Help Me Choose Between A Bs/md Program And An Ivy

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So...guaranteed med school with a normal chance of acceptance at a more highly ranked med school. Plus better financial aid and fewer years paying for school.
vs
normal chance of acceptance at med school with perhaps a slightly increased chance at a more highly ranked school?

I don't know what this board is smoking, but it seems pretty clear-cut to me to pick the combined program. It commits you to nothing, eliminates very few opportunities for you, decreases debt, and gives you a guaranteed minimum level of success.
Meh I turned down bs/md at Albany 4 years ago and it turned out for the better. Currently sitting on a handful of acceptances at better programs and waiting for a few more. So maybe it's not clear cut when you've actually been in the position. The retention rate at that program is like 50%. I wonder why?
 
So...guaranteed med school with a normal chance of acceptance at a more highly ranked med school. Plus better financial aid and fewer years paying for school.
vs
normal chance of acceptance at med school with perhaps a slightly increased chance at a more highly ranked school?

I don't know what this board is smoking, but it seems pretty clear-cut to me to pick the combined program. It commits you to nothing, eliminates very few opportunities for you, decreases debt, and gives you a guaranteed minimum level of success.

Yeah, except in this case you'd have to live in albany for 6-7 years. Sounds so bleak!

If you're smart enough to get into an Ivy, you can probably get your ish together to get into med school if you don't slack off.
 
Yeah, except in this case you'd have to live in albany for 6-7 years. Sounds so bleak!

If you're smart enough to get into an Ivy, you can probably get your ish together to get into med school if you don't slack off.
I don't really put much importance on where I live.

Sent from my phone, sorry for any typos or brevity.
 
I went to Stanford. It's the best school in the United States and everybody got accepted to medical school. Everybody. If I was you I would bail on those BA/MD programs and go to the best undergrad you can. College rocked. Glad I could clear up the confusion.
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I don't really put much importance on where I live.

Sent from my phone, sorry for any typos or brevity.

This is why we can't have nice things.

And I don't put much importance into being tied down to a school when you could likely do better, both financially and academically.
 
This is why we can't have nice things.

And I don't put much importance into being tied down to a school when you could likely do better, both financially and academically.
But you're not tied to it...that's the whole point. It's a 100% shot at med school plus pretty much the same chance you had before.

Sent from my phone, sorry for any typos or brevity.
 
But you're not tied to it...that's the whole point. It's a 100% shot at med school plus pretty much the same chance you had before.

Sent from my phone, sorry for any typos or brevity.

You're tied to going to a meh school for both undergrad and med school...

Yeah, all US med schools are fantastic, but I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom on this one. I wouldn't trust 17 year old me with me with a decision like that!
 
You're tied to going to a meh school for both undergrad and med school...

Yeah, all US med schools are fantastic, but I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom on this one. I wouldn't trust 17 year old me with me with a decision like that!

Not if you go to a program that allows you to apply out
 
You're tied to going to a meh school for both undergrad and med school...

Yeah, all US med schools are fantastic, but I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom on this one. I wouldn't trust 17 year old me with me with a decision like that!
But...he's not tied. There are literally no consequences to them continuing to apply to medical school just like they would if they didn't do the BS/MD program. So it's: do undergrad in 3yrs with good financial aid, normal chances of getting into a great medical school, 100% chance of going to medical school, period.
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Do undergrad in 4yrs with worse financial aid, slightly higher chances of getting into a great medical school, normal chance of going to medical school, period.

They're getting paid to have less stress and a 100% shot at acceptance, and all they gamble is a negligible decrease in competitiveness at top medical schools.
 
You're tied to an undergrad...
And you're making up the bit about worse financial aid, no?

I guess I'm just stuck on the albany part of this lol.
 
Meh I turned down bs/md at Albany 4 years ago and it turned out for the better. Currently sitting on a handful of acceptances at better programs and waiting for a few more. So maybe it's not clear cut when you've actually been in the position. The retention rate at that program is like 50%. I wonder why?
Actually retention rate is closer to 80-90%. A majority of my cohorts did top residencies in their respective fields. At the end of the day just depends on the person, goals, interests. You can't go wrong - I respect everyone's path. I did residency with people who came from both backgrounds and I couldn't tell the difference from an academic standpoint or personal standpoint. Yes huge downsides to living in latitude 30 but advantages to being at the very least 1-2 years younger than co-residents. Also there are combined programs at much better locations than Albany so if you can get in then even better!
 
You're tied to an undergrad...
And you're making up the bit about worse financial aid, no?

