Help me! Unecom vs UIW

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Hi!

I know this may be a no brainer for some of you but for some reason I feel as if im shooting myself in the foot with choosing UIW. Im honestly very nervous abt attending a new school with the new curriculum and all. Background: I am interested in Psychiatry/family med and hope to return to CA one day.

However, I am a CA resident and i would be able to see family more often and it would cost less. Also there is the lower cost of living as I would be living across the st from the school.

What kind of opportunities would I have at UNE that I wouldnt get at UIW?


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I would highly recommend UNE over UIW for a few reasons. Some of these may or may not apply to YOU.

-UNE has a great reputation as a DO school, vs UIW which as none. There is just too much risk, and you don't want to be the guinea pig class that UIW experiments with. This also means much more connections to decent rotations and what not.
-Considering San Antonio is super far away from CA still, traveling might cost more but it shouldn't be that much longer to travel. This is a 4 vs a 6 hr flight. It's not like driving from CA to UIW is any fun.
-UNE has an attached undergrad, which has its positives and negatives, but it means in general much more resources from the actual university.
-UIW is a Christian school that may, like Loma Linda, require you to do xy and z things to adhere to its Christian mission. This may or may not affect you.
-Even though cost of living and tuition is higher for UNE, it'll probably give you a higher guarantee of finishing med school and being a doctor because it's an established school that knows what its doing.
 
UNE hands down. UNECOM is established, they've got their clinical sites developed (which is a big deal, it takes years to get a clinical site working properly), they've got a decent reputation, they're not a religious school. Their board pass rates are better than the national average, so there's that versus an unknown.

And I'm saying this without bias- I've told people to pick things over UNE before. This is a clear cut case though.
 
Okay. Would established rotation cites really be that important to consider?? Wouldnt a larger urban city like SA be most ideal? Especially when thinking about exposure to a variety of diseases?


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Would you trust the surgeon who said "So I've never done this before, but I'm super smart and while it might not be that great, it'll probably be fine."? That's what you're doing with a new school.

I'm all about saving money, but no matter which way you go, you're writing a six figure check. Why would you pay literally hundreds of thousands of dollars to a school YOU KNOW doesn't know what they're doing?
 
Okay. Would established rotation cites really be that important to consider?? Wouldnt a larger urban city like SA be most ideal? Especially when thinking about exposure to a variety of diseases?


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Having established sites is extremely important. You want to know what you're learning 3rd and 4th year are from hospitals/docs who have taught before and know what to expect from their students. Even if San Antonio is a big city, most of the bigger hospitals' sites already probably belong to another medical school, thus UIW might not get those good spots. UIW probably has to create at least some new spots themselves.
 
Do NOT go to UIW. I have friends who did their SMP program who hated it and are now stuck going there bc they have no other options. I'm rooting for them to do well since they're the newest osteopathic school in Texas but as of now, they are very unorganized and do not have any research, advisors, sufficient faculty, etc.

UNECOM is widely reported as a great school.
 
UNE hands down. UNECOM is established, they've got their clinical sites developed (which is a big deal, it takes years to get a clinical site working properly), they've got a decent reputation, they're not a religious school. Their board pass rates are better than the national average, so there's that versus an unknown.

And I'm saying this without bias- I've told people to pick things over UNE before. This is a clear cut case though.

What schools do you think are better than UNE?
 
Okay. Would established rotation cites really be that important to consider?? Wouldnt a larger urban city like SA be most ideal? Especially when thinking about exposure to a variety of diseases?


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Established sites mean you don't have to worry about them imploding at am moment's notice, and more importantly, the preceptors write things (like evaluations) and train you in a way that residency directors like.

Weak clinical training that is more based upon preceptorships than wards-based training is the bane of the Osteopathic profession. That's why some program directors are very hesitant to rank and interview DOs. The cult of Still is not the issue anymore.
 
UIW is just barely a better decision than SGU. UNE is a wildly better decision than UIW.

Couple corrections to the above. UIW is a catholic school, not a christian one. There aren't any religious requirements apart from the general sticking one's head in the sand and ignoring facts in favor of fantasy. Pretending to be very invested in "the spiritual component of medicine", etc. Also, the cost of living will be much cheaper in Biddeford, unless you're going to live in a sketchy part of san antonio (which is where the med school is). So after you factor in getting robbed a few times, UNE comes out WAY ahead.
Your primary reason for UIW over all the good reasons to attend UNE is distance right? well a flight is a flight, its not like you can drive to mom's house to do a load of laundry, so its not a good reason to end up stuck doing FM in south texas for residency when you'd rather be in CA.

