Help!! Discussing religion during interview??

[DrZeke]

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Agreed.....I'm not going to attack you for saying that.

Now I'll just say I'm Jewish, and we can start a thread about how there are too many Jewish doctors.

I don't bring up religion in my interviews, but won't avoid it either. It's kinda hard to downplay my Judaism, because even though I'm not religious, I have a really Jewish sounding last name.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Now I'll just say I'm Jewish, and we can start a thread about how there are too many Jewish doctors.

I don't bring up religion in my interviews, but won't avoid it either. It's kinda hard to downplay my Judaism, because even though I'm not religious, I have a really Jewish sounding last name.

BRB I need to go find a good Borat picture......

 

[DrZeke]

BRB I need to go find a good Borat picture......

It's a miracle, I just accepted Jesus into my heart and even though I haven't walked in 3 years...I just got up and danced all over my coffee table.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah YEeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

PRAISE DA LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DropkickMurphy]

It's a miracle, I just accepted Jesus into my heart and even though I haven't walked in 3 years...I just got up and danced all over my coffee table.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah YEeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

PRAISE DA LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, if we can just get to admit that it was your ancestors that nailed him to scrap lumber......we're good to go

 

[airshad8]

Bwahahahahah!!! LOL this is the best thread ever!!!

I'm seriously laughing so hard...it's so pathetic how certain religions in America are so much more respected. I think it's because there is barely a separation between church and state here. Trust me when I say that, I'm Canadian, and some Americans would be horrified how things we've voted on are not aligned with "good christian values"...

Well, I guess when George Bush says Good "American" values = Good "Christian" values. Nothing wrong with Christian values, but it's lame that a president doesn't acknowledge other religions as much. Just my opinion...don't all attack at once.

Haha I agree with you. I hate it when Bush uses the word "God" in his speeches. It's like...you do realize...half the people you represent either don't believe in the same concept of God as you, or don't believe in a God at all. I am definitely for separation between church and state. Actually I have been promoting a take on this recently that many people think is ridiculous (I don't!): I think all governmental heads should be at the most peripherally religion. Instead of voting for presidents in this country that are protestant, it should be something that works against them. They do this in Turkey actually...or started to: People are wary of any president that is too religious. The last one started bringing up Islam and recited some holy texts and the people wanted him to step down! He had to apologize to not do it again.

Similarly in Pakistan, Musharaff has yet to use the word "God" or concept of religion to sway public opinion. It's funny...how America is digressing in this aspect...

 

[DrZeke]

Now, if we can just get to admit that it was your ancestors that nailed him to scrap lumber......we're good to go

Scrap lumber...how could you!!!

And...now that I've renounced my Judaism and accepted our lord jesus into my heart, I've signed up for a crucifixion next week. I hope they don't use SCRAP LUMBER, I was hoping for a nice rosewood or oak.

 

[DrZeke]

Haha I agree with you. I hate it when Bush uses the word "God" in his speeches. It's like...you do realize...half the people you represent either don't believe in the same concept of God as you, or don't believe in a God at all. I am definitely for separation between church and state. Actually I have been promoting a take on this recently that many people think is ridiculous (I don't!): I think all governmental heads should be at the most peripherally religion. Instead of voting for presidents in this country that are protestant, it should be something that works against them. They do this in Turkey actually...or started to: People are wary of any president that is too religious. The last one started bringing up Islam and recited some holy texts and the people wanted him to step down! He had to apologize to not do it again.

Similarly in Pakistan, Musharaff has yet to use the word "God" or concept of religion to sway public opinion. It's funny...how America is digressing in this aspect...

Man, I love you for seeing eye to eye with me.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Similarly in Pakistan, Musharaff has yet to use the word "God" or concept of religion to sway public opinion. It's funny...how America is digressing in this aspect...

What's even funnier is that most Christians seem to be ignorant of the fact that Christians, Jews and Muslims are worshipping the same God, just that they have different names for him.

