Having a family ad a female on the HPSP scholarship

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Hi!
So I'm very interested in the HPSP scholarship. My major question is as a female is it difficult to start a family or soul I need to wait until my active duty is finished? Thanks!

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I'm an HPSP student, third year, and I have a family. I did not have them during medschool but the kids are pretty young. I haven't found HPSP and family to be mutually exclusive. The hardest part is leaving for weeks at a time, for example for OBC between first and second year. My husband was alone with our children for seven weeks, and we don't live near family. But because he is fully committed to supporting my career path and is comfortable with being alone with the kids for substantial periods of time my participation in the HPSP program has not been problematic for our family. It is definitely something to think about since not only will you have OBC and your ADTs, but eventually you will be deployed.
 
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Women are about 25% of the Medical Corps in the Navy. They can and do have children while in the service. It is a little harder on moms than it is on dads (not that it is easy for either, I do miss my kids when I am gone.) especially when they are young. You need to have a husband who is OK with being single Mr. Mom for periods of time.
 
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Thanks for replying you guys... I was wondering Volvl when did you have your children?? Are you in your third year of active duty or med school?

Also another question.... when do people typically have children??? med school? residency? during service?

thanks!
 
By virtue of the HPSP scholarship, as far as I know, you have to graduate med school on time so that you can continue on active duty or defer AD for an approved civilian residency. In other words, having a baby in med school would certainly delay graduation which would mean probably requesting waivers and such, but it something I knew involved a lot of "if's", "maybe's" and paperwork so I never entertained the idea of having additional kids in med school.

I had a 4 yr HPSP scholarship for USAF and entered med school with 1 kid already. I graduated, did an internship in the AF and then did 5 yrs of flight medicine. Because of deployments, war, etc, early on I was not one to be able to sit back and let others take my deployments...by the way, my first year on active duty was 2001 and I was at my first real AD assignment for about 6 weeks before I was deployed. It was a "trial by fire". Anyway, being in a combat squadron, being and feeling part of the team, I did not want to have more kids initially and thus jeopardize my credibility with my squadron, my commanders and the people I was working with in the med group. I didn't want to be part of a combat squadron (which I asked for) and then have to turn around and tell them, 'by the way, I'm pregnant and I can't go on this deployment'. On the other hand, I was and still am happily married so family life was also always a factor. Eventually I did burn out with the whole combat gig and needed a change of pace. I also was aging and knew I wanted more kids. So, as reassignment opportunities came up, I specifically looked for a positions with a slower combat tempo (there was never a 'no combat' choice or 'no deployment' choice). This was with the anticipation of trying to conceive and have more kids. With the knowledge I wanted more kids, I also knew that I could never feel comfortable continuing to leave my kids at home. It is HARD to leave and go to an unknown, unfriendly environment. Killed me but even worse for the family that is left at home.

So, 10 yrs after my first kid was born I was finishing up my AD commitment with the birth of my second child. There was some time that I was in the window for deployment after my 2nd was born and by then I knew I could no longer continue to entertain the idea to ever leave my children and family again. So, I got out. I miss the excitement, miss the camaraderie but I knew I could not sacrifice anymore in the way the military tends to ask one to sacrifice. To some, the military tempo is a constant and rewarding way of life but to me it was no longer palatable.

By the way, after I got out I went into an actual residency again. I had two more kids in residency. It's hard having kids in residency but it is do-able. It takes a lot of perseverance and family support.

The majority of docs I met in the military took the HPSP scholarship because of the money. But, most of them were miserable in the military. I joined for the experience. It was an awesome experience. I just had had enough.
 
By virtue of the HPSP scholarship, as far as I know, you have to graduate med school on time so that you can continue on active duty or defer AD for an approved civilian residency. In other words, having a baby in med school would certainly delay graduation which would mean probably requesting waivers and such, but it something I knew involved a lot of "if's", "maybe's" and paperwork so I never entertained the idea of having additional kids in med school.

I had a 4 yr HPSP scholarship for USAF and entered med school with 1 kid already. I graduated, did an internship in the AF and then did 5 yrs of flight medicine. Because of deployments, war, etc, early on I was not one to be able to sit back and let others take my deployments...by the way, my first year on active duty was 2001 and I was at my first real AD assignment for about 6 weeks before I was deployed. It was a "trial by fire". Anyway, being in a combat squadron, being and feeling part of the team, I did not want to have more kids initially and thus jeopardize my credibility with my squadron, my commanders and the people I was working with in the med group. I didn't want to be part of a combat squadron (which I asked for) and then have to turn around and tell them, 'by the way, I'm pregnant and I can't go on this deployment'. On the other hand, I was and still am happily married so family life was also always a factor. Eventually I did burn out with the whole combat gig and needed a change of pace. I also was aging and knew I wanted more kids. So, as reassignment opportunities came up, I specifically looked for a positions with a slower combat tempo (there was never a 'no combat' choice or 'no deployment' choice). This was with the anticipation of trying to conceive and have more kids. With the knowledge I wanted more kids, I also knew that I could never feel comfortable continuing to leave my kids at home. It is HARD to leave and go to an unknown, unfriendly environment. Killed me but even worse for the family that is left at home.

