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[Doctor Bagel]

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??? what ???

so you're going to have a meeting with your dean to find out if he knows why you were in the hospital. how's that gonna go?

OP: "so, do you know where i was on friday night?"
Dean: blank stare
OP: "right then, i'll show myself the door."

i don't get it at all. if this is all on the up and up, why on earth would you set up a meeting?? if they found out, surely they would come to you.

This sums up all my thoughts on this thread. So the op might not be a troll, but he's an attention ***** I guess both at sdn and at his school.

To the op, stop snorting coke and get some counseling, please.

 

[:-P]

thank you! this thread can officially be closed now!! I feel like I have been reborn.

A natural high!

 

[ahumdinger]

... I feel like I have been reborn.

That's probably just the blow wearing off

 

[Law2Doc]

Well, I had the meeting the Dean..

I am not getting kicked out...

You probably shouldn't call those old friends up to go "celebrate".

 

[Taurus]

My dean was very receptive and he thanked me for being so truthful..

That strains credulity to believe that any dean would be so receptive as you described.

PoorMD: Uh, Dean, I snorted some coke and had a bad reaction.
Dean: Gee golly! I'm so glad you told me yourself! It shows how mature you are. You're definitely doctor material!
PoorMD: Are we best buds again?
Dean: Gosh, why not?! *hugs*

Coke is some serious stuff. My dean would be understandably pissed off. If I was allowed to stay in, it would be uncomfortable for the rest of my time there.

 

[Law2Doc]

If I was allowed to stay in, it would be uncomfortable for the rest of my time there.

Yes - One would think they would feel the need to step up the oversight over the OP pretty significantly. Things like "enrollment in a program", or "random testing" are things you would expect being entertained in letting the OP continue. Doesn't really sound likely that he would get a "don't let it happen again" soft scolding. May as well just give him high fives.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Thirded.

he actually PMed me to assure me it's true and to drop my accusations of the troll posts, which i did. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. However, poorMD, note how many other people think it sounds far-fetched so i didn't just pull that accusation out of left-field. I'll still give you the benefit of doubt.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

That strains credulity to believe that any dean would be so receptive as you described.

PoorMD: Uh, Dean, I snorted some coke and had a bad reaction.
Dean: Gee golly! I'm so glad you told me yourself! It shows how mature you are. You're definitely doctor material!
PoorMD: Are we best buds again?
Dean: Gosh, why not?! *hugs*

Coke is some serious stuff. My dean would be understandably pissed off. If I was allowed to stay in, it would be uncomfortable for the rest of my time there.

sorry i laughed picturing that...

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Yes - One would think they would feel the need to step up the oversight over the OP pretty significantly. Things like "enrollment in a program", or "random testing" are things you would expect being entertained in letting the OP continue. Doesn't really sound likely that he would get a "don't let it happen again" soft scolding. May as well just give him high fives.

i agree; at the very least they would have a strict program of his remediation and proof of his attendance and that he is staying clean; and I very well think it should be required. They have a med school's reputation to protect if they knowingly allowed him to finish and get his license while doing hard drugs and treating patients. I'm surprised the dean came to a decision so quickly...and were there lawyers involved there would b eno way the decision was made so quickly.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

I sincerely hope you appreciate what the dean allowed you; think how devastating it could have been. Also remember to thank God that your life was spared and that everything worked out in your favor. You obviously have an on-going problem and can't seem to control it. You've had previous serious issues with the law and with drugs; you can not seem to handle this on your own. So please for your own good and for the sake of your patients get some help at a rehab drug facility and get some counseling. All the best...

 

[cdql]

This calls for a celebration!

Anyone got coke? 🙂

 

[PoorMD]

I sincerely hope you appreciate what the dean allowed you; think how devastating it could have been. Also remember to thank God that your life was spared and that everything worked out in your favor. You obviously have an on-going problem and can't seem to control it. You've had previous serious issues with the law and with drugs; you can not seem to handle this on your own. So please for your own good and for the sake of your patients get some help at a rehab drug facility and get some counseling. All the best...

you are right about the ongoing problem which has gone out of control.. . I think you are right psycho doc, I plan to get some help over at the clinic for rehab. it will be a bumpy road for a long time, but i plan to stay on it. general surgery as a future career is far more important to me. thanks for the kind words,
PoorMD

 

[Cinnameg]

I second the people who have doubts about this thread.