I guess I'm just stuck on the albany part of this lol.
Who cares about 'tied to undergrad'? Everyone here is treating it like a stepping stone on the path to the MD education OP wants, and that seems reasonable. They'd be just as tied to Penn if they went there...the point is that all OP is really choosing between is undergrads, because he's not committed to Albany med school afterwards. He's just guaranteed a spot there if he wants it.

And no, not making up the part about financial aid.
Ok, I'm back. I'm getting alot of financial aid at RPI and CMU. Not much really from the ivies.
 
I'd still go to CMU over school in Albany.

If it isn't clear yet, I'm heavily biased against Albany. If it was any other accelerated program, I'd personally consider it more. If someone was dead set on medicine and dead set on doing it all faster, this wouldn't really be a decision you know?

I'm also old so it's hard for me to think of this from the perspective of someone who is a decade younger because I don't think I would have made the right decision at the time. In the end I went to the cheapest undergrad, which happened to be the best ranked one as well of my acceptances. I don't know how I would have done things had I applied for and gotten into an accelerated program.
 
I went to Stanford. It's the best school in the United States and everybody got accepted to medical school. Everybody. If I was you I would bail on those BA/MD programs and go to the best undergrad you can. College rocked. Glad I could clear up the confusion.

To offer a counter example, I went to one of the more well-regarded BS/MD programs out there, and I can say that I have no regrets turning down the likes of hahhvaaahd for it. Undergrad was all fun, no stress. No MCAT. No interviews. I took glassblowing at an art school for full credit. I studied abroad for an entire year and got smashed with nerdy British students nightly and completed enough research for my senior thesis before I came back stateside. Continued through med school without a hitch, and now I'm at a baller anesthesia residency at ItsAboutThePatient's alma mater. 10/10 would do again.
 
I'd still go to CMU over school in Albany.

If it isn't clear yet, I'm heavily biased against Albany. If it was any other accelerated program, I'd personally consider it more. If someone was dead set on medicine and dead set on doing it all faster, this wouldn't really be a decision you know?

I'm also old so it's hard for me to think of this from the perspective of someone who is a decade younger because I don't think I would have made the right decision at the time. In the end I went to the cheapest undergrad, which happened to be the best ranked one as well of my acceptances. I don't know how I would have done things had I applied for and gotten into an accelerated program.

It's not about the faster, it's about the guarantee. Admissions doesn't have many of those anymore. Getting one without trading away good financial aid or the ability to apply elsewhere? To me, that's a no-brainer. But then, I've never really understood caring too much about where you are when you're going to spend all of your time at your school with your classmates anyways.
 
It's not about the faster, it's about the guarantee. Admissions doesn't have many of those anymore. Getting one without trading away good financial aid or the ability to apply elsewhere? To me, that's a no-brainer. But then, I've never really understood caring too much about where you are when you're going to spend all of your time at your school with your classmates anyways.

I'm also older. I tend to spend more time talking to older friends than my classmates some weeks. I'm more likely to head back to the city where I used to live on a day off to see friends I used to work with, or visit friends out of town if I have a break. During the school year, I end up spending a lot of time with my girlfriend and her family that live out of state since I do a lot of studying there.

It really comes down to your preferences.

I'm not saying that it's a bad decision so much as a personal one. There are no guarantees in anything. Poor academic performance during school can also get you kicked out of the accelerated track.

To me, personally, I don't see the point of rushing into this. I did a lot of things in college that weren't related to medicine and I kind of came back to my interest in medicine over the long term. If someone is dead set on medicine in high school, then more power to them. I know that I was not that disciplined then and probably wouldn't have done well in that kind of narrow pathway. I'm a meander-er.

I haven't been on much here in a while, but I remember that we've disagreed with stuff like this before. The beauty of this is that there is no wrong answer!
 
Do the 7 year. If you decide against medicine, you can drop out. They won't do anything. Use the extra year to do a research year between 2nd and 3 year of med school. Pick up an MPH/MBA/JD and do research in field of your choice. Get money. Unless the "Ivy" is giving you full ride or close to it, then do the ivy.
 
You're tied to going to a meh school for both undergrad and med school...

Yeah, all US med schools are fantastic, but I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom on this one. I wouldn't trust 17 year old me with me with a decision like that!
Reality is that 17 is not that young. Pretty much everywhere else in the world that is the age when you choose a general field/career. Also the purpose of the combined program is that you don't have to do worry about premed classes and can take all kinds of fun non medical courses. For me the entire purpose was to study everything other than medicine while maintaining the ultimate career plan of medicine. It's funny to hear people say oh sucks to be in Albany but several of the traditional route students came from prestigious undergrads to Albany. I think it also depends which program and which traditional undergrad you're choosing between. If it's Harvard undergrad I wouldn't do a bs md program. If it's Dartmouth or cmu I really don't see value in those schools...
 