 

[CytochromeP450]

To the pissed of person:

I am not christian but I have read the Holy Bible....what's cool is that it makes alot of interesting points about life, how live a moral life, and how to follow Jesus. Eventhough, its not something I was brought up with I still consider it a part my history. Its human history and by golly I am human! . What MORE cool is how many gospels have been left out of the Bible because they were considered hersey by the early church (i.e The Gospel of Judas, The Gospel of Thomas, etc.). My point is try to keep an open mind when reading any religious texts. Moreover, I challenege you to read the Holy Quran, the Gita, I Ching, books about atheism, etc. I love all of these books because they are all part my history. 🙂


Really cool National Geographic Website on the lost Gospel of Judas:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/?fs=www9.nationalgeographic.com

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Scrap lumber...how could you!!!

And...now that I've renounced my Judaism and accepted our lord jesus into my heart, I've signed up for a crucifixion next week. I hope they don't use SCRAP LUMBER, I was hoping for a nice rosewood or oak.

Personally, I prefer teak or cherry.

 

[airshad8]

To the pissed of person:

I am not christian but I have read the Holy Bible....what's cool is that it makes alot of interesting points about life, how live a moral life, and how to follow Jesus. Eventhough, its not something I was brought up with I still consider it a part my history. Its human history and by golly I am human! . What MORE cool is how many gospels have been left out of the Bible because they were considered hersey by the early church (i.e The Gospel of Judas, The Gospel of Thomas, etc.). My point is try to keep an open mind when reading any religious texts. Moreover, I challenege you to read the Holy Quran, the Gita, I Ching, books about atheism, etc. I love all of these books because they are all part my history. 🙂


Really cool National Geographic Website on the lost Gospel of Judas:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/?fs=www9.nationalgeographic.com

👍 You rock for that. I too try doing this. In fact at my local mosque I get irritated by the imaam (i really just go to cause trouble) when he misquotes things that are supposedly in the bible. The only way you can actually ever say 'my religion is the right one (which you shouldn't) is if you read everything out there, THEN decide on this fact. Simply being born in a Christian or Muslim family should not render such an opinion- I don't know how people can do it.

To add to your list- definitely pick up the 4 dominant versions of the Bible that have evolved over time- it's very interesting to notice the evolution...Now that is history.

 

[DrZeke]

👍 You rock for that. I too try doing this. In fact at my local mosque I get irritated by the imaam (i really just go to cause trouble) when he misquotes things that are supposedly in the bible. The only way you can actually ever say 'my religion is the right one (which you shouldn't) is if you read everything out there, THEN decide on this fact. Simply being born in a Christian or Muslim family should not render such an opinion- I don't know how people can do it.

To add to your list- definitely pick up the 4 dominant versions of the Bible that have evolved over time- it's very interesting to notice the evolution...Now that is history.

Wow, that's very cool. I've read some of the new testament...very interesting. I'm hoping when I have a religious breakdown which I don't expect to happen that I will read a few more religious texts.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

In fact at my local mosque I get irritated by the imaam (i really just go to cause trouble) when he misquotes things that are supposedly in the bible.

I had an imaam look at me like I lost my mind because I could quote the Quran when some smart ass little bastards started talking about how Muslims are advocating violence.
"You really need to shut your mouth or at very least do some reading. If I remember correctly, the admonition is in the Quran: 'The ink of the scholars and artists is far more sacred than the blood of the martyrs.' "
*blank stares from the two kids and an incredulous look from the Imaam
"What? Is something wrong? Did I misquote?"
"No, not at all....I'm just surprised."
"Yeah, not many blond-haired, green-eyed honky devils can quote the Quran eh."
He started laughing and said, "No, but I wish more could" and smiled.

