Help Picking a Dental School

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Which Dental School

  • NYU

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • Nova

    Votes: 32 82.1%

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Hey guys,
I hope everyone is having a great dental cycle!

I need help picking a dental school. I'm in between Nova Southeastern University and NYU. (I live by Nova so I would stay home if I were to go there) I've gotten scholarship from NYU (15K). I would save money if I were to goo to Nova and it would be a big help for me if I lived at home. I was wondering if it would be worth the money to go to NYU. I would like to get everyones opinion and explanation of why I should go to one of these dental school

Thanks so much, Joe
 
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Nova all the way.

Emotional support of family and the comfort of already knowing your way around the area are huuuuge benefits.
Winters are a thousand times better.

Best of all is the $$$$$$ you'll save. Seriously you shouldn't even be hesitating.
 
Only person who knows the answer is you. Money is important but so is life experiences and living in new places, if that's what you want. I'm sure both schools produce competent dentists.


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If you wanna specialize (for example oral maxillofacial surgery), does it matter what school you came from when you apply??? For example, will i have difficulties getting in a specialization program if i came from Nova compared to NYU?
 
If you want to specialize it really doesn't matter where you go although Ivy league names (Upenn, columbia) are more academic/research oriented and tend to produce more specialist. However, just about every school has the top third of their class getting into specialties. As long as you get high grades and stay toward the top of your class in either school you have a chance. Probably easier to do so in a smaller class than NYU.
Nova all the way---close to home, nice weather, tons of $$$ saved. Why are you even hesitating? The price tag of NYU is ridiculous. And specializing is usually another 100k+ of debt. If you're paying back 300k+ in debt youll be paying 2500 a month till your own kids go to college. So think about it. Too many predents don't even understand what the debt will mean for their future. It means 30,000+ off your salary each year. Then after taxes take 35% of your income your take home isn't anything to brag about. Be smart with your finances. I am 150k in debt and as a senior about to start paying my monthlies it weighs on me. Cost should honestly be the primary factor in determining where you go to dental school.
 
Why are you even hesitating? The price tag of NYU is ridiculous. And specializing is usually another 100k+ of debt. If you're paying back 300k+ in debt youll be paying 2500 a month till your own kids go to college. So think about it. Too many predents don't even understand what the debt will mean for their future. It means 30,000+ off your salary each year. Then after taxes take 35% of your income your take home isn't anything to brag about. Be smart with your finances. I am 150k in debt and as a senior about to start paying my monthlies it weighs on me. Cost should honestly be the primary factor in determining where you go to dental school.

THIS X 1000.
OP, I've quoted a post by realitydentalstudent for you below that really shows how bad the financial situation can get. Debt can destroy your life after dental school:

I just wanted to share these calculations with you to show you guys a realistic scenario if you decided to go to a PRIVATE SCHOOL.

Total debt: 400k
10 year Loan repayment plan: $4,603.21/month or $55,236/ year
http://www.finaid.org/calculators/scripts/loanpayments.cgi

1st year salary: $100,000
After federal and state income tax e.g in Florida: $71,804.25
http://www.adp.com/tools-and-resour...l-calculators/salary-paycheck-calculator.aspx

After loan repayment: $71,804- $55,236= $16, 568
Disability and malpractice insurance estimate: $500/month or $6000/year
True take home pay: $16, 568 - $6000= $10, 568

What job takes home $10, 568 after tax?
One that pays $13,000/year or $6.25/hr!

Did you go through 8 years of school to make $6.25/hr at age 26?



2nd year salary: $120,000
After federal and state income tax e.g in Florida: $84,860.25

After loan repayment: $84,860- $55,236= $29, 624
Disability and malpractice insurance estimate: $500/month or $6000/year
True take home pay: $29, 624 - $6000= $23, 624

What job takes home $23, 624 after tax?

One that pays $30, 000/year or $14.42/hr!

3rd year salary: $120, 000 so same situation





4th year salary and remaining years of debt repayment: $150,000
After federal and state income tax e.g in Florida: $106,025.25

After loan repayment: $106, 025.25- $55,236= $50, 789
Disability and malpractice insurance estimate: $500/month or $6000/year
True take home pay: $50, 789 - $6000= $44, 789

What job takes home $44, 789after tax?

One that pays $60, 000/year or $28.84/hr

Jobs that make around that salary range include

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/11/02/30-jobs-that-pay-30-an-hour/

Ok so a few things about the numbers is that

1. They are quite optimistic because
I used 6.8% interest when in actual fact the interest is increasing yearly.
I used the debt after 4years at 400k when it is probably between 450-550k after living costs for those applying this cycle.
This does assumes no undergrad debt.
Also this does not include health insurance for which the average american pays ~$4000/year and MORE if you are paying for an entire family.
Does not include the cost of CE courses required to advance your career e.g Implant courses are $10,000.
Also having kids within the 10 years or loosing your job would totally alter these projections.
And finally this represents a pretty good scenario in regards to the salary climb for a dentist. 150k/year is the average for an ASSOCIATE as stated by the ADA.

2. But this could be better if
You have a spouse that is willing to pay living costs during dental school or willing to help with living costs during loan repayment.
Are one of those lucky associates that are able to make 200k in their first year
Obviously if you go to a 15year loan repayment plan.

Finally you have to remember that there is rent/mortgage, car insurance, electric and water bills to pay. Looking back at the numbers I don't know if a 10year repayment plan is realistic for anybody earning under 130k in their first year. But anyway, if these numbers discourage you then I recommend sticking to in state. I mean ofcourse it is still possible to make a good living in dentistry even with the 400k debt load but these numbers are quite realistic for the average student/dentist. And last but not least, remember that even though things may suck for 10-15 years, after you have repaid your loans things will be good.


