Help!- I'm struggling

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MEG@COOL said:
Dont you get burned out by working basically 16 hours a day?
Am I tired??? Yes.

Am I burnt out??? Nope. That is the blessing of having the friends to study with. The study time flies right by.

Typical Day during Anatomy Block (not the same as Molec Cell/Biochem):

M-F:
Class 8am-3pm
Sleep 4pm-7pm
Study Group 8pm-2am
Sleep 3am-7am
(Go jogging somewhere inbetween)


Sat & Sun:
Sleep till noon
Click around and do partial review and study throughout the day. Rent some movies to relax in the evenings. Play with my cat.

One Week before the test is the time it all comes together, and that is when i have to pull the full 16hours of study per day for an entire week. Also, as I've said before, the study time with my friends is not nearly as anguishing/boring as if I were to go at it alone.

Hope that explains things.

Regards,

-Salty 👍
 
SaltySqueegee said:
Typical Day during Anatomy Block (not the same as Molec Cell/Biochem):

Study Group 8pm-2am

Salty, can you explain to me what exactly you do in your anatomy study group? I mean, what is the common sequence of events? Anatomy seems totally devoid of concepts and full of facts and I feel like group study is more for discussing concepts and such. Do you guys sit there and say things like: "Let's talk about those cranial nerves!" "Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean can someone explain to me about CNIII being the oculomotive nerve and CNIV being the trochlear nerve? I just don't get it!" "And how about the branches of the external carotid artery. Can someone please just make those a little more clear for me?" Just curious.​
 
FernandoV said:
Salty, can you explain to me what exactly you do in your anatomy study group? I mean, what is the common sequence of events? Anatomy seems totally devoid of concepts and full of facts and I feel like group study is more for discussing concepts and such. Do you guys sit there and say things like: "Let's talk about those cranial nerves!" "Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean can someone explain to me about CNIII being the oculomotive nerve and CNIV being the trochlear nerve? I just don't get it!" "And how about the branches of the external carotid artery. Can someone please just make those a little more clear for me?" Just curious.​

In his defense, it does make sense to spend a FEW (like two or three) hours a week and maybe five or six hours before the final quizzing each other over the cadaver. I think you only do this after you've memorized the relevant syllabus/atlas sections on your own (although this certainly shouldn't require six hours a day on top of coursework and dissection). I would say this study schedule is absolutely insane and indicates gross inefficiency and/or lack of focus during study periods.
 
FernandoV said:
Salty, can you explain to me what exactly you do in your anatomy study group? I mean, what is the common sequence of events? Anatomy seems totally devoid of concepts and full of facts and I feel like group study is more for discussing concepts and such. Do you guys sit there and say things like: "Let's talk about those cranial nerves!" "Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean can someone explain to me about CNIII being the oculomotive nerve and CNIV being the trochlear nerve? I just don't get it!" "And how about the branches of the external carotid artery. Can someone please just make those a little more clear for me?" Just curious.​


The latter half of the day Class day after lunch till 3pm is when we normally have anatomy lab. It is at this time we actually start our studying. It begins with the normal clearing of large quantities of fat from whatever minute structure were trying to learn about (sometimes I think we don't actually find anything, but instead are imagining things; resulting in us carving the imagined structure out of amorphous fascia :laugh: 😀 ). After we have things ID'd, we start quizzing each other. What's this, what's its origin, insertion, action, blood supply, innervation. What are the sources of the innervation, and blood supply. What were to happen if blood supply were compromised, here, there... What if nerve impingement were to happen, here and there, and what are all the muscles and organs that would be effected. We go around the table 3 to 4 times making sure that we all repeat the answer. If one of us gets it wrong, then we correct each other. It's a little bit of no man or women left behind mentality in our study group. Also, during this time, we dedicate two-three people to dissect, while one person is a dedicated Quizzer. That person ramps us up for the quizzing session at the end of lab.

