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According to the dean, Temple is often refered as "harvard of the podiatry school." Well, I didn't know but it's nice to know. I guess the perspective students have to consider Temple, right?

Well, I guess if the Dean of Temple refers to Temple as "the Harvard of podiatry" and he does so often, than he is technically telling the truth :laugh:

But in all fairness, I do know some great students from Temple.
 
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Well, I guess if the Dean of Temple refers to Temple as "the Harvard of podiatry" and he does so often, than he is technically telling the truth :laugh:

But in all fairness, I do know some great students from Temple.

by harvard of podiatry is referring to hard to get into but they inflate grades so everyone graduates with close to a 4.0?

or

Is he talking about the closest podiatry school to harvard?

or

Is he talking about comparing it to Harvard Med, where most of the learning is book learning and lacking in clinical? (common misconception of harvard)

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Is he trying to say that temple is as old as Harvard?


really what does that statement mean? the Harvard of __________.

Harvard has sued some other institutions for using their name. Temple better watch out.

Wait, I just thought of another one, maybe it is because they have the same school colors as Harvard?
 

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According to the dean, Temple is often refered as "harvard of the podiatry school." Well, I didn't know but it's nice to know. I guess the perspective students have to consider Temple, right?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Whats so bad about Temple? I mean obviously everyone here thinks DMU is the best school in the world, and knocks on any other school that people might consider to be the best, but why wouldn't a prospective student consider Temple? There seems to be big egos going around, as far as students from certain schools. In the end, we're all going to be colleagues and working under the same profession. Is it really necessary for people to put others down for the school they go to or are considering going to, just because Student X goes to the top of the 8 schools. Really, who cares? I hope I dont get bombarded with hate for this post, but its how I've been feeling about certain threads lately. Dont hate me people!
 

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Well for a long time the most distinct schools in the country were Temple and the California school. The california school then had problems in the late nineties but is now on it's way up again. Temple has always been a great school but in the past couple of years DMU and Scholl have come up in the ranks to be great schools too. So I think they receive a lot of attention on SDN because of that and other schools don't. So the dean says Temple is referred to as the harvard of Podiatry schools. I don't know if that's true or not but the fact is it is a great school and every school says great things about themselves to sell themselves to the prospective students.
 

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I agree with you, p.diidy and bdaddyjolley!

I'm also going to stick up for Temple because this is the only source that I've read (or heard) that it was anything less than a great school to attend. That doesn't mean that other schools can't be great too. Given that there are no official rankings, I'm taking the dean's statement as opinion, and the dean of the school is allowed to express his personal opinion. If he didn't believe it, I'm hoping he wouldn't have said it!

Healthy competition is always a great thing, but it seems as though sometimes people get a little too overzealous with their school pride and start putting down other schools to make their school (and themselves, by proxy) seem better. Bad mouthing other schools to inflate your own ego only hurts the profession because you're implying to the peeps reading these forums that 1/4th, or 1/2, or 7/8ths, or whatever of the people that are coming out of any graduating class across the country are charlatans or quacks who went to bad schools when that's really not the case. What's the benefit of portraying yourself as a winner among losers? I've definitely heard from some pods that there are some schools that make success in the field a little easier to achieve, but I've never heard anyone say that any of the schools are as bad as they're portrayed here.

There is always going to be room for improvement at all of the schools, and there are better ways to achieve these improvements than trying to rub the names of other schools in the dirt because everyone loses in the end.
 

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Whats so bad about Temple? I mean obviously everyone here thinks DMU is the best school in the world, and knocks on any other school that people might consider to be the best, but why wouldn't a prospective student consider Temple? There seems to be big egos going around, as far as students from certain schools. In the end, we're all going to be colleagues and working under the same profession. Is it really necessary for people to put others down for the school they go to or are considering going to, just because Student X goes to the top of the 8 schools. Really, who cares? I hope I dont get bombarded with hate for this post, but its how I've been feeling about certain threads lately. Dont hate me people!

I interviewed at Temple, and I must say, I did not consider it the "Harvard". I am not attacking the school. To me, most people think of Harvard as synonymous with the best. I personally did not agree, but that is one persons opinion.