 

[DrShambach]

No one is attacking you either...I think this thread has long been hijacked to play on stereotypes. We are simply too busy making fun of the funny things muslims wear on their heads to concern ourselves with the condescending attitudes of Christian zealots...lol



But honestly, on a more serious note think about it this way:

Yes you are expressing your beliefs, but you have to understand what you are saying is inherently pretentious. When talk about people being saved, you are saying outright that 1. Their religious views are crap 2. The Bible is best, so it's ok to quote and 3. Unless you are 'saved' (the word itself is condescending) you're doomed. It is the same as if a Muslim said "are you an infidel? my Koran says you will go to hell unless you accept my religion." Surprisingly that would never fly with you or anyone else...yet being a Christian and being concerned that someone else is 'saved' is ok.

You have to remember, while it is OK to believe as you want, when expressing your beliefs you have to remain circumspect. If there is a particular part of your religion (Be it Christianity or Islam or anything else) that clearly degrades other religions, caution is advised. Trust me when I say this, I am not attacking you alone. I have this issue with Christians as well as Muslims who have this outlook. It's simply not OK to look down on others simply because 'your religion says so', whether it says so in the Bible, the Quran, the Torah, etc. This is really why we have the issues we do in this world today - too many people thinking what their culture/religion says is the only way.

Look at it this way. When anyone declares any specific belief they are in essence saying others are wrong (so you are saying Christianity is wrong). However, if you are confident in what you believe then it shouldn't bother you when someone doesn't believe what you do. I've said several times that I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. But my beliefs do call for me to do certain things and to take a certain stance in life. If I did otherwise then how can I say I believe. This does not mean that I am being condescending toward anyone. However, it is somewhat condescending to credit my stance to where I'm from (I actually have been outside of the South on numerous occasions) or something you think you may have gleaned from my profile.

With all that being said, I once again ask why can't we respect each other on this thread? Believe what you want to believe. Trust me I will not lose any sleep over it. If you get mad because I'm confident in what I believe then that's your decision.

 

[Tired]

I'm seriously laughing so hard...it's so pathetic how certain religions in America are so much more respected. I think it's because there is barely a separation between church and state here. Trust me when I say that, I'm Canadian, and some Americans would be horrified how things we've voted on are not aligned with "good christian values"...

I think it's funny that you think we care at all about what happens in Canada.

Why don't you guys just bite the bullet, join up with the winners, and we'll add one more star to our flag?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

When anyone declares any specific belief they are in essence saying others are wrong (so you are saying Christianity is wrong).

Not necessarily.....you can disagree and still respect someone's right to believe whatever they like. Personally even as a Christian, I tend to think a LOT of Christians get it wrong (they are far too pushy about it....mainly, and also they tend to make the assumption you are claiming others are making). That's the trick in this country (that a LOT of people have forgotten sadly), that we are not a Christian nation. We are a secular nation with a Christian majority. I have a right to disagree, and a right to say that I disagree so long as I don't hinder your right to believe what you like so long as it doesn't affect others in a negative manner and the reverse is likewise also true.

Personally I don't know if Christians have it "right", so I try not to be pretentious about it and tend to hold other religions in similar esteem.

With all that being said, I once again ask why can't we respect each other on this thread?

Actually, I think there is a remarkable level of civility and respect being demonstrated given the subject matter (the jokes aside). I guess maybe I'm not seeing the disrespect you are seeing?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I think it's funny that you think we care at all about what happens in Canada.

Why don't you guys just bite the bullet, join up with the winners, and we'll add one more star to our flag?

🙄

Actually a lot of people (conservatives mostly) seem to because they tend to bitch and whine about how the Canadians are screwing up by actually respecting people's rights.

 

[DrZeke]

Look at it this way. When anyone declares any specific belief they are in essence saying others are wrong (so you are saying Christianity is wrong). However, if you are confident in what you believe then it shouldn't bother you when someone doesn't believe what you do. I've said several times that I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. But my beliefs do call for me to do certain things and to take a certain stance in life. If I did otherwise then how can I say I believe. This does not mean that I am being condescending toward anyone. However, it is somewhat condescending to credit my stance to where I'm from (I actually have been outside of the South on numerous occasions) or something you think you may have gleaned from my profile.