After class/lab, is exercise and relax time to go home and recover from our day's classes. Later we meet back up for the 8pm-2am study block. We look over our notes. Usually one person summarizes a page of notes for a few minutes, asking individuals within the group questions about that lecture page, quizzing everyone in a methodical manner. If something seems vague, we bust out with text books or google.com. We usually have a laptop with software on it that has demonstrations that were alluded to during the lecture. We take a look at that, asking and quizzing once more. If a concept seems particularly daunting, we each take turns writing it on the mobile white board that our group uses. The reiteration of the difficult concept usually syncs in indefinately after 2-3 times.

Usually, whoever's house were at, that person cooks the dinner that night, so food is always cheap and somewhat healthy. This four hour block is split into tinier blocks of study time and BS breaks. i.e. we study for 25minutes straight with the quizzing, then break for 5minutes to talk about whatever. The interactive study style has worked well for me.

The study group dynamic consists of 2 boistrous talkative type B personalities and 2-3 type A attentive personalities. It comes out to being a perfect mixture of detail, creative memorizing and conceptual learning.

In the end, I don't have to 'cram' for a test persay; it's more of a period were we are reviewing everything for the final time--crossing the t's and dotting the i's. By getting with others, I have developed a steady work ethic. I get an adequate amount of sleep (2 shifts of 3-4 hours a day ~7total). And I feel pretty prepared for my tests. My scores range from middle of High Pass to low Honors. Basically a B+ student. And I'm still sane thank god!
 
WatchingWaiting said:
I would say this study schedule is absolutely insane and indicates gross inefficiency and/or lack of focus during study periods.
To each their own. The above posts just show how I learn best. I would not be passing anatomy if I studied bymyself. I'm an interactive group learner.

Regards,

-Salty
 
6 hours of study a day? jeez. that schedule is something out of "Gross Anatomy".
 
So i took a midterm this past monday.

Studied pretty hard for it-- and I have finally got a grade above the class average- class average was a 77... I didn't score very much above it, but the fact that I passed at a comfortable range makes me feel better.

Trying to incorporate working out into my schedule and it has been good so far.

Thanks everyone for your support- I'll keep you updated.
 
Vgirl said:
So i took a midterm this past monday.

Studied pretty hard for it-- and I have finally got a grade above the class average- class average was a 77... I didn't score very much above it, but the fact that I passed at a comfortable range makes me feel better.

Trying to incorporate working out into my schedule and it has been good so far.

Thanks everyone for your support- I'll keep you updated.


Congratulations vgirl. Well done. Yeah, staying fit is very important for keeping your spirits up. Have a great holiday. 🙂
 
Vgirl-

Congrats. I think the learning curve in med school is steep... it is generally very different from undergrad and unfortunately takes a huge amount of stress and wigging out before you figure out the best ways to study for yourself.

Keeping fit is a great way to help keep it all inline. And realize, once you start figureing out what works for you, (and likewise for your classmates) your stress will decrease and you might find it easier to find people you have things in common with.

Enjoy your holidays! I think its goign to stay relatively warm. 🙂
 
SaltySqueegee said:
The latter half of the day Class day after lunch till 3pm is when we normally have anatomy lab. It is at this time we actually start our studying. It begins with the normal clearing of large quantities of fat from whatever minute structure were trying to learn about (sometimes I think we don't actually find anything, but instead are imagining things; resulting in us carving the imagined structure out of amorphous fascia :laugh: 😀 ). After we have things ID'd, we start quizzing each other. What's this, what's its origin, insertion, action, blood supply, innervation. What are the sources of the innervation, and blood supply. What were to happen if blood supply were compromised, here, there... What if nerve impingement were to happen, here and there, and what are all the muscles and organs that would be effected. We go around the table 3 to 4 times making sure that we all repeat the answer. If one of us gets it wrong, then we correct each other. It's a little bit of no man or women left behind mentality in our study group. Also, during this time, we dedicate two-three people to dissect, while one person is a dedicated Quizzer. That person ramps us up for the quizzing session at the end of lab.