Other thing to consider.
Do you prefer the smell of the ocean, or the smell of burnt taco meat?
Do prefer a beautiful ocean-front campus, or two renovated buildings surrounded by acres of condemned, falling down buildings that will not be renovated before you graduate no matter what they told you at the interview.
Do you prefer a campus where you can feel safe anywhere at any time of day? Or the bad part of town where people getting shot doesn't even make the news.
Do you like fresh seafood, the first rays of morning sun that touch the united states, seasons, and wearing cozy jackets? Or anything deep fried, and the only season is "oh my god, why do humans even live here, if my car breaks down and I don't have a water source I will literally die".
 
You are consistently posting on threads with a similar message. You are obviously a disgruntled undergraduate student at UIW but either way figure out a better way to get your message across. No one will take you seriously given the way you are choosing to proclaim your message. I think you may have some valid points but you come off as a whining, immature child.

UIW is just barely a better decision than SGU. UNE is a wildly better decision than UIW.

Couple corrections to the above. UIW is a catholic school, not a christian one. There aren't any religious requirements apart from the general sticking one's head in the sand and ignoring facts in favor of fantasy. Pretending to be very invested in "the spiritual component of medicine", etc. Also, the cost of living will be much cheaper in Biddeford, unless you're going to live in a sketchy part of san antonio (which is where the med school is). So after you factor in getting robbed a few times, UNE comes out WAY ahead.
Your primary reason for UIW over all the good reasons to attend UNE is distance right? well a flight is a flight, its not like you can drive to mom's house to do a load of laundry, so its not a good reason to end up stuck doing FM in south texas for residency when you'd rather be in CA.

Other thing to consider.
Do you prefer the smell of the ocean, or the smell of burnt taco meat?
Do prefer a beautiful ocean-front campus, or two renovated buildings surrounded by acres of condemned, falling down buildings that will not be renovated before you graduate no matter what they told you at the interview.
Do you prefer a campus where you can feel safe anywhere at any time of day? Or the bad part of town where people getting shot doesn't even make the news.
Do you like fresh seafood, the first rays of morning sun that touch the united states, seasons, and wearing cozy jackets? Or anything deep fried, and the only season is "oh my god, why do humans even live here, if my car breaks down and I don't have a water source I will literally die".
 
UIW is just barely a better decision than SGU. UNE is a wildly better decision than UIW.

Couple corrections to the above. UIW is a catholic school, not a christian one. There aren't any religious requirements apart from the general sticking one's head in the sand and ignoring facts in favor of fantasy. Pretending to be very invested in "the spiritual component of medicine", etc. Also, the cost of living will be much cheaper in Biddeford, unless you're going to live in a sketchy part of san antonio (which is where the med school is). So after you factor in getting robbed a few times, UNE comes out WAY ahead.
Your primary reason for UIW over all the good reasons to attend UNE is distance right? well a flight is a flight, its not like you can drive to mom's house to do a load of laundry, so its not a good reason to end up stuck doing FM in south texas for residency when you'd rather be in CA.

Other thing to consider.
Do you prefer the smell of the ocean, or the smell of burnt taco meat?
Do prefer a beautiful ocean-front campus, or two renovated buildings surrounded by acres of condemned, falling down buildings that will not be renovated before you graduate no matter what they told you at the interview.
Do you prefer a campus where you can feel safe anywhere at any time of day? Or the bad part of town where people getting shot doesn't even make the news.
Do you like fresh seafood, the first rays of morning sun that touch the united states, seasons, and wearing cozy jackets? Or anything deep fried, and the only season is "oh my god, why do humans even live here, if my car breaks down and I don't have a water source I will literally die".

This post is garbage. Probably someone on UIW's waitlist trying to convince others to give up their spot, lmaooooo
 
This post is garbage. Probably someone on UIW's waitlist trying to convince others to give up their spot, lmaooooo
Oh, heavens no, I would never apply to UIW in the first place. And if you'd spent time at UNE and UIW, you wouldn't characterize my post as garbage. UNE vs UIW is like comparing a beautiful sunset to a worn shoe (or cowboy boot in this case).
 
"I would never apply to UIW in the first place"-EODguy, UIW C/O 2018 lmaoooooo

Oh, heavens no, I would never apply to UIW in the first place. And if you'd spent time at UNE and UIW, you wouldn't characterize my post as garbage. UNE vs UIW is like comparing a beautiful sunset to a worn shoe (or cowboy boot in this case).
 
