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I was just wondering why so many students on the SDN seem dislike Georgetown?
I wouldn't exactly call what I feel outright hatred... but I sure bothers me that even though their average stats are just that... average...they turn away people with great qualifications and send them a letter that makes them feel inferior to what they are looking for. And often, that letter comes IMMEDIATELY after the secondary is sent in (implying that they are not even going to consider you whatsoever after you have sent them $105 to at least be given a fair shot.) Just seems a bit audacious to reject top applicants in August and September before seeing a larger pool.demalo said:I was just wondering why so many students on the SDN seem dislike Georgetown?
RunMimi said:A lot of people here are very into research and the research rankings. Those who aren't tend to be attracted to states schools (and their good price). Georgetown has shortcomings in both research $ and tuition.
curiouslygeorge said:And often, that letter comes IMMEDIATELY after the secondary is sent in (implying that they are not even going to consider you whatsoever after you have sent them $105 to at least be given a fair shot.)
curiouslygeorge said:I wouldn't exactly call what I feel outright hatred... but I sure bothers me that even though their average stats are just that... average...they turn away people with great qualifications and send them a letter that makes them feel inferior to what they are looking for. And often, that letter comes IMMEDIATELY after the secondary is sent in (implying that they are not even going to consider you whatsoever after you have sent them $105 to at least be given a fair shot.) Just seems a bit audacious to reject top applicants in August and September before seeing a larger pool.
demalo said:But don't most private ( not top 10-15) have relativley low researh budgets
(under 100M)and high tuition? Dartmouth, Brown, Wake, Tufts, Jefferson, MCW, GW, Tulane...and the list keeps going. It seems like there is something else there that I am not quite grasping. I can understand the rejecting relatively well-rounded candidates right after the secondary as being part of it-BUT most of my backup schools rejeceted me right away. It seems like there is some genuine dislike coming from somewhere.
TexasSnow said:They are very explicit regarding their "filter" approach, i.e. if you don't meet their average GPA and MCAT scores, you don't have a prayer. It sucks that people sent in $100 checks only to be rejected 3 days later, but G'town's approach is stated on their secondary application form.
Just my $0.02
striped sweater said:still... doesn't make sense. lots of people with super high stats (well above the gtown average) and significant ec's were dropped as soon as their checks were cashed, while others with lower qualifications passed the filter. i am sure this is not the only reason people dislike the place, but it is a good start.
demalo said:I was just wondering why so many students on the SDN seem dislike Georgetown?
striped sweater said:still... doesn't make sense. lots of people with super high stats (well above the gtown average) and significant ec's were dropped as soon as their checks were cashed, while others with lower qualifications passed the filter. i am sure this is not the only reason people dislike the place, but it is a good start.
eulogia228 said:Georgetown admissions really does seem baffling. I know someone with a 3.2 and a 29 MCAT that was admitted (non-URM) and I know someone with a 3.8 and 34 that was rejected. Yes, I'm well aware that medical school admissions involved much more than mere stats and that I should also consider the other factors involved such as essays, LORs, ECs, etc. However, they just seem very vague and mysterious when it comes to their post-secondary "filter" approach. I just don't understand why people with higher stats get routinely filtered out.
Honestly though, haven't you been rejected from a few schools you thought you might be over qualified for, I have. In fact, so far, the only ones I have actually been "rejected" from are schools I considered backups. I am sure there will be many upper tier rejections coming in within the next month but I think it may be common for schools to quickly reject students they see as long shots using their school simply as a backup.
canttouchthis said:I felt so strongly about this that I had to register. I spent about 400 bucks getting to this interview (not including the money lost by taking days off work) so I obviously was interested in the school and its curriculum. Other than one of the speakers (and Im pretty sure you can all guess which speaker Im talking about) I cant say that I hated the school that much. So while this lady was speaking to us about the school in the waiting room someone elses cell phone rings. The cell phones owner takes the phone out and apologizes profusely. The speaker says that it is no problem and turns to me and says that she had assumed the ring had come from me because Im from Los Angeles (Im not quite sure what bad qualities of LA she was trying to insult me with but it still made me pretty uncomfortable). Later on in the speech she singles me out again and states that it would be stupid for me to go to Gtown and that I should save my money and go to UCIrvine(i dunno where she got Irvine from other than me being from CA). She then finished her tirade on why Gtown isnt right for you and you should only go there if you truly believe in cura personalis. Im definitely agreeing with the person that stated that cura personalis is just a fancy latin word for a pretty obvious and normal philosophy for any medical school. It is just hilarious that they hype it up so much. Maybe Im bitter because both myself and my roommate were rejected post interview. At least both of us got into really good schools shortly after.
drwlo said:I withdrew from Gtown after my interview. Originally it was my first choice because I live here. The woman who gives the speech in the waiting room (we all know who she is) is awful. She kept saying "Gtown is no better than other schools and no worse, just different." Then she'd go on to say something awful about another school. People weren't picking up on it because she kept saying over and over again how she'd never say anything bad about anyone else. What a load of ....! She was so manipulative. Also she would dodge any question where her answer wouldn't shed Gtown in a good light. For instance, she kept talking about how great it was that we spent a lot of time in clinics our first year. When I asked her exactly what our duties were in the clinics, she wouldn't answer. Scut work was obviously the real answer. I agree about cura personalis, everyone does that.
I think Gtown is insecure about it's ranking but that speech just put a bad taste in my mouth. That said I know a MS1 there and he loves it.
Reckoning said:I think I was in your interview group (~Sept. 28). She was trying to be funny to loosen us up. But her speech so contrived, yet fascinating in a completely removed, philosophical way, that I think most of us were still trying to figure out what we were in for the rest of the day.
