HELP!!!!! SO confused/worried. please!

[postbacc25]

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Hey everyone
so i normaly come on sdn and read threads/posts and after seeing one of the posts below about cheating, im getting a little worried..& would like anyones opinion whose willing to share

first of all im 25 and ive been post-baccing/working for 2 years. i graduated in 2008.
anyway, the point of this thread is that, i was reminded after reading that previous thread , that while i was in undergrad (i truly forget what year, im assuming my freshman or sophmore year, i really do not remember AT ALL) i was taking a test (i really dont even remember for what class this test was in.........) & i went to the bathroom during the test....well our proctor (not the professor for the class) made us put our stuff out in the hallway, like we werent allowed to bring out stuff into the classroom. so i went to go do my thing....and then after the exam the proctor i guess had told my professor that she suspected me of cheating bc i took "a long time" in the bathroom and that my stuff was outside the classroom/bathroom (they are literally right next to each other). um wtf u told me to leave my stuff in the hallway, ????
anyway, so my professor called me into his office and asked me what happened and i told him straight up i didnt cheat, bc i Didnt and i guess bc there was too much speculation or w/e, the prof ended up saying that he had to fail me for that test bc he had no other choice. so he failed me on that test, and i ended up with a B- in the course.
Now this is where i get SO confused/complicated. i know it was a science class that this happened in, bc the professor of the course was also my advisor as a pre health student. Not only that, but this professor wrote me a LOR for my app this summer, and he really likes me & is always really nice.....and he told me he wrote absolutely nothing negative about me in my LOR and only said great positive things as i was one of his favorite students ...
to me it feels like this happened SO long ago bc im effing 25 now and i really have no recollection of the details, but i'm wondering if this was even reported anywhere in my UG?? the professor seems to have forgotten about it too, as I DID.
i checked my transcript like 1000x over jsut now and theres nothing on there that indiciates this.
when i was filling out my aadsas, i literally forgot about this incidence and so i obviously checked no in the academic integrity section or w/e.

i am SO confused as to what to do. Also, i just (in paranoia) checked my undergrads academic integrity section of the handbook, and it says that all alleged infarctions are to be decided/discussed bt student and professor and come to a consensus. however, if its been determined theres been a violation committed, it should be reported to the academic dean where it will be kept in confidentiality records where only student and dean are aware of it. then it proceeds to say, these documents will be destroyed 3 years after the student graduates. I graduated 3 years ago.....

i have no idea if there was anything EVER even submitted to the dean, if this was ever documented anywhere, if i even have a file. I KNOW NOTHING. no one ever told me/the professor never told me, all he said was that he'd fail me for that one specific test. wtf do i DO ?!!??! as u can see im a mess. i honestly didnt cheat, and this is why i need to stay off sdn bc it makes me so paranoid!! AHHHHH
ALSO i have no idea if when i get an acceptance to dschool, will the dschool hit up my academic DEAN to look up my file? im So beyond confused. and the worst part is, i have no idea if i even HAVE a file with the dean. killme.

someone/anybody please HELP/advice?! thank you so much!!

 

[amalgamgrillz]

You are supposed to report that, since he found you guilty of whatever accusation. Call your schools and ask them if it's necessary for you to report. It would be terribly bad if you're asked about it in the interview and you didn't disclose this info on your AADSAS..

You're innocent, anyway, so it's not like you have anything to hide or be ashamed of.

 

[postbacc25]

You are supposed to report that, since he found you guilty of whatever accusation. Call your schools and ask them if it's necessary for you to report. It would be terribly bad if you're asked about it in the interview and you didn't disclose this info on your AADSAS..

You're innocent, anyway, so it's not like you have anything to hide or be ashamed of.

ok, intresting. so you think i should report it to schools even though it happened when i was probably like 19? / so long ago?! UGH im so confuseddddddddd. i wouldve inquired about this earlier during the app cycle/while filling aaadsas, had i even remembered.
do you think i should just straight ask my academic dean if i can see my file?? i mean im allowed to apparently as its bt me and the dean , i dont even know the dean now though since they got a new one. the only reason i was hesitant to actually ask the dean is bc if there IS something on file (which i really am not sure there is, & if so, since the school says its confidential, how would a dental school get to see this?) i dont my UG to then realize & like slap it on my transcript or something.
or should i ask my professor whose class it happened in , if he ever even reported me? i mean it was my advisor from undergrad, i was pretty cool w/ him. i dont want to bring something up frmo the past that im not even guilty of and have ppl think i AM, and me have to explain it all over again when i honest to God dont even rmbr the details from like......about 6 yrs ago at this point.
also how would they ask me in an interview? .........like how would they have gotten that information and even I dont have it?! and its MY application? im so confused.

anyone else have input??