After class/lab, is exercise and relax time to go home and recover from our day's classes. Later we meet back up for the 8pm-2am study block. We look over our notes. Usually one person summarizes a page of notes for a few minutes, asking individuals within the group questions about that lecture page, quizzing everyone in a methodical manner. If something seems vague, we bust out with text books or google.com. We usually have a laptop with software on it that has demonstrations that were alluded to during the lecture. We take a look at that, asking and quizzing once more. If a concept seems particularly daunting, we each take turns writing it on the mobile white board that our group uses. The reiteration of the difficult concept usually syncs in indefinately after 2-3 times.

Usually, whoever's house were at, that person cooks the dinner that night, so food is always cheap and somewhat healthy. This four hour block is split into tinier blocks of study time and BS breaks. i.e. we study for 25minutes straight with the quizzing, then break for 5minutes to talk about whatever. The interactive study style has worked well for me.

The study group dynamic consists of 2 boistrous talkative type B personalities and 2-3 type A attentive personalities. It comes out to being a perfect mixture of detail, creative memorizing and conceptual learning.

In the end, I don't have to 'cram' for a test persay; it's more of a period were we are reviewing everything for the final time--crossing the t's and dotting the i's. By getting with others, I have developed a steady work ethic. I get an adequate amount of sleep (2 shifts of 3-4 hours a day ~7total). And I feel pretty prepared for my tests. My scores range from middle of High Pass to low Honors. Basically a B+ student. And I'm still sane thank god!

Once again, Jeezus H. Keerist. 8 PM to 2 AM? Every day? Sleeping in shifts? Good Lord. I used to think I was just slow but now that I see the study habits of those people above me in the class I am getting the idea that even though I am a "C" student I must be some kind of friggin' genius to pass every test with about one tenth of the study time you put in.

Tell your Uncle Panda Bear that you are just spoofing us. To the others reading this thread, perhaps some of you starting medical school in the fall, while Saltysqueegee is to be commended for great study habits and has my perplexed but sincere admiration, you do not have to study this hard in medical school. In fact, the patented "Panda System" is to eschew the groups, the rigid regimens, and the highlighting and merely dedicate four hours a day, six days a week to quality studying.

After the four hours are up have the discipline to stop studying and go for a run, lift weights, walk the dogs, or watch TV. At first you will feel like you need to study more but after a while you will be suprised at how much material you have covered and reviewed before every test.

And as to gross anatomy, let me give you guys some advice.

Screw it. Sure, you need to go to lab and poke around a little to get the feel for things but it is much more efficient to get a Rohan's Photographic Atlas and use this as your non-smelly, non-gooey, portable anatomy lab.

Understand that most schools test you on gross anatomy by holding what is called a "practical." In this test, you circulate around the lab from tank to tank (as if in some unholy buffet ) and are given a certain amount of time at each cadaver to identify a tagged item. The tagged item is usually well dissected and does not require any digging on your part. True, it is better to be familliar with your own cadaver but since their are usually anywhere from twenty to fifty cadavers depending on the size of your class, most of the tagged items will be on cadavers with which you are unfamiliar. With this being the case, you might as well use a photographic atlas which usually shows structures in unambiguously dissected in several views.

Heck, the Rohan's atlas has thelegend on the side or under the photograph with numbered leaders to the structures. It is practically tailor made for quizzing yourself.

I'm not saying not to study anantomy, only that you need to be efficient. If you are studying from 8 PM untill 2 AM every night then you need to work on efficiency.
 
Panda Bear said:
Once again, Jeezus H. Keerist. 8 PM to 2 AM? Every day? Sleeping in shifts? Good Lord. I used to think I was just slow but now that I see the study habits of those people above me in the class I am getting the idea that even though I am a "C" student I must be some kind of friggin' genius to pass every test with about one tenth of the study time you put in..

Abso-fu<king-lutely. In all the tutoring I've done that has been the most important and difficult thing to get across. You hit the nail on the head. It's all about the work you put in. Unfortunately it's generally those who work the hardest who perpetuate the "I don't really have to study" myth, or better still the "I got 270 on step one but I only did four weeks study" myth. When it comes to study, scholers aren't the most honest folks in the world. Remember that. 😉
 
There are people like Salty in every class...We have one who after our Anat final we had the entire thanksgiving weekend to do nothing but pre-read for the next monday and he studied at least 20 hours over that weekend...and he was saying how he was glad for x-mas break because then he could study without having to interupt his schedule to come to class....we had two tests in the days before x-mas break...I personally won't be doing anything until January!!!
 