With all that being said, I once again ask why can't we respect each other on this thread? Believe what you want to believe. Trust me I will not lose any sleep over it. If you get mad because I'm confident in what I believe then that's your decision.

Thought it may say something to that effect in lots of religious book: Bible, Quran, New Testament, whatever... I believe that this is also a certain belief and attitude. You may thing that deep down someone who is not Christian is DAMNED TO HELL, but that doesn't mean that you have to let on to that. I know that some of my friends who are very religious probably believe it deep down, but NEVER have they implied this. In fact a muslim friend of mine has never once discussed how I am not in the best position as a Jew, nor has she tried to recruit me.

But your religion is about recruitment and imposing beliefs. Whether or not it was intended that way. I don't want people to ask me "Have you accepted the lord JC into your heart" on the street. I think that is very wrong. Judaism actually tries to dissuade people from converting to ensure that they are certian it's what they want to do. Like AirShad and others have said, if you are going to choose a religion, you better know about it first-hand. Not have some missionary tell you about it. But, in the USA we have people in prisons asking to accept JC into their hearts and then BOOM SENTENCE REDUCED... I'm sorry if I'm skeptical, but can anyone blame me?

Anyways, I have no problem with any religion, but when you take the stance that my being Jewish automatically declares that anyone else blows, is not true. Maybe it says that in my bible, but my attitude and the way that I treat others is much more important. By outright anouncing that we're jaded and mixed up, because we haven't accepted JC into our hearts, implies a narrow-minded view, religious or not and that you shouldn't have friends of any other religions, because upon seeing them you feel sorry for them. 👎

 

[DrZeke]

I think it's funny that you think we care at all about what happens in Canada.

Why don't you guys just bite the bullet, join up with the winners, and we'll add one more star to our flag?

my dual citizenship probably makes you cry at night.

 

[DrShambach]

Not necessarily.....you can disagree and still respect someone's right to believe whatever they like. Personally even as a Christian, I tend to think a LOT of Christians get it wrong (they are far too pushy about it....mainly, and also they tend to make the assumption you are claiming others are making). That's the trick in this country (that a LOT of people have forgotten sadly), that we are not a Christian nation. We are a secular nation with a Christian majority. I have a right to disagree, and a right to say that I disagree so long as I don't hinder your right to believe what you like so long as it doesn't affect others in a negative manner and the reverse is likewise also true.

Personally I don't know if Christians have it "right", so I try not to be pretentious about it and tend to hold other religions in similar esteem.

I definitely respect other people's right to believe what they want. My point is that they chose their beliefs for a reason and didn't chose others for a reason. If people thought there were no differences, then they would not commit themselves to a specific set of beliefs. I think people get so caught up in not wanting to step on toes that they will shy away from what they believe. I'm not one of those people. I choose this for a reason (I wasn't raised Christian) so I'm gonna stick with it. We don't have the power to condemn each other, so it doesn't bother me when people disagree. Likewise, people shouldn't be bothered by my stance or anyone's for that matter.

 

[spicedmanna]

Hmm, most interesting. This thread, although relatively tame and good humored, presents good reasons on why not to bring up religion at an interview.

I'm glad that you have conviction and approach your life passionately. I disagree, however, with your assertion that having a specific belief inherently suggests that other beliefs are "wrong." While that's certainly one way of looking at the world, and a predominate one at that, there are a gazillion others just as legitimate, limited only by time and imagination. Your approach, while common, seeks to polarize and separate; in my opinion, unnecessarily. You divide the world into what is "right" and what is "wrong"; I think the universe is much bigger and more interesting than that. While it is in our nature to judge, it is also in our nature to expand into great possibility.

