about and look/feel like an idiot for not knowing things.
Anyways, just keep working hard guys; that's the key to step 1, third year, and beyond.
I also wanted to share that in my few short weeks on rotations, I feel like GT has been helpful. You may get asked about the causes or symptoms of hypercalcemia, like I was today, and knowing the list of symptoms is a big help in these situations, even if you'll never have to list such things on step 1. Let's not forget 3rd year grades and evaluations are at least as important as step 1, so doing well on rotations is important. And sure, as iCY points out, the attendings can't pimp you on things they don't know, but the questions they ask are not multiple choice so if you can elaborate and give a thorough explanation, then you look better. Looking good in those situations where you actually know what the hell is going on is important, because, as iCY also pointed out, there will be plenty of situations where you encounter things you have no idea about and look/feel like an idiot for not knowing things.
Anyways, just keep working hard guys; that's the key to step 1, third year, and beyond.
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Could someone please send me a free one month trial code for GT? Thank you.
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Just wanted to drop by and tell you guys to hang in there with GT. I know it's rough and you'd rather spend those extra hours doing better in your classes or on completely non-med school related activities. However, you're building an incredible knowledge base and it will pay off.
The following is my USMLE score report and summary: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12828693&postcount=2340
Ended up just shy of the 250 mark if you don't feel like reading. Should be good for where I want to be.
Anyways, just wanted to touch base and get you guys excited again about using this resource. It seems to have worked for several of us in this thread. I'll try to check back as the year goes on to help in any way I can. Please feel free to PM me with any questions or if there's something I can do to give back. Hang in there 😀
The following is my USMLE score report and summary: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12828693&postcount=2340
Ended up just shy of the 250 mark if you don't feel like reading. Should be good for where I want to be.
Anyways, just wanted to touch base and get you guys excited again about using this resource. It seems to have worked for several of us in this thread. I'll try to check back as the year goes on to help in any way I can. Please feel free to PM me with any questions or if there's something I can do to give back. Hang in there 😀
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hey y'all,
I'm at a school that does 1.5 year preclinical and then step 1 after the clinical year. I'm about 6 months away from step 1, and trying to start doing step 1 review questions throughout and annotate first aid as much as I can before getting to my dedicated time.
Gunnertraining seems like a really great resource, but I'm not sure if I missed the boat on using it effectively since I'm on the wards now and I don't know if I'd actually have enough time to use it by system, or if i'd be better off annotating first aid, using banks, and pathoma/robbins. Anyone have advice on whether it would be worth using this resource over the next 5 months or any suggestions towards something else?
I'm at a school that does 1.5 year preclinical and then step 1 after the clinical year. I'm about 6 months away from step 1, and trying to start doing step 1 review questions throughout and annotate first aid as much as I can before getting to my dedicated time.
Gunnertraining seems like a really great resource, but I'm not sure if I missed the boat on using it effectively since I'm on the wards now and I don't know if I'd actually have enough time to use it by system, or if i'd be better off annotating first aid, using banks, and pathoma/robbins. Anyone have advice on whether it would be worth using this resource over the next 5 months or any suggestions towards something else?
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Congrats Alvarez! I was wondering how things had turned out for you. Sounds like you did great too! All in all, I think we've seen a pretty damn good range of scores with GT from mid 240's to upper 270's (ipizzy). It goes without saying that this program is just one tool that can be used, but with hard work, it can be tremendously helpful.
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I thought I gave you the old thumbs up after your score came out but can't find it. At any rates, congrats to you too. As Gatsby would say, "well done old sport"
Ipizzy is a freak and I'm 99% sure he was blood doping before taking that test. Rumor has it that he did all of his NBME's in Denver and then came down here to FL to take it. His brain had too much O2. Should be illegal if you ask me 😡
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Did GT from December to April, took test in early June. Banked 400 cards, mastered most if not all of those. Got a 245, so not SDN amazing, but super happy with it as I am just a high pass med student.
Used GT, Pathoma (awesome as well!) and of course FA. Bought DIT, but returned it and do not regret doing so.
Used GT, Pathoma (awesome as well!) and of course FA. Bought DIT, but returned it and do not regret doing so.
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I thought I gave you the old thumbs up after your score came out but can't find it. At any rates, congrats to you too. As Gatsby would say, "well done old sport"
Ipizzy is a freak and I'm 99% sure he was blood doping before taking that test. Rumor has it that he did all of his NBME's in Denver and then came down here to FL to take it. His brain had too much O2. Should be illegal if you ask me 😡
I heard bath salts were involved too...some people turn into zombies on those things, other people just drop 270's like it ain't no thang.
245 is actually the sweet spot of scores. Scores below obviously aren't as good, but people who score above that are clearly social outcasts who will undoubtedly have HORRIBLE bedside manner...us 245ers are the best.
Congrats on the great score!
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lol guys.
Need more advice on how to efficiently use GT. Been on a free month trial now and doing about 5 cards a day (or, if the cards stock questions like crazy i.e. add 18 questions from this flashcard, then I limit the quiz questions to about 30~) and then I review the day's questions also. So each day is about:
New cards + questions ~ 1-1.5+ hours
Review questions ~ 10+ minutes
Note that this is also a new trial so every day's reviews so far are only like 20 questions. I'm probably slow as hell, but I usually rate things a 3 if I answer right and only bump it to 4 or 5 if it's a really stupid/easy question. Most of the time I'm thinking it's just my short-term memory kicking in... but anyways...
What are your typical schedules like when using GT, and how much time do you dedicate?
Do you go through separate subjects at a time?
Are you guys straight memorizing cards, and limiting ratings to 3 or so at first?
Also, what exactly is meant by "bank"? Never see this card again?
Need more advice on how to efficiently use GT. Been on a free month trial now and doing about 5 cards a day (or, if the cards stock questions like crazy i.e. add 18 questions from this flashcard, then I limit the quiz questions to about 30~) and then I review the day's questions also. So each day is about:
New cards + questions ~ 1-1.5+ hours
Review questions ~ 10+ minutes
Note that this is also a new trial so every day's reviews so far are only like 20 questions. I'm probably slow as hell, but I usually rate things a 3 if I answer right and only bump it to 4 or 5 if it's a really stupid/easy question. Most of the time I'm thinking it's just my short-term memory kicking in... but anyways...
What are your typical schedules like when using GT, and how much time do you dedicate?
Do you go through separate subjects at a time?
Are you guys straight memorizing cards, and limiting ratings to 3 or so at first?
Also, what exactly is meant by "bank"? Never see this card again?
I have around 150 questions a day, which takes me about an hour to 90 minutes to get through. I do them all mixed, not subject-by-subject. Then I bank a few additional cards per day, roughly 5-10. Banking just means looking at a new card you've never seen and adding its questions to your review question load. My total time per day might be around 2-3 hours.
I'm reviewing MS1 material, so I can rate lots of questions at 4 or 5 the first time depending on whether I'm up to speed on the topic. Otherwise, I rate stuff at a 2 or 3 depending on whether I used short term memory to get it (3) or didn't even get it at all (2).