My only real problem is that he does not qualify his statement. WHO refers to it as the Harvard of podiatry schools? THe statement is not backed with substance. He does not tell us who thinks of it this way (making it just an unsubstantiated opinion). That is the only thing that bothers me.
 

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I agree with diidy i am tired of everybody on SDN putting down any school that is not either DMU, Scholl or AZPOD. To be honest AZPOD hasn't even graduated a class, it is a great school but not worthy of such praise. Any school is great. It really depends on the student more than the school. After reading all the posts for months i feel it was time to say something. No hard feelings, we will all do well no matter where you go if you are willing to put ion the hours.
 

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...Healthy competition is always a great thing, but it seems as though sometimes people get a little too overzealous with their school pride and start putting down other schools to make their school (and themselves, by proxy) seem better. Bad mouthing other schools to inflate your own ego only hurts the profession because you're implying to the peeps reading these forums that 1/4th, or 1/2, or 7/8ths, or whatever of the people that are coming out of any graduating class across the country are charlatans or quacks who went to bad schools when that's really not the case. What's the benefit of portraying yourself as a winner among losers? I've definitely heard from some pods that there are some schools that make success in the field a little easier to achieve, but I've never heard anyone say that any of the schools are as bad as they're portrayed here.

There is always going to be room for improvement at all of the schools, and there are better ways to achieve these improvements than trying to rub the names of other schools in the dirt because everyone loses in the end.
ding ding ding^^

diidy, bdaddy, phpod, and masterh's posts above have hit the nail on the head in my opinion. That is fairly impressive to me considering that they haven't even begun as pod students yet.

I've heard Temple referred to as the "mecca of podiatry" by well respected students and DPMs who are alumni of other schools. Temple does certainly have some well distinguished graduates and great faculty, but so does each pod school...

-DMU might be the hardest pod school to get into at present and has had good board pass rates
-Scholl is another school rich in tradition, and they seem to spend the most on marketing and therefore attract many pretty good students
-OCPM has some very strong professors and alumni also
-Cali school was one of the pioneer programs for biomechanics and gait research, but they have suffered many administration and name changes recently
-NYCPM was the trailblazer as the first pod school over a century ago
-AZPod hasn't even put out graduating class yet, but early board pass rate was perfect (but how much attrition did they need to get it there?)

The only school I can really comment on is Barry since that's where I go. The school is newer (1985), so none of their graduates are even 20yrs past graduation yet. The hardest workers who did lengthy residencies and maybe a fellowship are still very new into their actual practice careers. Barry still has some highly notable alumni already in that short timespan, and I think the program, clinics, and campus are a fine place to get a good podiatric education if one applies themself. Many students from Barry take externships/residencies/jobs in the southeast US because they enjoy the climate. The problem there may be that there aren't really any other pod schools nearby where those students go, and that may be part of the equation: other schools fear what they don't really know?

In the end, though, I agree it's frivilous for pod schools to bash one another when the profession is so small already. It doesn't get us anywhere at all and can only hurt the public opinion of DPMs. I don't like it when a few of my professors occasionally joke on OCPM as having little clinical skill or kid around about NYCPM taking the people who flunk out here. Having pride in your current pod school or being a proud alumni is one thing, but there's no need to bash other schools to do that...

I'd go so far as to say that if you took the top 10 or so graduates from each school, you will probably find very few differences... all passed their boards first try, all care about learning and study hard, and all get one of their top choice PMS-36 residencies. The students graduating near the bottom of the class at each school might start to show a gap from school to school, but that's not who I aspire to be, so I'm not really all too concerned with that. I hope all pod programs will continue to get better and better applicants as has been the recent trend lately. I am a republican, but I have to thank Bill Clinton for paving the way in post-secondary educational funding so that basically any US kid can now go to college if they want to... pre-meds are getting to be a dime a dozen which floods medical graduate programs with more and better appliations :)

How would a pod school would keep its accreditation and place its graduates into residencies if they couldn't teach you what you need to know? Is it some big AACPM conspiracy lol? If there were 3 pod schools in each state (or even region), then rankings would be more nescessary, but pre-pod students have very limited choices and may choose simply based on location of family/climate/etc. I think they'll do great at any school if they want to learn, will work hard, and are truly interested in the profession.
 