I say that there is enough room for all of us to be "right". In fact, why don't we lose interest in being "right" for a change and seek, instead, to understand and learn from all the amazing ways of seeing and living around us? Because being right, although comfortable and familiar, is boring and it gives us a reliable result--one that makes us feel in control of our lives. Why is it so hard to accept the notion that we, as human beings, view the world through our individual ability to experience it? Just as there are as many unique experiences as there are human beings on this Earth right now, there are as many versions of reality. We all have our own way of making sense of the world around us. It also seems true that we all share humanity as the common denominator; we have both unique and common experiences. In my opinion, when we drop the, "I'm right, and you're wrong," approach, the fighting stops and real learning can begin.

Oh well, FWIW. 🙂

Look at it this way. When anyone declares any specific belief they are in essence saying others are wrong (so you are saying Christianity is wrong). However, if you are confident in what you believe then it shouldn't bother you when someone doesn't believe what you do. I've said several times that I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. But my beliefs do call for me to do certain things and to take a certain stance in life. If I did otherwise then how can I say I believe. This does not mean that I am being condescending toward anyone. However, it is somewhat condescending to credit my stance to where I'm from (I actually have been outside of the South on numerous occasions) or something you think you may have gleaned from my profile.

With all that being said, I once again ask why can't we respect each other on this thread? Believe what you want to believe. Trust me I will not lose any sleep over it. If you get mad because I'm confident in what I believe then that's your decision.

 

[airshad8]

Look at it this way. When anyone declares any specific belief they are in essence saying others are wrong (so you are saying Christianity is wrong). However, if you are confident in what you believe then it shouldn't bother you when someone doesn't believe what you do. I've said several times that I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. But my beliefs do call for me to do certain things and to take a certain stance in life. If I did otherwise then how can I say I believe. This does not mean that I am being condescending toward anyone. However, it is somewhat condescending to credit my stance to where I'm from (I actually have been outside of the South on numerous occasions) or something you think you may have gleaned from my profile.

With all that being said, I once again ask why can't we respect each other on this thread? Believe what you want to believe. Trust me I will not lose any sleep over it. If you get mad because I'm confident in what I believe then that's your decision.

Sigh....reminiscent of so the crusades...



I do apologize about the South comment. Honestly I did not mean that with sarcasm, but really trying to understand a 'reason' why someone would be taking the stance you are. It's a stereotype yes, but the South does have a predominately Christian schema where it's quite alright to hail Christianity without considering other religions. I am just saying you are going to be in for a shock once you are in an environment where people don't feel the same way. The types of responses you are getting on this thread from people are similar to what you'll get if you use this rhetoric up here.

I think we all respect each other on this thread just fine- it is why we are taking the time to write and have a discussion. I respect you for what you believe- I might think it's erroneous and pretentious, but it's your belief. This is why, in a civil manner, I am typing a post as a reply.

And FYI- I never said Christianity is 'wrong'. If you haven't realized by now, I am pretty big on to each his own, and not criticizing other religions or people. In my opinion, religion in general has similar goals of moral improvement. Doesn't matter which you chose to subscribe to or don't. I am just not really into people feeling their religion needs to be followed by everyone. And to show that my religion also agrees with this- this is a very short chapter of the Koran-(something not enough muslims follow either unfortunately):

Ch 109: Al Kafiroon
1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2 I worship not that which ye worship,
3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.

 

[Tired]

my dual citizenship probably makes you cry at night.

No, it's like being "half white" in the South fifty years ago. No mixing. Either you're 100% one of us, or you're one of them.

(If I knew anything at all about Canada, I would probably have inserted a cultural stereotype insult here. However, until this thread started, I had forgotten that Canada was even a country. Oh well.)

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Sigh....reminiscent of so the crusades...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that thought, but I wasn't about to bring it up

 

[DropkickMurphy]

No, it's like being "half white" in the South fifty years ago. No mixing. Either you're 100% one of us, or you're one of them.