 

[amalgamgrillz]

ok, intresting. so you think i should report it to schools even though it happened when i was probably like 19? / so long ago?! UGH im so confuseddddddddd. i wouldve inquired about this earlier during the app cycle/while filling aaadsas, had i even remembered.
do you think i should just straight ask my academic dean if i can see my file?? i mean im allowed to apparently as its bt me and the dean , i dont even know the dean now though since they got a new one. the only reason i was hesitant to actually ask the dean is bc if there IS something on file (which i really am not sure there is, & if so, since the school says its confidential, how would a dental school get to see this?) i dont my UG to then realize & like slap it on my transcript or something.
or should i ask my professor whose class it happened in , if he ever even reported me? i mean it was my advisor from undergrad, i was pretty cool w/ him. i dont want to bring something up frmo the past that im not even guilty of and have ppl think i AM, and me have to explain it all over again when i honest to God dont even rmbr the details from like......about 6 yrs ago at this point.
also how would they ask me in an interview? .........like how would they have gotten that information and even I dont have it?! and its MY application? im so confused.

anyone else have input??

1. It happened during your undergraduate career, so that's not exactly "long ago," when we're talking about academics.

2. The issue is not whether or not they can see it on your file or not, it's more about you upholding your moral standards and disclosing this information. Like even if you are convicted of a crime, but never charged...they still want to know you were convicted (despite it not being on your criminal record). They want to know what you've been accused of...but you claim you're innocent, so it should be fine to let them know.

 

[postbacc25]

1. It happened during your undergraduate career, so that's not exactly "long ago," when we're talking about academics.

2. The issue is not whether or not they can see it on your file or not, it's more about you upholding your moral standards and disclosing this information. Like even if you are convicted of a crime, but never charged...they still want to know you were convicted (despite it not being on your criminal record). They want to know what you've been accused of...but you claim you're innocent, so it should be fine to let them know.

ok, so you think i should email the schools about this? or call 😕

 

[KillaGorilla]

I would keep your mouth shut. I would have made a bigger deal about it back then, if the teacher had proof there would have been big consequences. The fact that the teacher just failed you on the test means he had nothing . It seems unlikely that teacher would keep a file on your transcript saying that you might have cheated on a test and not pursue further any disciplinary actions .

 

[amalgamgrillz]

I would keep your mouth shut. I would have made a bigger deal about it back then, if the teacher had proof there would have been big consequences. The fact that the teacher just failed you on the test means he had nothing . It seems unlikely that teacher would keep a file on your transcript saying that you might have cheated on a test and not pursue further any disciplinary actions .

If his professor DIDN'T have proof, he WOULDN'T have failed him. That would be class action lawsuit right there for failing a student without reason. If the OP was innocent, he should take it to the ombudsperson.

 

[KillaGorilla]

If the teacher DID have proof op would have failed the class and faced major academic consequences. Like I said before op should have made a big deal that he/she did not cheat at the time and possibly gotten a retest or something similar. This teacher seemed either new or incompetent based on the fact he had students leave their materials outside of the class and then allowed them to leave during the test. The teacher then tried be a tough guy for the proctor failing op on the test figuring someone guilty would not protest. If you would have made a big deal then I think is likely that the teacher would have insta folded b/c he had no proof.

Edit: This seems like the most likely situation in my eyes. I'm basing this on my experience as both a student and teacher (as a grad student) a school with major cheating issues. Do not take my word as law.

 

[postbacc25]

If the teacher DID have proof op would have failed the class and faced major academic consequences. Like I said before op should have made a big deal that he/she did not cheat at the time and possibly gotten a retest or something similar. This teacher seemed either new or incompetent based on the fact he had students leave their materials outside of the class and then allowed them to leave during the test. The teacher then tried be a tough guy for the proctor failing op on the test figuring some guilty would not protest. If you would have made a big deal then the teacher would have insta folded b/c he had no proof.

ugh i know in hindsight i realize i shouldve refuted it, i was just so scared that i was even being accused of something like that and i was a stupid idiotic frosh or w/e, that i just wanted it to be overrr so the fact that he didnt fail me for the course i just sort of let it go bc he said he knew i wasnt like that and that i was a good student however since he was being told these things by the proctor, he had to do something, so he failed me for the test.
i think im going to find out through the school if i have a file regarding any of this bc its driving me nuts since i didnt do anything to deserve to have a record if i do. ugh.

also, had this been a huge deal or w/e, why would the same exact prof (which i had for other years/classes in college) agree to write me a recc and tell me they wrote absotluey nothing negative about me, and if they didnt have only good things to say about me, they would have not agreed to do the letter. i feel like had he actually thought i cheated and remembered/documented it , he wouldve told me No i cant write your letter, OR well ...u know ill have to mention that incident from ur freshman year in ur letter......or something along those lines

 

[KillaGorilla]

ugh i know in hindsight i realize i shouldve refuted it, i was just so scared that i was even being accused of something like that and i was a stupid idiotic frosh or w/e, that i just wanted it to be overrr so the fact that he didnt fail me for the course i just sort of let it go bc he said he knew i wasnt like that and that i was a good student however since he was being told these things by the proctor, he had to do something, so he failed me for the test.
i think im going to find out through the school if i have a file regarding any of this bc its driving me nuts since i didnt do anything to deserve to have a record if i do. ugh.