Then came the student host for the tour and lunch, where he proceeded to trade drinking and housing stories with one of the G-town undergrads in the room, interspersing, "dude" and "sweet" between every three word sentance he uttered. The guy was a complete tool.
Then came the interview with Mr. Brass Balls Orthopedic Surgeon who did little more than grimace at all of my answers before offering another stilted question right out of the interview cheat sheet. The guy was rude and doing his best to intimidate another pre-med applicant, which midway into the interview made me feel I had just waisted a ho' lotta money. Withdrew after my first acceptance.
Cura Personalis, ok sure. But these admissions people need to come down to earth with the rest of us. The students I met were pretty cool otherwise and none of them knew what this Cura Personalis deal was really about...
canttouchthis said:Nah i wasn't there close to that date. I think people must have cellphones ring a lot for that lady because I was at another interview when a girl told me that earlier that week her phone had done the same thing during the same speech. I totally agree about her speech tho. At the time it sort of seemed selfless and motivational but once you get a chance to think about it in the context of a mediocre school in financial trouble you can see it is complete B.S.. That same lady was pretty anti-CA that whole day to me. It is pretty funny if she told another person they should just go to Irvine too. I hope people's cell phones ring during her speech more often.
demalo said:I am from CA and got in! In fact they called me to tell me I was in and they look forward to seeing me in Aug. Also, the fact that she knew where you were from and the schools you went to, doesn't that say they do care about the people they are interviewing. Sullivan and Georgene both knew all of the names of the people in my group before they met us. Pretty impressive!
ms2209 said:LOL! That is so true. I definitely got a sense of their insecurities from the speech, and I agree with you about the evasiveness regarding the clinical duties. One of the interviewees asked them whether the extensive clinical responsibilities dumped on 3rd and 4th years at Georgetown had anything to do with the 80-hour limit on residents' work hours, and they totally skirted the issue. Also, I did not add this in my response but I did not get a great vibe from the students there, and my friend who loved the school and the philosophy agreed that the students who gave the tours seemed ambivalent at best.
canttouchthis said:Nah i wasn't there close to that date. I think people must have cellphones ring a lot for that lady because I was at another interview when a girl told me that earlier that week her phone had done the same thing during the same speech. I totally agree about her speech tho. At the time it sort of seemed selfless and motivational but once you get a chance to think about it in the context of a mediocre school in financial trouble you can see it is complete B.S.. That same lady was pretty anti-CA that whole day to me. It is pretty funny if she told another person they should just go to Irvine too. I hope people's cell phones ring during her speech more often.
kwc1979 said:I absolutely fell in love with Georgetown. In fact, I'm surprised you all hated it. I seriously got chills from Mrs. Sullivan's talk about the environment Georgetown hopes to foster. But hearing the mixed reaction from the thread, I can only assess that she was right and the school is not for everyone. As for me, I just hope they fell for me the way I fell for them on my interview day. So please, please, please reject them and maybe then I've got a shot!
sweatybrain said:I thought I liked Georgetown. Sent in my $100 and got rejected almost immediately after. (3.95/37 FWIW). anyone else got a pre interview rejection from Georgetown, yet got interviews at HMS, cornell, P&S etc.?
Despite their religious affiliation, I think georgetown use something akin to black magic (or dart tournament at a pub crawl) in their selection process.
FloridaMadame said:I am in the same boat as you. After my application fee was received, my rejection was so fast and swift that my head is still spinning. Funny though how quite a few top 10 schools thought I was good enough for an interview. Your loss Georgetown!
kwc1979 said:I absolutely fell in love with Georgetown. In fact, I'm surprised you all hated it. I seriously got chills from Mrs. Sullivan's talk about the environment Georgetown hopes to foster. But hearing the mixed reaction from the thread, I can only assess that she was right and the school is not for everyone. As for me, I just hope they fell for me the way I fell for them on my interview day. So please, please, please reject them and maybe then I've got a shot!
canttouchthis said:I felt so strongly about this that I had to register. I spent about 400 bucks getting to this interview (not including the money lost by taking days off work) so I obviously was interested in the school and its curriculum. Other than one of the speakers (and Im pretty sure you can all guess which speaker Im talking about) I cant say that I hated the school that much. So while this lady was speaking to us about the school in the waiting room someone elses cell phone rings. The cell phones owner takes the phone out and apologizes profusely. The speaker says that it is no problem and turns to me and says that she had assumed the ring had come from me because Im from Los Angeles (Im not quite sure what bad qualities of LA she was trying to insult me with but it still made me pretty uncomfortable). Later on in the speech she singles me out again and states that it would be stupid for me to go to Gtown and that I should save my money and go to UCIrvine(i dunno where she got Irvine from other than me being from CA). She then finished her tirade on why Gtown isnt right for you and you should only go there if you truly believe in cura personalis. Im definitely agreeing with the person that stated that cura personalis is just a fancy latin word for a pretty obvious and normal philosophy for any medical school. It is just hilarious that they hype it up so much. Maybe Im bitter because both myself and my roommate were rejected post interview. At least both of us got into really good schools shortly after.
medguy47 said:i think i was in the fishbowl with you when this happened...
microman said:I have to say that I also loved G-town. It was one of the few schools which truly seemed to care not only about how much its students learn during medical school, but also about how much they grow personally into better, more responsible individuals. G-town has an excellent and reputable teaching program, and uniquely, it also helps students to keep their focus on helping others rather than constantly thinking about furthering their career options.
RaaMD said:Good job speaking up for your school microman.