Harvard HST vs NP for MSTP

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Anyone know if there is a rule/guideline for MSTP students at harvard - to choose the NP or HST programs for the first two years?

The HST program seems science and tech heavy, which looks perfect for most MSTP aspects, but it may be much harder? NP looks as if it is geared for clinical work... HST seems much smaller (30 kids/year), so I wonder if all 10 or so MSTP folks are in there...

Are there differences in integrating both into a good PhD program? Will selecting both weaken the application at all?

Perhaps some of the Bostonians can come out of the woodwork and let me know if I am reading this correctly...
 
I applied NP only and I've been told that killed my app there. Apparently, the MD/PhD is almost all HST students. Though, we do have some Harvard incomings on the board, and if they could confirm or deny this, it would be much better information.
 
You can apply to either (or both) program. The main difference is the curricular format, with NP having lots of PBL and independent learning and HST having lots of traditional lecture time. Either will integrate well with the PhD because of the changes made in the last few years.

It was my impression that it was split about half and half in terms of MSTPs in NP versus HST. A current student or applicant's information may be of help here.
 
there is no intentional bias to either np or hst - historically has been split about half and half though recent years have occasionally gone more to hst. often times people apply to both, and a lot of successful mstp apps get into both and then choose where they want to go. they focus on the applicant rather than any sort of quota system for either track. the statistics are misleading - even though a higher percentage of hst people are mstp as compared to np, this is oftentimes by choice rather than by design.
 
That was a very informative answer, thanks.

Since I'll be spending much time over at MIT (being a BME), it might be nice to get the clinical approach NP provides. God knows I'll see enough technology classes there... 😍

I'll apply to both and sort it all out later.
 
This year there are 6 of us in NP and 6 in HST. They don't seem to care at all...in fact many of us were undecided at the revisit.
 
hi,

warning, i have very little (let's say nill) personal experience with harvard. I'm just starting their secondary.

In my opinion, if you're MD PhD but have little interest in technology (I mean Engineering/Physics/Mathematical/Computer, etc technology), i don't think you should do HST. If you just want to stick witih good old molecular bio or psychology, or immunology, or what-have-you, you may dislike HST. But then, some technology/engineering training could be extremely useful... just don't go there if you're going to really dislike it or if math scares/drives you crazy too much.

Secondly, on the link from their secondary (or somewhere on harvards webpage/material they send out witih secondary), they give precise curriculum descriptions. Go look at it. NP and HST were much more similar then i expected. yes, i noticed a difference between how much was small group. but, i don't remember which was more (I actually thought it was opposite what Vader said, but i could have forgotten).

I highly doubt selecting both could POSSIBLY reduce your chances.

on a side note, is it odd/looked down upon for a non MD-PhD to do HST. Is it significantly tougher for a non MD PHD to get into HST then a MSTP s tudent? (given same research experience, grades,etc).

Sonya
 
There are about 30 new HST students per year. Of those, only around 5-6 are MD/PhD students. Therefore, most of the students are going for the MD and this is not looked down on at all. In fact, there are some students there who chose to do the MD HST pathway over MSTP programs.
 
It sounds like the NP and HST are almost separate med. schools - they each have their own mini admissions commitee? I wonder how they get along...

Anyway, I am an engineering/science/technology freak, one of the main reasons I like their program is MIT! 😍 (can you tell I like boston and MIT?)

So... Looks like they do it the right way...
 
I'd definitely apply to both NP and HST with your MSTP app at this point. You'll learn more about which would be best for you later. If you want more specific info about the programs, ask someone who actually goes there, like bailey. =)
 
Since I can't sleep tonight, perhaps I can clarify some things for you....

I am a first-year MSTP student traveling on the HST pathway. As Bailey has indicated, we are almost perfectly split between NP and HST curriculum this year. And, of that make-up, I know of students who applied to NP alone, HST alone and both programs. Personally, I applied to both programs because I didn't know what would be a better fit for me until I interviewed.

*As a sidenote, we all get along... as a reply to the speculation above in this thread that NP and HST may not get along. 🙂Although for the first two years we will be attending different pre-clinical courses, the clinical years of both the NP and HST curriculum are the same. Like other mudphud classes, though, we cook dinners for each other, meet at a pub after a hard day and even managed to go out dancing one Friday night. After our summer of bonding through the summer class and rotation, we are all focused on the fact that it may take a little more effort to stay in close contact across the different pathways during the stressful times of anatomy, but in my opinion, this just made us even the more committed to doing so.

As for the more fundamental differences between the programs....

The HST entering class is 30 students each year, and this curriculum strives to bridge biology and engineering approaches to medicine. My undergraduate education is in biomedical engineering, but my research interest is in genetics and development biology... for me, even as a 'biologist', I don't see the technical aspects of the curriculum as a negative. Remember, HST students take all of the basic science just like other med students. As for the opinion that this curriculum is 'less clinical', this is a misconception. Like New Pathway students, I will take a course with my first exposure to patients this semester... the HST program has passionate students interested in treating patients just like any other med school program...
As rumored, the class hours are long (much longer than that of NP), but the small class size is definitely a plus for me. I attended lectures while decided and was blown away by the close-knit family atmosphere that this small size induced. As a sidenote, HST runs on a semester schedule so you can sub/work in grad courses at Harvard or MIT (as time allows).

I am a less valuable source about the NP program... but the summary is as follows... short, big lectures in the mornings (120 med students + the dental students) and then the students break done into their tutorial groups... for some PBL style learning. NP is done in blocks.... aka, one course at a time for several weeks at a time... and is known for relying more on self-inspired and directed learning. NP students have more free time, and some MD-PhD students see this as a major benefit because they have more time in the first semesters to get into lab. As a sidenote, Harvard indicates that they are reworking the NP curriculum... so I do not know how much of this basic information will change over the coming years.

Hope this information helps... and best of luck to all of you in your applications.
 
can somebody point me to the secondary website? i want to print it out today...
 
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