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Hello everyone,
Ive spend the last 2 weekends looking at GPR programs in NJ and NY; its time for me to finalize my list and start working on my PASS app. I basically started by making a large Microsoft Word document with all the programs in NJ and NY (62 programs total). I then started eliminating programs based on multiple factors: location, evaluation of the program by SDN members, and by reading the program descriptions on their websites. After looking at these factors, I dropped the number of programs from 62 to 14. My goal is to apply to no more than approximately 8 programs. However, the key is to apply to the right programs that suit me. When I applied to dental school exactly 4 years ago, I did this same exact process. I selected the programs I applied by process of elimination; and then, when I couldnt eliminate any more programs, I went to SDN for assistance. Here I am now, 4 years later, asking for the same request: help me select the right programs for me. So Ive tried to learn as much as I can about the programs below, but not a lot of recent info is available. So, if you know or heard absolutely anything about the programs below, please comment and let me know. Also, please give me all the advice you can; any information is good information. Thanks in advance!
A little bit about me:
- Who am I: 4th year dental student
- What I want to be: well rounded general dentist in private practice, and attend at a school or hospital 1 or 2 days a week
- Where I plan on living during residency: East New Jersey (Passaic County area)
- Cumulative GPA: 3.40
- Rank: Average (middle of my class)
- NBDE part 1: Not great (low 80s)
- Why am I interested in only NJ and NY: 1) My family is in NJ/NY; Im a big family person, so I want to stay close. 2) I like the area, but to be honest, I like NJ more than NY because I hate traffic. 3) NJ/NY have a huge number of GPR programs, so my chances of getting in might be a little more higher than at other locations in the country
- Areas of dentistry that I dont enjoy too much: Oral Surgery (I enjoy extractions, I just dont enjoy wisdom teeth surgical extractions)
- Areas of dentistry that I dont know if I like or not yet (due to little clinic exposure): Ortho
- Areas of dentistry that I love: Implants, Crown and bridge, Endo, Surgical Perio (CL, GTR/GBR, etc)
- My dream GPR program: one that is well rounded in all areas of dentistry (a little bit of everything). I do not want to go to a program that is strictly Oral Surgery based.
FYI: the only AEGD program Im interested in is Lutheran NY. If you know anything about that program, please let me know.
12-month AEGD program in NY
1) Lutheran Medical Center - Metropolitan, NY
- ?? positions available
- They have a lot of positions available
- 60 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- You end up getting assigned to different sites in NYC (you can rank your preferences); your experience will depend on where you end up getting assigned.
12-month GPR programs in NJ
1) St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center
- 4-6 positions available
- 10 minute drive
- My NYU friend: Surgical based, at interview a resident said they do 80 RCTs, which is awesome
- They had 3 post-match positions available in 2012
2) Morristown Memorial Hospital
- 4 positions available
- 30 minute drive (right off of interstate highway)
- My NYU friends classmate goes there, and he said its a good program
- Youre on call every 4th week
3) Overlook Hospital
- ?? positions available
- 40 minute drive (its slightly past Newark Airport)
- Morristown and Overlook are both owned by the same parent company
4) Jersey City Medical Center
- 4 positions available
- 40 minute drive (right by Newark airport)
5) Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
- ?? positions available
- 30 minute drive (its right next to Newark Airport)
- My NYU friends co-resident went to the interview, and she didnt like it because the residents that were there said there isnt enough work for all the residents.
- Website: There are no specialty training programs at the Beth, so our GPRs do ALL of the Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery and ALL of the Operating Room General Dentistry treatment procedures.
- Its part of the Barnabas Health System, which also owns St. Barnabas in Bronx
12-month GPR programs in NY
1) The Mount Sinai Hospital
- 9 positions available
- 30 minute drive (traffic in Manhattan is variable)
- My NYU friend talked to a resident, she said its decent. NYU students who did OS rotation there said it was very busy
- SDN: Its a good program
2) Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine
- 36 positions available
- 30-45 minute drive (traffic through Bronx is variable)
- Multiple sites; your clinical experience will depend on which site you get assigned
- Around 20 students from NYU go there every year
- Youre on-call every 12th night (5 nights per month)
- They had 29 post-match openings
3) St. Barnabas Hospital
- 20 positions available
- 30-60 minute drive (traffic through Bronx is variable)
- My NYU friends colleague say its a good program
- Their website states some really nice stuff about the program
- They had 5 post-match openings
4) Bronx Lebanon Hospital Center
- 27 positions available
- 30 minute drive
- 5 different sites other than the hospital. Experience based on luck of site you get assigned to
- You dont place any implants.
- Youre on call for 6 months and the other 6 months youre not.