This recent string of studying has only been sparked by anatomy. I used to be a slacker-supreme in Biochem/molec-cell; studying only the weekend prior to an exam and passing with similar results to what I am doing now. It's just that anatomy content is a different beast than what I've encountered before.

Now when Physio/Pharm hits... That's what my undergrad degree was in!!!

I hate anatomy.

Oh, and congratulations VGirl
 
phoenixsupra said:
Yeah, that'll work when your goal, as you say, is to barely pass. That's fine. I'm more of a pick you battles kind of guy. I coast some and work hard on others. Your approach is only good for coasting. BTW the drawback with aiming to "barely pass" is the danger of "barely" failing. 😉

I think the "take home message" here is that everyone has different study methods. What works for YOU is inefficiency to others, and what works for others doesn't work for you.
 
SarahGM said:
I think the "take home message" here is that everyone has different study messages. What works for YOU is inefficiency to others, and what works for others doesn't work for you.

Uh? What's your point? I never said otherwise. The bottom line with that old conversation that you just dug up was that you don't get a's in medschool by taking it easy. I havn't seen ANY exceptions to that yet. What you feel you need to put in depends very much on what your goals are. 😉
 
phoenixsupra said:
Uh? What's your point? I never said otherwise. The bottom line with that old conversation that you just dug up was that you don't get a's in medschool by taking it easy. I havn't seen ANY exceptions to that yet. What you feel you need to put in depends very much on what your goals are. 😉

I've been taking finals and finally had some vacation time to catch up on SDN... wasn't aware there was a time limit on responding to comments.

Holiday cheer anyone?
 
SarahGM said:
I've been taking finals and finally had some vacation time to catch up on SDN... wasn't aware there was a time limit on responding to comments.

Holiday cheer anyone?

I hope your finals went well. :luck: No, there's no time limit. I don't see any connection between your comment and the quote you sited. I'm just trying to clarify the earlier conversation for you. I apologize if I seemed harsh. I was freezing cold when I wrote it. Damn heating was turned off in the building. Well, I went downstairs and showed the landlord (slumlord) the rent check that he wouldn't be getting untill the heat went back on. Two hours later and whatayaknow. Toasty and warm in here. 🙂 Anyway, glad you are finished. Have a great holiday. 🙂 🙂 :luck:
 
We just finished anatomy!! It was amazing. I have a great appreciation for the human body even though it was a taxing process.

As far as studying, I think a balance needs to be maintained. More than 4-6 hours a day is excessive; not studying for more than 2 days in a row is harmful. If you can average about 25 hours a week of studying and 20 hours a week of class, you're doing well (with some leeway). It's also important to eat right, sleep 7+ hours/night, exercise at least three times a week, spend time talking with friends both inside and outside med school, and date/spend time with your s.o. If you can also do 1 outside activity (like religious services, dancing, reading some good literature, philosophy, etc.) then you probably have adequate balance.

That's my personal goal. So far I've had some difficulty eating totally right, exercising, and I've been only seeing someone a little bit on the side. But I have some incredible friends around the country, and great roommates and some people I hope will be closer friends in the future. I also need to work on that outside activity.


phoenixsupra said:
I hope your finals went well. :luck: No, there's no time limit. I don't see any connection between your comment and the quote you sited. I'm just trying to clarify the earlier conversation for you. I apologize if I seemed harsh. I was freezing cold when I wrote it. Damn heating was turned off in the building. Well, I went downstairs and showed the landlord (slumlord) the rent check that he wouldn't be getting untill the heat went back on. Two hours later and whatayaknow. Toasty and warm in here. 🙂 Anyway, glad you are finished. Have a great holiday. 🙂 🙂 :luck:
 
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