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I understand that everyone is sick of the my school is the best rhetoric, but maybe someone should tell the dean at Temple that it is comments like his that incite this sort of decisiveness. Oh yeah, by the way my school is better than yours!:D
 

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I understand that everyone is sick of the my school is the best rhetoric, but maybe someone should tell the dean at Temple that it is comments like his that incite this sort of decisiveness. Oh yeah, by the way my school is better than yours!:D

I agree with Gusty - his school is the best.

As to Feli's post...
I do not agree that anyone can get a great education at any school. Some school's atmospheres are so different that learning is number 1 and BS is last where as other schools BS comes first as does clinic and being a slave for the school. I'd rather go where learning comes first.

I agree it does nothing to lift the profession to bash each otehrs schools. I don't bash other schools I just tell it like I see it, even if it means bashing my own school.

I think that prospective students deserve the truth about the pod schools that they might go to. Nothing s_cks more than feeling like you were duped into going to the "harvard" of pod schools. Then you get there and realize that that can't possibly be true.
 
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Wait and see. You may disagree with all of the 3rd and 4th year students now, but minus Feli, you haven't taken one class yet.

Oh and I agree, the Dean should say that his program is better than penicillin b/c if he thinks his program is crap there are some real problems.
 
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Youth = Ignorance.

Wait and see. You may disagree with all of the 3rd and 4th year students now, but minus Feli, you haven't taken one class yet.

Oh and I agree, the Dean should say that his program is better than penicillin b/c if he thinks his program is crap there are some real problems.

"The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age brings wisdom." - I have no idea who said this, but its one of my favorite quotes.

The point of my argument wasn't to rail against 3rd or 4th year students--which really has nothing to do with anything. That only means that pod school is in your past, and it's in our future; we are in the position to mold our educations for the better. My point was to say that stating your school is the bestest in the world is fine, but it shouldn't come at the expense of berating the quality of other schools, especially when these forums seem to only have people from the two supposedly best schools and hardly anyone from the other supposedly bad schools to refute/corroborate these statements. It only makes it look like a majority of pods come from poor education and that the profession has a bunch of talentless quacks in it. I really don't want to be part of a profession where there are only two "elite" schools and six sub par schools to create the next generation of below average professionals--even if I decide I want to matriculate at one of those "elite" schools. I'd also like to point out that I'm fine with people discussing the negatives of their own schools because at least we know that they've actually experienced the negatives rather than projecting those negative feelings on other schools without warrant.
 
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"The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age brings wisdom." - I have no idea who said this, but its one of my favorite quotes.

The point of my argument wasn't to rail against 3rd or 4th year students--which really has nothing to do with anything. That only means that pod school is in your past, and it's in our future; we are in the position to mold our educations for the better. My point was to say that stating your school is the bestest in the world is fine, but it shouldn't come at the expense of berating the quality of other schools, especially when these forums seem to only have people from the two supposedly best schools and hardly anyone from the other supposedly bad schools to refute/corroborate these statements. It only makes it look like a majority of pods come from poor education and that the profession has a bunch of talentless quacks in it. I really don't want to be part of a profession where there are only two "elite" schools and six sub par schools to create the next generation of below average professionals--even if I decide I want to matriculate at one of those "elite" schools. I'd also like to point out that I'm fine with people discussing the negatives of their own schools because at least we know that they've actually experienced the negatives rather than projecting those negative feelings on other schools without warrant.

I think that is well stated. My point of bring up the shortcomings of schools is to inform the pod students of the future. Every school is going to tell you they are the best so that students can visit at least one. If you do not see the pace setters, you can be tricked into believing things that are not true (such as claims that DMU has high pass rates b/c we don't let everyone take the boards, or that NYCPM is the only school with an on campus clinic).

I personally challenge the schools NOT the students. I know that this seems weird, but I do not blame the students for poor board pass rates or having a 4.0 along with 7 of your closest friends. That is not the students fault that is the fault of the leaders of these schools. But getting these people to listen is very tough.