(If I knew anything at all about Canada, I would probably have inserted a cultural stereotype insult here. However, until this thread started, I had forgotten that Canada was even a country. Oh well.)

*shakes head*

 

[DrZeke]

No, it's like being "half white" in the South fifty years ago. No mixing. Either you're 100% one of us, or you're one of them.

(If I knew anything at all about Canada, I would probably have inserted a cultural stereotype insult here. However, until this thread started, I had forgotten that Canada was even a country. Oh well.)

Oh well....then now would be the time for you to cease mocking me... 🙄

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Oh well....then now would be the time for you to cease mocking me... 🙄

What was that eh?

 

[DrShambach]

Sigh....reminiscent of so the crusades...



I do apologize about the South comment. Honestly I did not mean that with sarcasm, but really trying to understand a 'reason' why someone would be taking the stance you are. It's a stereotype yes, but the South does have a predominately Christian schema where it's quite alright to hail Christianity without considering other religions. I am just saying you are going to be in for a shock once you are in an environment where people don't feel the same way. The types of responses you are getting on this thread from people are similar to what you'll get if you use this rhetoric up here.

I think we all respect each other on this thread just fine- it is why we are taking the time to write and have a discussion. I respect you for what you believe- I might think it's erroneous and pretentious, but it's your belief. This is why, in a civil manner, I am typing a post as a reply.

And FYI- I never said Christianity is 'wrong'. If you haven't realized by now, I am pretty big on to each his own, and not criticizing other religions or people. In my opinion, religion in general has similar goals of moral improvement. Doesn't matter which you chose to subscribe to or don't. I am just not really into people feeling their religion needs to be followed by everyone. And to show that my religion also agrees with this- this is a very short chapter of the Koran-(something not enough muslims follow either unfortunately):

Ch 109: Al Kafiroon
1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2 I worship not that which ye worship,
3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.

I think we are just going around in circles at this point. But I just had a few things I wanted to add. First, I have been in enviroments where I've recieved negative feedback (all over the country and the world) and I'm fine with it. The respect thing was actually geared to someone else because there have been some who were less than civil. Finally, while you believe that it doesn't matter which religion you follow, you are in conflict with all religions that don't agree with that (which is what I meant by saying these religions are wrong). At the end of the day we all make our own decisions and I'm all for that.

p.s. The Crusades thing is also kind of a low blow. Especially since I haven't made any references to killing anyone. Your faith calls for you to do things too, so let's just leave it at that and not read more into it.

 

[DrZeke]

I think we are just going around in circles at this point. But I just had a few things I wanted to add. First, I have been in enviroments where I've recieved negative feedback (all over the country and the world) and I'm fine with it. The respect thing was actually geared to someone else because there have been some who were less than civil. Finally, while you believe that it doesn't matter which religion you follow, you are in conflict with all religions that don't agree with that (which is what I meant by saying these religions are wrong). At the end of the day we all make our own decisions and I'm all for that.

p.s. The Crusades things is also kind of a low blow. Especially since I haven't made any references to killing anyone. Your faith calls for you to do things too, so let's just leave it at that and not read more into it.

PRAISE JESUS!

 

[Teee]

It's a miracle, I just accepted Jesus into my heart and even though I haven't walked in 3 years...I just got up and danced all over my coffee table.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah YEeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

PRAISE DA LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah okay we get it 🙄 you are cool and christians aren't, oh and pls, sense the sarcasm 🙄

 

[DrZeke]

yeah okay we get it 🙄 you are cool and christians aren't, oh and pls, sense the sarcasm 🙄

Christians are cool. The Christian propaganda that your average american is exposed to is just sad though. I feel sorry for those beautiful christian souls who aren't insane or trying to swindle people out of their money or trying to impose their veiws on others, because they are the ones who suffer.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Finally, while you believe that it doesn't matter which religion you follow, you are in conflict with all religions that don't agree with that

Oh really now? 😱
"To arms! To arms! The gays, the Jews and the towelheads are coming!" 🙄

p.s. The Crusades thing is also kind of a low blow. Especially since I haven't made any references to killing anyone. Your faith calls for you to do things too, so let's just leave it at that and not read more into it.