Reality is that 17 is not that young. Pretty much everywhere else in the world that is the age when you choose a general field/career. Also the purpose of the combined program is that you don't have to do worry about premed classes and can take all kinds of fun non medical courses. For me the entire purpose was to study everything other than medicine while maintaining the ultimate career plan of medicine. It's funny to hear people say oh sucks to be in Albany but several of the traditional route students came from prestigious undergrads to Albany. I think it also depends which program and which traditional undergrad you're choosing between. If it's Harvard undergrad I wouldn't do a bs md program. If it's Dartmouth or cmu I really don't see value in those schools...

Why do you say that? Dartmouth places 50% of its grads into finance or consulting and is a feeder to top med schools while CMU is one of the best places to go for computer science
 
I grew up in one of those places where folks start way earlier. I know people that went through that entire process and are younger than me and practicing physicians. There are cons to that system as well.

The thing is that it all works. Everyone has their reasons and most of the reasons are revisionist because that's how the mind works. If you do end up dropping out of that program to do something else, you'd likely have been served better by going to a different undergrad. Albany isn't a bad medical school, none of the US ones are (with the exception of LUCOM perhaps), but if that's all you get into... you're going to go... Which is why people from 'top' undergrads end up there. I bet a few of them either thought the prestige of their undergrad would get them through or they didn't apply to enough places. You're also ignoring the fact that a lot of folks don't interview well and might not be the best face to put in front of a nervous patient.
 
I'm also older. I tend to spend more time talking to older friends than my classmates some weeks. I'm more likely to head back to the city where I used to live on a day off to see friends I used to work with, or visit friends out of town if I have a break. During the school year, I end up spending a lot of time with my girlfriend and her family that live out of state since I do a lot of studying there.

It really comes down to your preferences.

I'm not saying that it's a bad decision so much as a personal one. There are no guarantees in anything. Poor academic performance during school can also get you kicked out of the accelerated track.

To me, personally, I don't see the point of rushing into this. I did a lot of things in college that weren't related to medicine and I kind of came back to my interest in medicine over the long term. If someone is dead set on medicine in high school, then more power to them. I know that I was not that disciplined then and probably wouldn't have done well in that kind of narrow pathway. I'm a meander-er.

I haven't been on much here in a while, but I remember that we've disagreed with stuff like this before. The beauty of this is that there is no wrong answer!
You're likely not much older than me. This is one of those places where people tend to misread my lack of attachment to homes or cities or towns or a set group of friends as an age thing, when really it's more of a "never lived in the same place for more than 4-5yrs in my entire life" thing. My parents never have and never will own a home, at least not one they intend to live in year-round themselves. I don't know that I won't end up deciding similarly; I know I don't intend to even consider settling in one place until at least one job past residency. For me, cities and states come and go, and really the biggest difference between any two of them is the weather (or, arguably, the traffic patterns). I make wonderful friends, but I always know I'll say goodbye eventually and have to start over.

Trust me, I get the meandering thing...I just don't see that the Albany program precludes a bit of wandering. If anything, it would seem to me that it encourages it more than the traditional route, in that you don't need to get As or prep for the MCAT if you don't want to. You can spend 3yrs exploring other options...or stay hardcore premed and explore other, better med schools, or spend 3yrs coasting academically and spend your extravagant amount of free time building a life and a social network in the town you are going to spend 4 harder years in for the medical school you're guaranteed entry to. Hell, the better finaid gives you the option of saying "screw it all, I really just want to tend bar for the next 10yrs" if you really want. Getting finaid and a guarantee opens your options more than closes them. All they really trade is living in Albany for 3-4yrs instead of Philly, or wherever the other acceptances are. And sure, that part is personal. But given that nothing thus far implies that their other options keep them near preexisting family or friends...in my mind, you'd have to have a REALLY strong bias against Albany or an equally strong preference for undergrad prestige for that equation to work out.
 
I have a really strong bias against Albany. I interviewed there and wondered if I really wanted to be a doctor I'd that's the only place where I got in. It was my first acceptance.

Their aid was also terrible.

I'm living somewhere for school where I never thought I'd want to live, but I've grown to like it. I'm an hour from lots of friends and 4-5 hours from my parents.

Like I said, it's hard to be revisionist about this stuff. If I had to go to Albany, I'd probably have made the most of it and convinced myself that it was for the best.

Again, there's no wrong answer. We can argue opinions all day long, ya know?
 
Thanks for the 13 year update. Was interesting to hear your take on this issue in hindsight.
Take care
 
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