I tend to advertise against these poorly lead schools b/c money is the only thing that they listen too. SO, to get their attention pre-pod students need to say, we want the best education. Reevaluate your program or watch the best and brightest leave.

My posts have only 2 purposes: 1) Inform others, or 2) Criticism in hopes of change.
 
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Also, Temple was the best but a saying I love is "adapt or die." They refuse to adapt and have held on too long to the notion they don't need to change.
 

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what are your main criticisms of all the schools excluding DMU (what makes DMU far superior to all other schools)? and what makes you the expert on every pod school? just curious.
 
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what are your main criticisms of all the schools excluding DMU (what makes DMU far superior to all other schools)? and what makes you the expert on every pod school? just curious.

I'd rather PM on this info b/c it is opinion not fact. I don't want my opinion to be taken the wrong way.
 

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...I personally challenge the schools NOT the students. I know that this seems weird, but I do not blame the students for poor board pass rates...
This seems crazy to me. How can you blame the colleges when the students have all of the answers sitting in the required textbooks and their class notes? Every school has some great professors and some mediocre ones, but they will all attempt to present the material as best they can and the rest is up to the student.

Do you really think that it's the pod school's fault when a pod student gets a C in LEA or fails a physio test? Or do you think maybe that student skipped class, didn't start studying until 2 days before the test, or doesn't have the talent to grasp the material in the first place?

I'll go back to saying that students fail or perform poorly for 2 main reasons:
1) They didn't study enough
2) They didn't have enough natural talent in the first place

^I don't really understand how either of those is the school's fault. The only argument is that the school doesn't make the subject interesting enough for the student to want to study, but we both know that's BS. The natural talent factor is just based on what kind of people apply to the school; professors aren't miracle workers. Any school on Earth would benefit from better matriculants.
 

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This seems crazy to me. How can you blame the colleges when the students have all of the answers sitting in the required textbooks and their class notes? Every school has some great professors and some mediocre ones, but they will all attempt to present the material as best they can and the rest is up to the student.

Do you really think that it's the pod school's fault when a pod student gets a C in LEA or fails a physio test? Or do you think maybe that student skipped class, didn't start studying until 2 days before the test, or doesn't have the talent to grasp the material in the first place?

I'll go back to saying that students fail or perform poorly for 2 main reasons:
1) They didn't study enough
2) They didn't have enough natural talent in the first place

^I don't really understand how either of those is the school's fault. The only argument is that the school doesn't make the subject interesting enough for the student to want to study, but we both know that's BS. The natural talent factor is just based on what kind of people apply to the school; professors aren't miracle workers. Any school on Earth would benefit from better matriculants.

It is the school's fault when they continue to pass along students with a C average that was earned by taking re-evals and remediation. If you have to re-eval or remediate LEA there is a problem.
 

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You can blame all the schools for passing a "C" student along and graduating them. Ultimately it does come down on the student. This is medical school and everyone has to realize that things cannot and will not be spoon fed to someone. When you enter podiatry school you have to realize the financial burden that you are undertaking and you should use that as a motivation to do the best that you can. If this means studying 6 hours every night, then that's the sacrifice that you have to take.

With that kind of grade point, you will find out that there aren't many options for residency out there. Right now, you might be able to skirt by and get into a good program, but once again, you won't be spoon fed how to be a resident. So if you start showing your true colors and demonstrate why you're a "C" student, more than likely you won't go on to your 2nd year. (residencies don't worry about attrition rates when it comes to liability)
Besides, the number of residency programs vary from year to year, so don't bank on the fact that there aren't enough students for all of the residencies. If you put in the time and the effort, it's all worth it in the end. As they say, you can either work hard now, or you have to work hard later.

It's healthy competition for everyone to say, "my school is better than your school", but remember that we're all in this together and ultimately we are ALL the best when it comes to foot and ankle treatment!:thumbup:
 

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Also, Temple was the best but a saying I love is "adapt or die." They refuse to adapt and have held on too long to the notion they don't need to change.

