Has my pub been accepted?

[nemo123]

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My PI sent a paper to be reviewed at a journal and I received an email today that says that it can't be published in its current form, and it says that the editors will consider a resubmission. Does this mean this paper has been accepted pending revisions? It sounded more like it was rejected unless the manuscript was significantly improved...

 

[mehc012]

Usually you get some suggestions from them...take them, edit/rewrite it, and try again. It means exactly what you quoted: THIS version of the paper has been rejected. Future versions may not be.

It does not mean:
- Accepted pending revision: it may be, but there is no guarantee at ALL
- They are not interested in the topic: sometimes, no amount of revision will get your paper published. This is not that.

 

[mmmcdowe]

My PI sent a paper to be reviewed at a journal and I received an email today that says that it can't be published in its current form, and it says that the editors will consider a resubmission. Does this mean this paper has been accepted pending revisions? It sounded more like it was rejected unless the manuscript was significantly improved...

Definitely rejected. If they gave you suggestions revise it, if not try another journal.

 

[45408]

it was rejected

Yes.

 

[nemo123]

They gave us a couple of suggestions to improve the paper. The things that confuses me is that if this version of the paper seems to have been rejected, but the current status says that they are waiting for the revision though, which makes me think it's been accepted pending revisions...

 

[La Presse]

They gave us a couple of suggestions to improve the paper. The things that confuses me is that if this version of the paper seems to have been rejected, but the current status says that they are waiting for the revision though, which makes me think it's been accepted pending revisions...

Do not complicate things. just try another journal.

 

[nemo123]

^ I think my PI is just going to go forward and implement the changes that the reviewers sent us... We actually did send this paper to another journal before this and we got rejected from that one too lol.

 

[mehc012]

^ I think my PI is just going to go forward and implement the changes that the reviewers sent us... We actually did send this paper to another journal before this and we got rejected from that one too lol.

If they sent you revisions, it would be ridiculous not to implement them and try again. It doesn't take that much time, and journals aren't exactly stingy with rejection notices. If they don't want you to resubmit, they will tell you not to.

 

[sector9]

They gave us a couple of suggestions to improve the paper. The things that confuses me is that if this version of the paper seems to have been rejected, but the current status says that they are waiting for the revision though, which makes me think it's been accepted pending revisions...

If the communication from the editors of the journal doesn't contain the word "accepted", then it wasn't accepted.

Unfortunately, your paper was rejected but could be resubmitted to the same journal if you fix enough stuff with it. The editors aren't guaranteeing that the paper will be published if you resubmit it, but they're leaving the option open if you change the paper enough.

If your paper had been "accepted pending revisions", then the editors would want you to fix a few small details with the paper but they would be guaranteeing publication after you work with them to fix it up.

 

[mehc012]

If the communication from the editors of the journal doesn't contain the word "accepted", then it wasn't accepted.

Unfortunately, your paper was rejected but could be resubmitted to the same journal if you fix enough stuff with it. The editors aren't guaranteeing that the paper will be published if you resubmit it, but they're leaving the option open if you change the paper enough.

If your paper had been "accepted pending revisions", then the editors would want you to fix a few small details with the paper but they would be guaranteeing publication after you work with them to fix it up.

This.

Also, isn't this your PI's decision? Shouldn't you be asking him, since he presumably has a lot more experience with these procedures than anyone here in the PreMed forum?

 

[PoopHeadDegree]

If the communication from the editors of the journal doesn't contain the word "accepted", then it wasn't accepted.

Unfortunately, your paper was rejected but could be resubmitted to the same journal if you fix enough stuff with it. The editors aren't guaranteeing that the paper will be published if you resubmit it, but they're leaving the option open if you change the paper enough.

If your paper had been "accepted pending revisions", then the editors would want you to fix a few small details with the paper but they would be guaranteeing publication after you work with them to fix it up.

This.

These days, in decent journals, papers are never accepted on the first submission. Just address every point that the reviewers bring up. As long as you satisfy them the second time around, you'll be good to go. That being said, its still a crap-shoot on resubmission.

 

[nemo123]

Thanks for responses! I don't really want to bother my PI about it, so I wanted to ask the forum here.

So from here onwards, what happens? We carry out the experiments that the reviewers want us to add to the paper, send it, and it goes into the review process (They say we have 3 months to make the revisions and to send it back to them). Then it goes back into the review process, and what are the possible outcomes from the review process? Is it rejected, accepted pending revisions, or accepted this time around?

Also, then are a lot of papers accepted pending revisions the first time around?

 

[mehc012]

Thanks for responses! I don't really want to bother my PI about it, so I wanted to ask the forum here.