I used to work on two crisis lines and there were several "chronic" callers who would call with bogus stories to get attention, because they knew that calling was anonymous, and also that they were going to get to talk to a sympathetic female (when a male would answer, chronics would hang up). Often they had stories relating to sex and would be anxious to give detailed descriptions of sexual abuse while, most likely, masturbating quietly on the other end. Other times it would be a long, drawn out story that the crisis line had definitely heard before, worked through before, made referrals for before, but the caller really enjoyed the process of revealing everything anew and getting empathy from a new listener, so they'd repeat the process, over and over. Almost every crisis line has callers like this.

I'm not saying that PoorMD IS a chronic, of the SDN variety, but glancing through his threads it looks to me like he is trending in that direction, which makes me think that this story might be fabricated to get attention.

If the story is real, PoorMD, and you care that we believe it's real -- which you might not, and that's ok -- tell us whatever you told PsychoDoc.

 

[histrionic md]

After reading your previous posts, I am inclined to agree with several folks.
1)You really did this
2)you want/need attention

Whom I really feel badly for are your classmates, professors, and patients (future and current). We aren't training to be priests, but we are held to a high standard by ourselves and by the people who are planning to entrust their medical care to us. If this were easy, everyone would do it! I don't want to get up in the morning for class or study while all my other friends are out doing fun stuff or be able to spend money like I when I had a job and no debt. I'd like to be able to go drinking with my sister on Tuesday nights like in undergrad, but that's just not possible. And finally, I wouldn't even dream of going into such a demanding time in my life if I were suffering with substance abuse of any sort! It's not cool, and you need to get it together.

This is real life, not a movie or a TV show or some rock song. The patients that you are probably already in contact with as an MSI look to you as an authority. No one tells them to, that's just what people do. I'm not saying it's right or fair, but it's what people think about their doctor or someone who is a medical student. Obviously you've never been in a position where people are looking up to you for anything or otherwise you'd probably have learned to conduct yourself a little better by now. I've read your posts, so I've had a bit of a look into your world of thinking. You have issues, but who doesnt'? My advice - deal with them and then pursue your goals, otherwise, this pattern will repeat, and you won't be only hurting yourself.

 

[lil pook]

dude you're a fu**in ******.

next time ya wanna do a line and you freak (ONE line...yeah right!) eat a damn valium and take your sorry a** to bed...


dork!

 

[docmode]

Take this experience as a huge wake up call. You definitely have a problem that will get you if you don't get it first. Pyscho Doctor you are the most annoying poster, why so many one after another! Are you trying to set a record for number of posts?

 

[red dot]

I ran into some friends of mine from the wrong side of the tracks, per se. They were all doing coke, so I did a line. This was a huge mistake. I did not realize how powerful the stuff was, and within 1 hour I had a blood pressure of 200/75 and HR of 175 bpm..

um, i have no idea what your options are (i think everyone else has covered this already anyway), but you did only ONE line and your bp and hr reacted in that way? are you sure it was uncut? did they get it from friends of friends? details are important...

 

[lil pook]

this is the dumbest thread i have yet to see on SDN

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Pyscho Doctor you are the most annoying poster, why so many one after another! Are you trying to set a record for number of posts?

b/c i respond to individual posts. it makes sense since some people read this board in the threaded mode. ok with you? sorry if you find it annoying; sometimes we have to deal with others' annoying habits.

 

[cdql]

Reasons why this thread is probably fake:

1) Your friends do lines of coke and you join them? What is this? 5th grade? If your friends took turns stabbing each other with toilet plungers while jumping off rooftops, would you join in as well? I find it hard to believe a medical student could be so immature.

2) You didn't realize how powerful coke is? What is this? 5th grade? What kind of medical student doesn't know what coke is? Hell, what kind of high schooler doesn't know what coke is? I bet I can quiz my 10 year old cousin and he would know that cocaine ranks higher than alcohol and marijuana in terms of effect. I find it hard to believe someone could pass the MCATs and not know about cocaine.