Agreed.....God/Allah/Yahweh/Imhotep/Shiva is one of the leading causes of violent death. Amen.

 

[SamaraMorgan]

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[Karina 07]

my dual citizenship probably makes you cry at night.

Great line. Thank you. 🙂

My boyfriend's family, when they first heard I was Canadian: "Get yourself a real girlfriend!" 🙄

 

[spicedmanna]

Christians are cool. The Christian propaganda that your average american is exposed to is just sad though. I feel sorry for those beautiful christian souls who aren't insane or trying to swindle people out of their money or trying to impose their veiws on others, because they are the ones who suffer.

Well, I think the lying, cheating, imposition, and propaganda is more representative of the human phenomenon rather than of any one religion. Whether you view the world through the eyes of a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc., you will find these problems there, too, because they lie in us, not the religion.

 

[DrShambach]

Oh really now? 😱
"To arms! To arms! The gays, the Jews and the towelheads are coming!" 🙄



con·flict incompatibility or interference, as of one idea, desire, event, or activity with another

 

[airshad8]

Well, I think the lying, cheating, imposition, and propaganda is more representative of the human phenomenon rather than of any one religion. Whether you view the world through the eyes of a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc., you will find these problems there, too, because they lie in us, not the religion.

Agreed. People inherently suck. 😀

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Oh really now? 😱
"To arms! To arms! The gays, the Jews and the towelheads are coming!" 🙄



con·flict incompatibility or interference, as of one idea, desire, event, or activity with another

I know....I was just being a smartass.

 

[Teee]

Christians are cool. The Christian propaganda that your average american is exposed to is just sad though. I feel sorry for those beautiful christian souls who aren't insane or trying to swindle people out of their money or trying to impose their veiws on others, because they are the ones who suffer.

great! i guess you don't have to thank the lord baby jesus in your posts to prove your point, but uhm... excuse my sensitivity.

 

[airshad8]

p.s. The Crusades thing is also kind of a low blow. .

Gah I know I know...I am a MAsshole. I can't help it! Apologies- I hope no feelings were hurt. We are all friends here...competing for the same med schools friends....*nervous laughter*

Btw guys, I just started reading this new account of the crusades called God's War- Just came out last month by Tyerman- really good stuff.

 

[DrZeke]

Well, I think the lying, cheating, imposition, and propaganda is more representative of the human phenomenon rather than of any one religion. Whether you view the world through the eyes of a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc., you will find these problems there, too, because they lie in us, not the religion.

Agreed, unfortunately, it's the Christian faith that has a plethora of shows trying to collect money and show your faith healings on TV. I don't see any shows like that on national USA TV for Muslims, Hindus, Jews....whatever.... But still, I'm not applying that problem lies within Christianity, because it's within us.

I do very strongly agree with what you are saying. If you removed religion from the equation, human beings would still find some way to separate themselves from one another. And again use this to lie, cheat, steal...whatnot...sad really...

 

[airshad8]

Agreed, unfortunately, it's the Christian faith that has a plethora of shows trying to collect money and show your faith healings on TV. I don't see any shows like that on national USA TV for Muslims, Hindus, Jews....whatever.... But still, I'm not applying that problem lies within Christianity, because it's within us.

I do very strongly agree with what you are saying. If you removed religion from the equation, human beings would still find some way to separate themselves from one another. And again use this to lie, cheat, steal...whatnot...sad really...

It's a shortcoming of human nature. Religion is merely a machine hijacked to serve this shortcoming. I say hijack, because all religions ultimately did not intend for this to take place.