Good point however Temple has started to adapt and make changes recently from what I hear from current students and former students. DPMgrad has sent me numerous PM's about Temple and the changes they've made since he graduated I believe in 2002. The changes I sound very positive. So in the past it is possible that they wouldn't change certain things but now there is a lot going on to continue to improve the education and quality of the students.
 
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This seems crazy to me. How can you blame the colleges when the students have all of the answers sitting in the required textbooks and their class notes? Every school has some great professors and some mediocre ones, but they will all attempt to present the material as best they can and the rest is up to the student.

Do you really think that it's the pod school's fault when a pod student gets a C in LEA or fails a physio test? Or do you think maybe that student skipped class, didn't start studying until 2 days before the test, or doesn't have the talent to grasp the material in the first place?

I'll go back to saying that students fail or perform poorly for 2 main reasons:
1) They didn't study enough
2) They didn't have enough natural talent in the first place

^I don't really understand how either of those is the school's fault. The only argument is that the school doesn't make the subject interesting enough for the student to want to study, but we both know that's BS. The natural talent factor is just based on what kind of people apply to the school; professors aren't miracle workers. Any school on Earth would benefit from better matriculants.

I don't blame the faculty, I blame the leaders. That was my point. They can take better students and crackdown on mediocrity.
 

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Youth = Ignorance.

Wait and see. You may disagree with all of the 3rd and 4th year students now, but minus Feli, you haven't taken one class yet.

Oh and I agree, the Dean should say that his program is better than penicillin b/c if he thinks his program is crap there are some real problems.

Don't you think posts like that are a little harsh? Youth=ignorance? You're right, I haven't taken a class yet but I was simply stating how I felt about certain threads. Saying DMU is the best thing since sliced bread in those words and other words doesnt advocate good moral for the students who dont go there. Im not saying DMU is not one of the best schools, if not the best, but that is an opinion and can differ from one person to another. I just dont like how if you aren't praising DMU or Scholl, and are instead praising some other school, you are immediately considered "ignorant". What does it do for the moral of beginning students like me who aren't going to DMU? Should I be ashamed, or should I be afraid to post how I feel because a 3rd or 4th year knows better than I do? I like how much help and advice this forum provided me and continues to provide me as I search for a school I want to attend this Fall, but lately some of the posts have made me want to turn elsewhere for advice. It's one thing to have pride for your school but its another thing to boast and put others down. Even if its not intentional...sometimes it can hurt others. Not trying to be mean here, just stating my thoughts.
 
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Don't you think posts like that are a little harsh? Youth=ignorance? You're right, I haven't taken a class yet but I was simply stating how I felt about certain threads. Saying DMU is the best thing since sliced bread in those words and other words doesnt advocate good moral for the students who dont go there. Im not saying DMU is not one of the best schools, if not the best, but that is an opinion and can differ from one person to another. I just dont like how if you aren't praising DMU or Scholl, and are instead praising some other school, you are immediately considered "ignorant". What does it do for the moral of beginning students like me who aren't going to DMU? Should I be ashamed, or should I be afraid to post how I feel because a 3rd or 4th year knows better than I do? I like how much help and advice this forum provided me and continues to provide me as I search for a school I want to attend this Fall, but lately some of the posts have made me want to turn elsewhere for advice. It's one thing to have pride for your school but its another thing to boast and put others down. Even if its not intentional...sometimes it can hurt others. Not trying to be mean here, just stating my thoughts.

Do you know the definition of ignorance? Ignorance is "lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified." It is common for people to think that ignorance is stupidity (to be careless or unintelligent). Youth is ignorance. If you have a lack of experience, your comments are ignorant.

Does that shed light on the post?
 