 

[Law2Doc]

it makes sense since some people read this board in the threaded mode.

It doesn't really matter to me how you post, but based on what I have seen, a really negligible percentage of people use the threaded mode as you are suggesting.

 

[nala]

Reasons why this thread is probably fake:

1) Your friends do lines of coke and you join them? What is this? 5th grade? If your friends took turns stabbing each other with toilet plungers while jumping off rooftops, would you join in as well? I find it hard to believe a medical student could be so immature.

2) You didn't realize how powerful coke is? What is this? 5th grade? What kind of medical student doesn't know what coke is? Hell, what kind of high schooler doesn't know what coke is? I bet I can quiz my 10 year old cousin and he would know that cocaine ranks higher than alcohol and marijuana in terms of effect. I find it hard to believe someone could pass the MCATs and not know about cocaine.

I don't quite understand the point of your post here. Just because med students have some medical knowledge about drugs doesn't mean they won't try them...I'm sure this guy is not alone. I know more than a handful of my classmates who do coke on weekends or take ritalin to study for exams. med students aren't exempt from drug use/problems just because we know more about the way drugs work.

 

[cdql]

1) I'm sure your friends know the risks and just choose to take the drugs. That's different from not actually knowing cocaine is dangerous.

2) I don't know any medical students who successfully pass courses whilst doing coke on the weekend. I must be in the wrong medical school!

 

[Rafa]

 

[Blade28]

Holy Judgemental, Batman! I love trainspotting too, will that make me a bad doctor? 😛

Just the context, that's all. 🙂

 

[bigfrank]

OK, a brief look at some of your other threads and I'm officially worried about you.

Here you talk about liking the movie Trainspotting.
Here you suggest you may try Adderall.
Apparently you smoke to "self-medicate."
Here you talk about doing drugs in college and being busted by the cops for smoking MJ.

In that last thread, you said you were going to stop this type of behavior - what happened?

Just concerned, that's all.

I've found the OP to be one of the bigges asses on SDN. I don't forsee a successful career in medicine ahead.

 

[Callogician]

Questions for poorMD?

1) Why did you make a series of egregious errors?
2) How did they treat you for acute hypertension/tachycardia?
3) How did they bill your insurance company if they didn't use your real name?
4) Why didn't you attempt to communicate with the ER staff, and why didn't you immediately insist on confidentiality?
5) Was the cocaine high good? Describe it.
6) Why are you always such a downer? Do you suffer from anxiety disorder? Is your life as exciting as you describe it, or are you just a melodramatic fool?

 

[DW3843]

Questions for poorMD?

1) Why did you make a series of egregious errors?
2) How did they treat you for acute hypertension/tachycardia?
3) How did they bill your insurance company if they didn't use your real name?
4) Why didn't you attempt to communicate with the ER staff, and why didn't you immediately insist on confidentiality?
5) Was the cocaine high good? Describe it.
6) Why are you always such a downer? Do you suffer from anxiety disorder? Is your life as exciting as you describe it, or are you just a melodramatic fool?

7) was your friend's last name "Escobar" ??

that was some funky stuff if you only did a line and had BP 200/75 with HR 175 after about an hour.
it must have been a gator tail

p.s. - this has been the most entertaining in my marathon anti-study procrastination session over the past two days

 

[Rafa]

Cocaine's a hellofadrug.

 

[OwnageMobile]

First of all, I think this thread illustrates a benefit of experimenting with drugs. So many have little empathy or understanding of the poormd's situation, those who flame away with such harsh and ignorant comments -- you will be that second-shift ER doc.

This is not to say that "drugs aren't bad," or that he didn't mess up, or that his posting record is questionable, or that his story is even true, but I just feel like pointing that out after seeing some ridiculous posts.

My guess is that your friends coke was cut with a good amount of speed. An interesting case this post has become.

 

[masterMood]

Cocaine's a hellofadrug.

🙂

 

[bigfrank]

Questions for poorMD?