As for the comment above that- I do think the Christian marketing thing happens a lot in the US- but that is because the US is more capitalist than other nations, so much so that even religion has to get in on it. Other nations (and religions) do similarly through social pressure etc (i.e. Caste system in hinduism, Unnecessary oppression in Muslim nations, etc)

 

[DrShambach]

Gah I know I know...I am a MAsshole. I can't help it! Apologies- I hope no feelings were hurt. We are all friends here...competing for the same med schools friends....*nervous laughter*

It's all good. Glad that tension is finally broken. There's enough stress going around on this forum as it is. 😀

 

[airshad8]

It's all good. Glad that tension is finally broken. There's enough stress going around on this forum as it is. 😀

So like...are you single?

 

[baylormed]

Oh for the record, I was talking about the comment made by Dr.SHambach, not BaylorMed. Baylormed AKA susan rocks!!!!! She's cooler than JC.

OMG someone thinks I'm cool 😀 😀 😀. Cooler than JC nonetheless.

I'm going to go start my own religion now.

.....

In all seriousness, like some saint once said (St Francis of Assissi??)..."Preach the gospel at all times. When necessary, use words."

Actions speak louder than words. I don't care what religion you are. I don't care if you think you are saved or if you think I'm going to hell because I don't have the same concept of "salvation" you have (I'm Christian, btw, although probably not the most religious one, because of the whole organized religion deal). I do care, however, how I treat you and how you treat me (hopefully with respect). That's all that really matters.

 

[GlobalMD]

I know this thread has digressed to along different lines than the OP's post, but I just wanted to mention that I NEVER brought up religion in any of my interviews...and several interviewers brought it up. I did struggle with what/how much/if any info to put in my application...(My parents were Christian missionaries overseas, so it's a bit hard to explain where I grew up without blatantly saying that....But, I didn't want to press the religion issue inappropriately.) So, my faith was in my application because of my background, and the fact that my high school, and home was overseas til I was 18 (and you have to list all of those anyway). And, the fact that I saw a lot of physical suffering overseas was a big reason why medicine even attracted me, so that was in there....And, I did list maybe one or 2 church activities, or medical things I did overseas...but I did NOT over do it...They had to have a complete picture of me. I was VERY careful not to use very much religious lingo at all in my application. I've had friends that didn't get in, and they used waaaaay too much lingo...
In interviews I was never pushy, and never did I make any sort of deal out of religion, even though my faith is important to me..... Not one interviewer seemed to have any sort of issue with it. I was even asked "illegal" questions like "What is your denomination" (?!!), and various other religious based things. One interviewer when I walked in said "I don't know what to do with these MKs (missionary kids)!" (I really didn't know what to say to that--weird way to start the interview--but it went well.)
I wasn't ever preachy, I didn't dwell on the religious questions unless they asked more; I was just as normal as possible, and so were they. (Ok, well I had some very strange interviewers, but it had nothing to do with religion...) I think, for the record, that whatever religion you are, interviewers are smart enough to know that probably a lot of how you live your life, and your activities are motivated by that whatever faith you adhere to. No problem. Some of them are motivated the same way. I am not so sure that an interview is the time to "win" someone to your faith. Just be honest, if they bring it, up, fine; be professional, and gentle, and deal with it in a mature, kind and gentle manner...
Happy New Year!

 

[DrShambach]

So like...are you single?

It's official. The purpose of this thread has been defeated.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

😴

 

[Tired]

Interviewers respect you more when you attempt to convert them.

Alternatively, if they're already religious, be sure to mock their faith to show how "open minded" you are.

But never, ever ever, tell them you are Canadian. No one respects Canadians.

 

[shnjb]

Militant faith is back on the map.
Tony Blair, George W. Bush and those muslims...

To all the atheists out there, go watch some of Richard Dawkins' films or the Atheism tapes by BBC.
Very amusing videos indeed.