So from here onwards, what happens? We carry out the experiments that the reviewers want us to add to the paper, send it, and it goes into the review process (They say we have 3 months to make the revisions and to send it back to them). Then it goes back into the review process, and what are the possible outcomes from the review process? Is it rejected, accepted pending revisions, or accepted this time around?

Also, then are a lot of papers accepted pending revisions the first time around?

The possible outcomes from the review process remain the same: acceptance, rejection, or suggestions. If accepted, you will probably have to do some more revision...that's just part of getting your paper in.

Any time they suggest more experiments, it is NOT 'accepted pending revision' as you are not simply revising it, but doing further testing.

You're working in a lab enough to have a paper in the works, but you can't discuss said paper with your PI? How are you even getting a paper if you can't manage to talk to your PI about even simple, highly-relevant matters? Do you plan on getting a rec from him?
So much 😕

 

[Praefectus]

if the communication from the editors of the journal doesn't contain the word "accepted", then it wasn't accepted.

unfortunately, your paper was rejected but could be resubmitted to the same journal if you fix enough stuff with it. The editors aren't guaranteeing that the paper will be published if you resubmit it, but they're leaving the option open if you change the paper enough.

If your paper had been "accepted pending revisions", then the editors would want you to fix a few small details with the paper but they would be guaranteeing publication after you work with them to fix it up.

+1

 

[45408]

Thanks for responses! I don't really want to bother my PI about it, so I wanted to ask the forum here.

What?? This is exactly the sort of thing your PI wants to be "bothered" with. Publications of almost any sort reflect well on the lab publishing them, so this matters a great deal to your PI.

 

[nemo123]

Lol, I meant that I don't want to bombard him with a million questions about the technicalities of publishing and annoy him.

 

[mehc012]

Lol, I meant that I don't want to bombard him with a million questions about the technicalities of publishing and annoy him.

Yyyyeah, but if this had been a convo and not a thread, it would have taken all of ~2min. More than likely, you would have asked a generic question ('so, does this imply that we will likely be accepted if we resubmit with these revisions?') and he would have responded by explaining the process, the typical responses from journals, and what he thinks you should do next.

Again, if you don't have a decent enough relationship with your PI that you can ask a few relevant questions, I'm not sure what you're doing in the lab.

 

[nemo123]

Yyyyeah, but if this had been a convo and not a thread, it would have taken all of ~2min. More than likely, you would have asked a generic question ('so, does this imply that we will likely be accepted if we resubmit with these revisions?') and he would have responded by explaining the process, the typical responses from journals, and what he thinks you should do next.

Again, if you don't have a decent enough relationship with your PI that you can ask a few relevant questions, I'm not sure what you're doing in the lab.

I think I need to put my situation into perspective because you keep on zoning in on this point. I am no longer working in this lab. This paper was the result of the work I did for a couple of years up until a year ago, and they finished up the manuscript after I left. This is why I decided to ask the people here because I don't want to send a random email to my PI asking about the technicalities of publishing.

 

[mehc012]

I think I need to put my situation into perspective because you keep on zoning in on this point. I am no longer working in this lab. This paper was the result of the work I did for a couple of years up until a year ago, and they finished up the manuscript after I left. This is why I decided to ask the people here because I don't want to send a random email to my PI asking about the technicalities of publishing.

Ah, I didn't realize that you weren't the one submitting/writing the paper. I was very confused at the idea of you being involved enough to write a paper but not communicating regularly with the PI. Sorry if I came across as rude, I think the phrase 'my publication,' while correct in your situation, just got me on the wrong track from the beginning!

 

[lovesfall]

Sometimes you get feedback from the journals that sounds really negative and they end up taking it anyway. If it's feasible, rework it to address the issues they identified and resubmit. If they really don't want it it will probably be clear from the kind of feedback they gave you. In that case, resubmit unless it's too labor intensive but consider alternate journals where it may be a better fit.

 

[Pattycake25]

Thanks for responses! I don't really want to bother my PI about it, so I wanted to ask the forum here.

So from here onwards, what happens? We carry out the experiments that the reviewers want us to add to the paper, send it, and it goes into the review process (They say we have 3 months to make the revisions and to send it back to them). Then it goes back into the review process, and what are the possible outcomes from the review process? Is it rejected, accepted pending revisions, or accepted this time around?

Also, then are a lot of papers accepted pending revisions the first time around?

My recommendation would be to look for other journals to possibly submit to. Asking for more experimentation in a manuscript is a pretty big modification even when you're still at the same lab, but then again, they gave you a lead and a window, so clearly they are at least nibbling at the line. Therefore, don't count this journal out yet.

After you find other options, go ahead and describe the situation to your PI. Tell him your thoughts, and find out his interest in the extra experiments. I have a hard time believing he would resent such a focused discussion, and wouldn't help you decide on a course of action.