also, had this been a huge deal or w/e, why would the same exact prof (which i had for other years/classes in college) agree to write me a recc and tell me they wrote absotluey nothing negative about me, and if they didnt have only good things to say about me, they would have not agreed to do the letter. i feel like had he actually thought i cheated and remembered/documented it , he wouldve told me No i cant write your letter, OR well ...u know ill have to mention that incident from ur freshman year in ur letter......or something along those lines

I think it is terrible what happened to you, unfortunately this is somewhat common. making things worse student who do cheat would get in the teachers face because they know by experience he didn't have proof. The fact the he wrote you a letter and didn't mention it makes me think he feels bad about what happened. I doubt he ever reported any of this.

 

[jinhomc]

Um, now I am a little confused. Why the focus now seems to be on the incompetence of the prof.? Shouldn't the op be responsible for what he has done?(not that I am saying he cheated, but he agreed to receive a punishment based on a false conviction as the op claimed. In short, he admitted guilty.)
It is very difficult to convince the others that one is innocent after he's been locked up in a jail. The op can either inform the dental schools about his cheating and try to make them believe what he said in this thread; or, he can talk to his prof. and dean, and try his best to ensure all traces of record are covered ( which would look as bad, if not worse, when he got busted)
The mistake has already been made(twice, in my opinion, considering the fact that he didn't disclose it in his application)
Op, as you may already know, writing a letter to the DS to explain the issue( you have to explain your "cheating" and why didn't you disclose it in the first place) is the right thing to do now. Though hard, if you put it nicely in your letter, you may be able to turn it around. More importantly, get a letter from your prof. who failed you to explain what actually happened.
Don't trade off your integrity for a seemingly better chance of getting acceptance. Fix a problem the right way.
Good luck!

 

[pickmedental]

You guys raise my blood pressure!
I suggest the OP relax.
The right thing to do is to report it to the schools. The smart thing to do is to shut up. I doubt it is to be found anywhere if its not on ur transcript.

 

[jinhomc]

You guys raise my blood pressure!
I suggest the OP relax.
The right thing to do is to report it to the schools. The smart thing to do is to shut up. I doubt it is to be found anywhere if its not on ur transcript.

exactly

 

[molar3]

uhhhhhhh so this is gonna sound so terrible haha but my ex when he was in undergrad was accused or arrested or w/e of beating some guy up badddd, and he ended up getting an attorney or something/going to court for it, and all his charges were dropped, so he didnt end up with an actual record. hes a 4th year med student now......just saying.
i dont think he ever reported it im not sure though, knowing him uhhh i highly doubt he had told schools about it. in his background check, im sure he comes up clear.
im not sure what im meaning to say here, but take it as u wish

 

[JustwantDDS]

i would honestly keep my mouth shut about it too. it seems to have been just a bad decision and ur prof even wrote u an LOR.
why in the world would u go and call and give them this huge long story- they wont buy it even if its true & itll be a red flag on ur app.

if its not on ur academic record and they didnt fail u in the course or w/e ur fine

 

[postbacc25]

i would honestly keep my mouth shut about it too. it seems to have been just a bad decision and ur prof even wrote u an LOR.
why in the world would u go and call and give them this huge long story- they wont buy it even if its true & itll be a red flag on ur app.

if its not on ur academic record and they didnt fail u in the course or w/e ur fine

what do you/everybody mean when they say "academic record"? what record? is that just an official transcript? what other "Records" are there that DS's check/ask for ?
and yea i didnt fail the course thankfully.

 

[Bereno]

This issue sounds like it was between you and the professor. Thats it. Yes you were punished for academic integrity purposes and should have reported it. However, you didn't so your best bet is to keep your mouth shut. If it was in your "academic record" you would not have been invited for an interview...

If the professor wrote you the letter of rec, you are solid man. Chill out and enjoy a beer! 👍

 

[euphaire]

what do you/everybody mean when they say "academic record"? what record? is that just an official transcript? what other "Records" are there that DS's check/ask for ?
and yea i didnt fail the course thankfully.

I am interested to know this as well. I find it hard to imagine that every DS would call every applicant's dean directly and ask about academic history that's not shown on transcript. Wait, are such things usually shown on your transcript? I have no idea.

 

[MrAvicii]

dont worry. everything will work out for the best.

 

[sacapuntas]

dont worry. everything will work out for the best.

Lol are you on a quest to up your post count for any particular reason? You are all over these boards!

 

[amalgamgrillz]

Lol are you on a quest to up your post count for any particular reason? You are all over these boards!

Double account holders usually do this to make their second account look credible.

 

[MrAvicii]

Lol are you on a quest to up your post count for any particular reason? You are all over these boards!

hey man i just want to help people. i read these forums for the last 3 years and they helped me so much in my life. i just want to contribute back.