1) Why did you make a series of egregious errors?
2) How did they treat you for acute hypertension/tachycardia?
3) How did they bill your insurance company if they didn't use your real name?
4) Why didn't you attempt to communicate with the ER staff, and why didn't you immediately insist on confidentiality?
5) Was the cocaine high good? Describe it.
6) Why are you always such a downer? Do you suffer from anxiety disorder? Is your life as exciting as you describe it, or are you just a melodramatic fool?

PoorMD is, paradoxically, both a histrionic liar and a coward.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

PoorMD is, paradoxically, both a histrionic liar and a coward.

Histrionic was exactly the word I was looking for -- thanks! 🙂

 

[PoorMD]

Histrionic was exactly the word I was looking for -- thanks! 🙂

Like all good things on earth, this thread has been overrun by vermin and ignorant fledglings like Big frank; to you I say go back to the peanut gallery where you can cast your judgements from the safety of your fellow groundlings, wallowing and singing in your "higher understanding" in hindsight... where you can shout as loud as you want.. Do you think you gain respect on SDN for your fine-tuned heckling? a very useful trait, indeed..

personally I shared the story so as to receive advice from CONSIDERATE people who might actually help me deal with it. 80% of the responses turned out to be jokes about my drug problem. 10% of the people told me to hide it from my Dean. The last 10% were actually understanding enough to PM me about this, those are the people who I have respect for.. thanks to those of you who did take your time to PM me..

Callogian, if you really care, send me a PM and I will answer all those q's.

To anyone else who has been flaming me for my post, calling me a liar, saying this is the stupidest thread ever??.. do me a favor, don't read my posts anymore. I didn't post it "for you" ... it was for anyone who could offer some good advice. you can read it all you want, but you add absolutely nothing to the discussion by vomiting all over an otherwise noteworthy thread.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Well, to make my last comment somewhat useful, perhaps you should again talk to a counselor about your histrionic tendencies. It sounds like you need rehab, but I think you need more than that, too.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Ok so we took a major exam. Everyone went out to party that night. When all the reasonable folks went home to deal with hangovers, I chose to pursue an even later path that took me into the depths of hell..

I ran into some friends of mine from the wrong side of the tracks, per se. They were all doing coke, so I did a line. This was a huge mistake. I did not realize how powerful the stuff was, and within 1 hour I had a blood pressure of 200/75 and HR of 175 bpm..

So i walked (briskly) to the Emergency department, which is nearby my apartment. I told the doc I snorted a line and that it was causing my heart to race. I then told him I was a med student and needed this to be kept hush hush. He agreed that I should keep this event hush hush, but sadly- his shift ended like 30 mins later, so when he transferred his patients, he had to transfer me to a new attending.
The ER docs replacing him were hardcore by the books, and they told me standard protocol was to inform the deans at the school of medicine. ... So at that point, I realized my medical career might be coming to a close.. In our student code, doing drugs of any sort is means for expulsion.

before they transferred me to the floor for observation, one of the cooler ER docs gave me an alias (i.e. on all my charts he wrote the name "Jake Grone." instead of "John Simes" This alias was used all throughout my care, and I am just curious- will that help me someday in covering this up from the feds? i.e. the FDA for liscensure?

I have to meet with my Deans tommorow, if they don't kick me out I will be suprised.

Medical schools shouldn't allow people to remain in school that abuse illegal drugs. You will be entrusted by the DEA to dispense schedule II drugs at will.

Terrible decisions require terrible consequences.

I hope the Dean came down hard.

 

[Pemulis]

Medical schools shouldn't allow people to remain in school that abuse illegal drugs. You will be entrusted by the DEA to dispense schedule II drugs at will.

Terrible decisions require terrible consequences.

I hope the Dean came down hard.

In principal I agree that Doctors need to be held to a higher standard than Joe average citizen when it comes to drug use, as they are entrusted with making life and death decisions for others.

That said, we don't know much about PoorMD other than that he did a line of coke recently. That might not be the smartest move--for a lot of reasons--but I hardly think that qualifies, in and of itself, as "abuse". And I have known quite a few people in my life who used drugs--legal or otherwise--on a more than "I tried it once in college" basis and yet still remain functional, decent people. The idea that any use of any illegal drug qualifies as "abuse" is one of the pillars of the horses**t arguments the government has rammed down the throats of the American people for the last several decades in its attempt to convince us that its paternalistic, obtrusive, "war on drugs" is justified.