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Oh, heavens no, I would never apply to UIW in the first place. And if you'd spent time at UNE and UIW, you wouldn't characterize my post as garbage. UNE vs UIW is like comparing a beautiful sunset to a worn shoe (or cowboy boot in this case).

I'd choose UIW. It has its flaws, like any new school will, but the location is one of the best! It's in a nice area actually (not affluent, but not dangerous by any means). If you want dangerous, go check out KCU. Next, everything you will need is within 1 mile of campus, rent is DIRT cheap as you can live in the Kennedy (directly across the street) with BRAND NEW construction 1br for $915!! This place is stacked with amenities too.

UNE has SNOW and LOTS of it. It's in a town city that's MUCH smaller in size to SA and nothing around it. SA has Austin 80 miles away which is one of the funniest college cities in America.

GME expansion is huge in Texas and residency slots are being dramatically raised by 2020. In addition to that, the state is paying for it and most, if not all, the programs will be biased towards students who have attended a Texas medical school. UNE on the other hand is the only med school in the state and the local residency programs prefer the MD students from Vermont and adjacent areas over their local students.

San Antonio is a super tight knit community where everyone takes care of each other, and I can easily see UTSA residencies being very nice to UIW students. UIW as an institution has been around in SA forever and even in Galveston they have a high school and the local MD school knows them too. It's a different playing field in Texas. I think it will give a student a HUGE leg up if they want an academic IM residency at one of the Texas state Medical school IM programs (except for UTSW and Baylor).

Also TCOM is there, so DO bias is already reduced significantly compared to other states where they have barely encountered DO's. And the area was so nice and the staff was THE FRIENDLIEST, WARM HEARTED group of people I have met. I felt at home 5 min into my interview there, and that's something rare to find anywhere you go. You felt that even if times will be tough, you have all the support and guidance you need as a team to get through. You won't be left to just "figure it out" without help.

The cons though, unfortunately, are that most of the staff are pretty new to this too. Therefore, guidance and resources may be limited just due to the nature of being a new school, and kinks will surely arise. But that comfort level, location (no snow, big city), friendliness, and comfortable studying environment with everything you need nearby, I would choose it over many other established schools in a heartbeat.

Sorry for the rant, but disclaimer it's also residency-dependent. I would choose more established schools like UNE to be more competitive for tough specialties like ortho surg, Derm, etc.
 
@MADD!!! Hi! Thanks for your input. How likely do you think one would be able to do away rotations/residency outside of Texas? I notice most students at uiw are current TX residents but I actually do not want to stay there in the future. Or does school not matter in terms of being able to branch out elsewhere?


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In addition to that, the state is paying for it and most, if not all, the programs will be biased towards students who have attended a Texas medical school.

Yes but UIW is not a state school. The truth is that no one knows how the state programs will look at a brand new private DO school's grads. I would never put up with the headache of a new school simply for a chance that UTSA will potentially be nice to UIW students for programs like FM. UNECOM wins this 10/10. It shouldn't even be a question.
 
@MADD!!!
$915 for a 1br apartment gets you a house with a yard in Biddeford! I'll give you two of your points: yes, snow exists, and yes there are mcdonalds and other "amenities" right outside brooks city base. However, all your other points suffer from the rose tinted glasses effect, don't you think? The rationale you extend to UIW's pro-list is ignored for UNE. I don't have time to write a dissertation on this, but one point worth rebutting is your characterization of SA as a tight knit community compared to UNE... Sweet six pound seven ounce baby jesus. SA is the 7th largest city in the US, whereas UNE is nestled among quintessential new england towns of a few thousand people each. If you think SA wins the close knit/have your back contest there, we should take a trip to Maine together. I'll teach you to ski, then you'll have a reason to love snow as well!

Anyway, if you like UIW and are optimistic about how it will affect your career, that's great. Enjoy. My posts have been directed toward the OP who (and this is super important) is not from texas! OP wants to, in this order, become a doctor, and get back to california asap. Everything about UIW, their mission, their "anticipated" affiliations, absolutely everything is geared toward primary care in south texas.

Therefore, if primary care in south texas isn't in one's 5-10-15 year plan, it is 100% not worth the new DO school risk. Example, what are UNE's board scores, graduation rate, residency placement rate? I don't know them offhand, but they aren't question marks.
 
$915 for a 1br apartment gets you a house with a yard in Biddeford

Yeah I have no idea why that is listed as a pro, although MADD is from CA I think which would explain it. $950 for a 1br sucks. I'll be paying a mortgage+utilities for a 3 bed 2 bath on a half acre lot for about that.
 
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