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Don't you think posts like that are a little harsh? Youth=ignorance? You're right, I haven't taken a class yet but I was simply stating how I felt about certain threads. Saying DMU is the best thing since sliced bread in those words and other words doesnt advocate good moral for the students who dont go there. Im not saying DMU is not one of the best schools, if not the best, but that is an opinion and can differ from one person to another. I just dont like how if you aren't praising DMU or Scholl, and are instead praising some other school, you are immediately considered "ignorant". What does it do for the moral of beginning students like me who aren't going to DMU? Should I be ashamed, or should I be afraid to post how I feel because a 3rd or 4th year knows better than I do? I like how much help and advice this forum provided me and continues to provide me as I search for a school I want to attend this Fall, but lately some of the posts have made me want to turn elsewhere for advice. It's one thing to have pride for your school but its another thing to boast and put others down. Even if its not intentional...sometimes it can hurt others. Not trying to be mean here, just stating my thoughts.

I do not go to DMU, and I think it is the best school.

It also has the best reputation when it comes to residency placement for many top residencies.

Politics of which school you go to can play a big role in the residency that you get.

I'm not saying that all the other schools are bad or that if you go to one of them you won't get a residency.

IMO it is about getting the residency that you want, not the one that is left over in the scramble.
 

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Do you know the definition of ignorance? Ignorance is "lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified." It is common for people to think that ignorance is stupidity (to be careless or unintelligent). Youth is ignorance. If you have a lack of experience, your comments are ignorant.

Does that shed light on the post?
I know what you mean, but the choice of words didnt sit well with me. You said yourself its common for people to think of ignorace with a negative connotation and thats because the word is often meant to be used that way. But okay, lets not fight, I dont want to burn bridges here. I know what you meant now and thats that.
 
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I know what you mean, but the choice of words didnt sit well with me. You said yourself its common for people to think of ignorace with a negative connotation and thats because the word is often meant to be used that way. But okay, lets not fight, I dont want to burn bridges here. I know what you meant now and thats that.

Have you not heard that ignorance is bliss? I chose my words carefully so so please do not read into my posts. Generally it is sarcasm.

That being said, and I mean his in the nicest way. I do care what anyone thinks of me and my opinions, they are just that. I do not understand this new PC crap that is going on. Maybe it is the differences in generations but it goes back to the general lack of respect I see from Generation Entitlement. Maybe you should look at your tone?:thumbup:
 

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Don't you think posts like that are a little harsh? Youth=ignorance? You're right, I haven't taken a class yet but I was simply stating how I felt about certain threads. Saying DMU is the best thing since sliced bread in those words and other words doesnt advocate good moral for the students who dont go there. Im not saying DMU is not one of the best schools, if not the best, but that is an opinion and can differ from one person to another. I just dont like how if you aren't praising DMU or Scholl, and are instead praising some other school, you are immediately considered "ignorant". What does it do for the moral of beginning students like me who aren't going to DMU? Should I be ashamed, or should I be afraid to post how I feel because a 3rd or 4th year knows better than I do? I like how much help and advice this forum provided me and continues to provide me as I search for a school I want to attend this Fall, but lately some of the posts have made me want to turn elsewhere for advice. It's one thing to have pride for your school but its another thing to boast and put others down. Even if its not intentional...sometimes it can hurt others. Not trying to be mean here, just stating my thoughts.

I think you just contradicted your whole argument. Everything on here is opinion with very few exceptions. I'm only a 1st year and I too have much to learn, but I have definitely learned a few things and having talked to students from other schools and hearing about their frustrations and faculties lack of enthusiasm just to teach unsettles me because it does not exist at every school. We just had a class meeting today and one of the subjects brought up was a very small group of students concern about the basic science faculty apparent lack of respect to 1st year DPM's vs. 1st year DO's. Our dean pretty much negated that by saying that the anatomy (this was about our anatomy profs) can't wait to teach the DPM's LEA because we're so much better (respectful, show up to class, do extremely well on tests) and that DO's can't touch us in that respect. Anyways, the point of the story is that not all schools are equal and some will always be regarded as higher in the eyes of many and it's up to you, the future student, to go to each school and evaluate it as they evaluate you and it's up to the students to let the higher ups know your disgust or praise for how they run the ship so that they can change their school. Believe it or not, most schools listen to their students and in fact encourage them to speak up if something isn't up to their standards. Feelgoods comments are just opinions and you need to take them with a grain of salt, do your own evaluation and determine which school will be the best fit for you.
 
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