Lastly, I would just ask how many of us haven't, at some point in our lives, done something stupid that could have blown up in our face and cost us a medical career? I'm not condoning PoorMD's behavior or making any statements about his particular situation, because I don't know him. I'm just saying that in principal I believe in second (and somtimes third and fourth) chances.

 

[Law2Doc]

In principal I agree that Doctors need to be held to a higher standard than Joe average citizen when it comes to drug use, as they are entrusted with making life and death decisions for others.

That said, we don't know much about PoorMD other than that he did a line of coke recently. That might not be the smartest move--for a lot of reasons--but I hardly think that qualifies, in and of itself, as "abuse". And I have known quite a few people in my life who used drugs--legal or otherwise--on a more than "I tried it once in college" basis and yet still remain functional, decent people. The idea that any use of any illegal drug qualifies as "abuse" is one of the pillars of the horses**t arguments the government has rammed down the throats of the American people for the last several decades in its attempt to convince us that its paternalistic, obtrusive, "war on drugs" is justified.

Lastly, I would just ask how many of us haven't, at some point in our lives, done something stupid that could have blown up in our face and cost us a medical career? I'm not condoning PoorMD's behavior or making any statements about his particular situation, because I don't know him. I'm just saying that in principal I believe in second (and somtimes third and fourth) chances.

Some would argue that posting multiple threads relating to potential consequences of illegal drug use (the previous time being criminal), and the fact that the OP claims he ended up needing medical attention this time, suggests a problem more serious than those folks you mention who remain functional. The OP is going into a high pressure profession, and high pressure professionals often tend to be at higher risk of substance abuses than the average 9 to 5'er. The OP is also going into a field where he will be administering medications, and making life or death decisions on others. And as mentioned in prior threads, a number of programs are now beginning to implement drug testing. Based on that which he has shared, it appears he may already be at or past his "fourth chance". Time to take this as a wakeup call and shape up.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Some would argue that posting multiple threads relating to potential consequences of illegal drug use (the previous time being criminal), and the fact that the OP claims he ended up needing medical attention this time, suggests a problem more serious than those folks you mention who remain functional. The OP is going into a high pressure profession, and high pressure professionals often tend to be at higher risk of substance abuses than the average 9 to 5'er. The OP is also going into a field where he will be administering medications, and making life or death decisions on others. And as mentioned in prior threads, a number of programs are now beginning to implement drug testing. Based on that which he has shared, it appears he may already be at or past his "fourth chance". Time to take this as a wakeup call and shape up.

Exactly. From looking at the op's history, it's clear this isn't his first drug-related screw-up.

 

[Herman Bloom]

2) I don't know any medical students who successfully pass courses whilst doing coke on the weekend. I must be in the wrong medical school!

No, you just think you don't know them. That stuff is everywhere.

Terrible decisions require terrible consequences.

Medical schools shouldn't allow people to remain in school that abuse illegal drugs

Right. That type of leniency should be reserved for less important jobs like, say, the Presidency of the United States.

 

[Surg Path]

Medical schools shouldn't allow people to remain in school that abuse illegal drugs. You will be entrusted by the DEA to dispense schedule II drugs at will.

Terrible decisions require terrible consequences.

I hope the Dean came down hard.

I find it impossible that the ER docs communicated to your Dean. There are a few situations when a Doc is required to break confidentiality, such as if one tells a doc you are going to kill someone or yourself, or when cops are involved and there is a legal order.

There are also a few things on medical disorders and practicing, e.g. an MD who has a seizure for some reason is not allowed to practice surgery for several months.

If the ER docs did say something, their jobs are on the line. The Dean would know this, so he/she would probably take no further action on poorMD because ultimately the only legal issue would be malpractice.

 

[Surg Path]

why did poorMD go to the hospital in the first place?