EDIT: Ok since everyone was talking about the 15 year plan and a higher starting salary lets see the scenario:


Total debt: 400k

15 year Loan repayment plan: $3,550.74/month or $42,600/ year

1st year salary: $120,000

After federal and state income tax e.g in Florida: $84,860.25

After loan repayment: $84,860- $42,600= $42, 260
Disability and malpractice insurance estimate: $500/month or $6000/year
True take home pay: $42, 260 - $6000= $36, 260

What job takes home $36, 260 after tax?

One that pays $47, 000/year or $22.59/hr!

2nd year salary: $130, 000
After federal and state income tax e.g in Florida: $91, 915.25

After loan repayment: $91, 915- $42,600= $49, 315
Disability and malpractice insurance estimate: $500/month or $6000/year
True take home pay: $49, 315 - $6000= $43, 315


What job takes home $43, 315 after tax?
One that pays $58, 769/year or $28.25/hr!


3rd year salary: $130, 000 so same situation


4th year salary and remaining years of debt repayment: $150,000
After federal and state income tax e.g in Florida: $106,025.25

After loan repayment: $106, 025.25- $42, 600= $63, 425
Disability and malpractice insurance estimate: $500/month or $6000/year
True take home pay: $63, 425 - $6000= $57, 425


What job takes home $57, 425after tax?
One that pays $78, 000/year or $37.50/hr


Jobs that make around that salary range include
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article/CB-1348-Job-Search-30-Jobs-That-Pay-80000/


Not too bad!

Like I said before, the 400k loan is doable if you land yourself in a good situation but are the above calculations (15 years of a job that really pays you starting from $47, 000 to eventually $78, 000 a year) really what you expected for a dentist? You have to keep in mind that the current cohort of students graduating from private schools is a running experiment, no one really knows if dentistry will be lucrative at these debt amounts for the average graduate.

Also remember: To reach your income potential of 200k/ year you would need to buy a practice, so with a practice loan you have to remember that it will set your income back quite a bit, towards a first year associate's salary usually.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/lets-buy-a-dental-practice.739665/page-4
 
Nova.
Do you have any idea what the cost of rent is in NYC? plus you get unlimited refrigerator access in your parents place. If they ever give you a hard time, just remind them that it will be your choice what kind of nursing home they will go to. 😀
 
I am choosing to attend Nova over BU. I am from the north east and went to undergrad here. I felt a great vibe at nova from Dr Lipman and everyone there was awesome. I have a HUGE network of friends in Boston but despite that I felt it was time to experience something new and go on an adventure.
 
Nova.
Do you have any idea what the cost of rent is in NYC? plus you get unlimited refrigerator access in your parents place. If they ever give you a hard time, just remind them that it will be your choice what kind of nursing home they will go to. 😀
hm
 
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Nova all the way.

Emotional support of family and the comfort of already knowing your way around the area are huuuuge benefits.
Winters are a thousand times better.

Best of all is the $$$$$$ you'll save. Seriously you shouldn't even be hesitating.
hm
 
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If you want to specialize it really doesn't matter where you go although Ivy league names (Upenn, columbia) are more academic/research oriented and tend to produce more specialist. However, just about every school has the top third of their class getting into specialties. As long as you get high grades and stay toward the top of your class in either school you have a chance. Probably easier to do so in a smaller class than NYU.
Nova all the way---close to home, nice weather, tons of $$$ saved. Why are you even hesitating? The price tag of NYU is ridiculous. And specializing is usually another 100k+ of debt. If you're paying back 300k+ in debt youll be paying 2500 a month till your own kids go to college. So think about it. Too many predents don't even understand what the debt will mean for their future. It means 30,000+ off your salary each year. Then after taxes take 35% of your income your take home isn't anything to brag about. Be smart with your finances. I am 150k in debt and as a senior about to start paying my monthlies it weighs on me. Cost should honestly be the primary factor in determining where you go to dental school.

hm
 
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If you want to specialize it really doesn't matter where you go although Ivy league names (Upenn, columbia) are more academic/research oriented and tend to produce more specialist. However, just about every school has the top third of their class getting into specialties. As long as you get high grades and stay toward the top of your class in either school you have a chance. Probably easier to do so in a smaller class than NYU.
Nova all the way---close to home, nice weather, tons of $$$ saved. Why are you even hesitating? The price tag of NYU is ridiculous. And specializing is usually another 100k+ of debt. If you're paying back 300k+ in debt youll be paying 2500 a month till your own kids go to college. So think about it. Too many predents don't even understand what the debt will mean for their future. It means 30,000+ off your salary each year. Then after taxes take 35% of your income your take home isn't anything to brag about. Be smart with your finances. I am 150k in debt and as a senior about to start paying my monthlies it weighs on me. Cost should honestly be the primary factor in determining where you go to dental school.
hm
 
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Nova all the way.

Emotional support of family and the comfort of already knowing your way around the area are huuuuge benefits.
Winters are a thousand times better.

Best of all is the $$$$$$ you'll save. Seriously you shouldn't even be hesitating.
hm
 
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Don't worry about where you lived. If you've lived here your whole life, what's 4 more years? Save the $80K or invest it. Dude if you can invest $80K into your retirement right now, then by the time you are 60 you will likely never have to work again.
After dental school, live wherever you want!
 
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