So, 10 yrs after my first kid was born I was finishing up my AD commitment with the birth of my second child. There was some time that I was in the window for deployment after my 2nd was born and by then I knew I could no longer continue to entertain the idea to ever leave my children and family again. So, I got out. I miss the excitement, miss the camaraderie but I knew I could not sacrifice anymore in the way the military tends to ask one to sacrifice. To some, the military tempo is a constant and rewarding way of life but to me it was no longer palatable.

By the way, after I got out I went into an actual residency again. I had two more kids in residency. It's hard having kids in residency but it is do-able. It takes a lot of perseverance and family support.

The majority of docs I met in the military took the HPSP scholarship because of the money. But, most of them were miserable in the military. I joined for the experience. It was an awesome experience. I just had had enough.

Wrong...you don't have to take time off in medical school to have a baby. Just watch me not do it. Like many classmates before me. I go to a PBL school, so this is possible, plus my administration is very supportive. I will graduate on time. Not only that, if you are on HPSP like I am - another option would have been having a baby during third year, delaying a rotation start (six weeks of maternity - there you go), and then making it up fourth year. You still graduate on time, especially since we military don't need as much of the "interview" vacation time most schools allot you. So yeah - you just lose some fourth year vacation. I'm not doing that, though, and I'm going to be just fine. Tired, but fine. It probably depends on what kind of family support you have coming to help you. I have considerable.

OP - I challenge you to ask these questions and find out policies of the school that you will go to. Everyone goes to different schools here, and some probably wouldn't help them and accomodate them through a pregnancy/baby in the middle of a school year. You also have to figure out what you are willing to do yourself. Example - I am still having to take a test days after giving birth. This is difficult, but two people before me have done it, and they have shared their tips. The administration at my school is supportive and is offering ways to accomodate what I need during the test. However, some people would probably not make this choice.

You most definitely can have a child during school. For me - it was the best option to have it second-year. My child will be weaned before the end of third year clerkships. Definitely will be weaned and older when I head off to ADTs for my aways third/fourth year start. And we will be moving for residency with a 2.5 yr old instead of a baby. All good things in my opinion. We don't plan to have another one until end of residency, because like one of the above posters said - I also don't plan to avoid deployment by getting pregnant. I'd also rather plan on having a baby during residency in order to avoid having to leave an unweaned child to deploy after pregnancy.

Yes, our military career makes planning children a little trickier when it is you, the mom, in medical school - but so is life. Deal with it. Have your family if you want one, and for Pete's sake - don't let a career path or things like the military mess with your head about having a family. In the middle of all the choices we make with our career - life still goes on. If you want kids, have them. Life will shape around your choices. Don't forget what is important - family is (at least to me).

And check out Mommd.com. A great resource for moms who have kids in medical school, residency, and in practice. Many people on SDN are naysayers, but the women on that site are DOING it - and doing it well.
 
I had my kids between undergrad and medschool. My youngest was three when I matriculated. I am now a third year medstudent. It is definitely easier to have them birthed and weaned prior to beginning medschool. I delayed application to medschool for that reason. However, several folks at my medical school have given birth while in school(and one fathered twins), and none of them plan on delaying graduation.
 
My wife is HPSP and was accepted to a med school in a smaller area. We had three children during her undergrad and they were 4, 6, and 8 at the time we moved. I ended up leaving my job of 15 years and traded places with my wife, staying at home with the youngest while she went to med school. The loss of income is manegeable, and I'm switching careers to something I can do from anywhere.

We understand there will be burden down the road with the military, but that stress is mostly deferred for the time being.
 
Hi!
So I'm very interested in the HPSP scholarship. My major question is as a female is it difficult to start a family or soul I need to wait until my active duty is finished? Thanks!

I'm sure you've heard this before, but there's never a convenient time to have kids.

Med school - pretty hard time to have kids, lots of studying

Internship - supremely hard, lots of work

GMO (if you do one) - good time, provided you're not on the deployment block ... maybe the best time if it's a nondeployable billet or if you don't have any qualms about shafting some other guy with your deployment

Residency - very hard, lots of studying and lots of work

Attending on AD - not easy, likely moving to a new location, and you'll be up for a utilization deployment, maybe lots of studying for written/oral boards

Attending after AD - hard, moving, joining a private group and immediately asking for maternity leave won't make you any friends


We had 3 kids during med school & internship. MS1 & MS2 years are a hell of a shock to people coming from the cush "full time" load of college, but looking back I had a lot more free time as a med student than as an intern or resident. But I'm a guy.

I say have them now. If nothing else, you'll be that much younger when you can kick them out of the house at age 18.
 
I say have them now. If nothing else, you'll be that much younger when you can kick them out of the house at age 18.

I'd second this, though I'm a guy as well. Our youngest will turn 18 when we're 43/42 and while it will be a bittersweet day, it's something to consider.
 
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