Walking briskly home with tachycardia of 150 (or even 175) is not going to kill a young person. Don't know what year poorMD is in med school, but he should know that anyway, despite some cocaine induced paranoia.

PoorMD, how are u planning on getting through a residency? Next time you'll be partying while on call, and you'll end up losing your license AND going to jail.

Please get some help.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

why did poorMD go to the hospital in the first place?

Walking briskly home with tachycardia of 150 (or even 175) is not going to kill a young person. Don't know what year poorMD is in med school, but he should know that anyway, despite some cocaine induced paranoia.

PoorMD, how are u planning on getting through a residency? Next time you'll be partying while on call, and you'll end up losing your license AND going to jail.

Please get some help.

I guess he went because he likes the attention, and he told his dean for the same reason. Or else he's lying. Either way, his story doesn't make a long of sense. Snorting cocaine isn't his only problem.

 

[Surg Path]

I guess he went because he likes the attention, and he told his dean for the same reason. Or else he's lying. Either way, his story doesn't make a long of sense. Snorting cocaine isn't his only problem.

agree

 

[Law2Doc]

The Dean would know this, so he/she would probably take no further action on poorMD because ultimately the only legal issue would be malpractice.

The malpractice sword cuts two ways here. If down the road PoorMD while impaired injures a patient, the case is now indefensible as the school has knowledge of his drug use -- it becomes a case of negligent supervision and the hospital will be sued far in excess of any suit PoorMD would have under HIPAA. So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
(Not that I wholly buy the scenario, but it does present an interesting dilemma).

 

[Surg Path]

The malpractice sword cuts two ways here. If down the road PoorMD while impaired injures a patient, the case is now indefensible as the school has knowledge of his drug use -- it becomes a case of negligent supervision and the hospital will be sued far in excess of any suit PoorMD would have under HIPPA. So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
(Not that I wholly buy the scenario, but it does present an interesting dilemma).

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the breach of confidentiality would make the info from the ER DOCs not admissable in court.

If poorMD actually told the Dean he did blow (can't get over his stupidity), then I imagine this could be used down the line.

 

[Law2Doc]

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the breach of confidentiality would make the info from the ER DOCs not admissable in court.

If poorMD actually told the Dean he did blow (can't get over his stupidity), then I imagine this could be used down the line.

I'm not sure the privileges extend between the right people here. If I were the med school, wouldn't bet my insurance policy that it couldn't be gotten into court.

 

[Cinnameg]

It doesn't really matter to me how you post, but based on what I have seen, a really negligible percentage of people use the threaded mode as you are suggesting.

Call me stupid (yes, go ahead) but what is "threaded mode"?

 

[Law2Doc]

Call me stupid (yes, go ahead) but what is "threaded mode"?

Go to dispay modes at the top of the thread, and you can try it. No one but Psycho Doc does, though.

 

[Cinnameg]

Like all good things on earth, this thread has been overrun by vermin and ignorant fledglings like Big frank; to you I say go back to the peanut gallery where you can cast your judgements from the safety of your fellow groundlings, wallowing and singing in your "higher understanding" in hindsight... where you can shout as loud as you want.. Do you think you gain respect on SDN for your fine-tuned heckling? a very useful trait, indeed..

personally I shared the story so as to receive advice from CONSIDERATE people who might actually help me deal with it. 80% of the responses turned out to be jokes about my drug problem. 10% of the people told me to hide it from my Dean. The last 10% were actually understanding enough to PM me about this, those are the people who I have respect for.. thanks to those of you who did take your time to PM me..

Callogian, if you really care, send me a PM and I will answer all those q's.

To anyone else who has been flaming me for my post, calling me a liar, saying this is the stupidest thread ever??.. do me a favor, don't read my posts anymore. I didn't post it "for you" ... it was for anyone who could offer some good advice. you can read it all you want, but you add absolutely nothing to the discussion by vomiting all over an otherwise noteworthy thread.

I agree that nobody should be making fun of you for doing a line of coke. I work with a lot of people with drug addiction problems and there's nothing funny about it. And nobody should be faulting you for going to the emergency room when you were high and worried -- after all, even if that put your medical career at risk, you couldn't be expected to be making perfect decisions while under the influence.