- Program is funded by HIV grant; you have to see a lot of HIV patients. It is a very busy program, a lot of dentistry. The clinics are not that organized (but hey, most arent)
- They had 13 post-match openings
5) Jacobi Medical Center
- 8 positions available
- 45-60 minute drive (traffic in Bronx is variable)
- My NYU friend said the NYU students rotating there did absolutely nothing because theres not enough work to support all the NYU students in addition to the residents. He doesnt know how it is for the GPR residents
- SDN: a guy said you do a lot of work for the OS residents
- Website: Youre on-call every 7th night
6) Lutheran Medical Center - LICH Campus
- 12 positions available
- 45-90 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- SDN: Heavy on OS
- My NYU friend had a classmate who went there; she said she liked 1st year, and decided to do a 2nd year for implant placement because you dont get to place any your first year
- They had 2 post-match openings
- SDN: Lutheran (I dont know if they meant LICH or LMC) is big on OS!
7) Lutheran Medical Center - LMC Campus
- 10 positions available
- 45-90 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- They had 2 post-match positions available
- SDN: Lutheran (I dont know if they meant LICH or LMC) is big on OS!
8) Woodhull Medical and Mental Health Center
- 15 positions available
- 45-60 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- My NYU friend said area is bad, but its a busy program. One of his friends is there, and he is happy for with the program.
- SDN: Terrible facilities, very low patient pool, inadequate attendings, not much clinical experience (2002 post)
- Website: Residents are on-call 3-5 nights per month
- They had 8 post-match openings
9) Kings County Hospital Center
- 9 positions available
- 60-100 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- Website: GP residents place 75-100 fixtures; 75/9 residents = 8 implants per resident!!!
Ive spend the last 2 weekends looking at GPR programs in NJ and NY; its time for me to finalize my list and start working on my PASS app. I basically started by making a large Microsoft Word document with all the programs in NJ and NY (62 programs total). I then started eliminating programs based on multiple factors: location, evaluation of the program by SDN members, and by reading the program descriptions on their websites. After looking at these factors, I dropped the number of programs from 62 to 14. My goal is to apply to no more than approximately 8 programs. However, the key is to apply to the right programs that suit me. When I applied to dental school exactly 4 years ago, I did this same exact process. I selected the programs I applied by process of elimination; and then, when I couldnt eliminate any more programs, I went to SDN for assistance. Here I am now, 4 years later, asking for the same request: help me select the right programs for me. So Ive tried to learn as much as I can about the programs below, but not a lot of recent info is available. So, if you know or heard absolutely anything about the programs below, please comment and let me know. Also, please give me all the advice you can; any information is good information. Thanks in advance!
A little bit about me:
- Who am I: 4th year dental student
- What I want to be: well rounded general dentist in private practice, and attend at a school or hospital 1 or 2 days a week
- Where I plan on living during residency: East New Jersey (Passaic County area)
- Cumulative GPA: 3.40
- Rank: Average (middle of my class)
- NBDE part 1: Not great (low 80s)
- Why am I interested in only NJ and NY: 1) My family is in NJ/NY; Im a big family person, so I want to stay close. 2) I like the area, but to be honest, I like NJ more than NY because I hate traffic. 3) NJ/NY have a huge number of GPR programs, so my chances of getting in might be a little more higher than at other locations in the country
- Areas of dentistry that I dont enjoy too much: Oral Surgery (I enjoy extractions, I just dont enjoy wisdom teeth surgical extractions)
- Areas of dentistry that I dont know if I like or not yet (due to little clinic exposure): Ortho
- Areas of dentistry that I love: Implants, Crown and bridge, Endo, Surgical Perio (CL, GTR/GBR, etc)
- My dream GPR program: one that is well rounded in all areas of dentistry (a little bit of everything). I do not want to go to a program that is strictly Oral Surgery based.
FYI: the only AEGD program Im interested in is Lutheran NY. If you know anything about that program, please let me know.
12-month AEGD program in NY
1) Lutheran Medical Center - Metropolitan, NY
- ?? positions available
- They have a lot of positions available
- 60 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- You end up getting assigned to different sites in NYC (you can rank your preferences); your experience will depend on where you end up getting assigned.
12-month GPR programs in NJ
1) St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center
- 4-6 positions available
- 10 minute drive
- My NYU friend: Surgical based, at interview a resident said they do 80 RCTs, which is awesome
- They had 3 post-match positions available in 2012
2) Morristown Memorial Hospital
- 4 positions available
- 30 minute drive (right off of interstate highway)
- My NYU friends classmate goes there, and he said its a good program
- Youre on call every 4th week
3) Overlook Hospital
- ?? positions available
- 40 minute drive (its slightly past Newark Airport)
- Morristown and Overlook are both owned by the same parent company
4) Jersey City Medical Center
- 4 positions available
- 40 minute drive (right by Newark airport)
5) Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
- ?? positions available
- 30 minute drive (its right next to Newark Airport)
- My NYU friends co-resident went to the interview, and she didnt like it because the residents that were there said there isnt enough work for all the residents.
- Website: There are no specialty training programs at the Beth, so our GPRs do ALL of the Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery and ALL of the Operating Room General Dentistry treatment procedures.
- Its part of the Barnabas Health System, which also owns St. Barnabas in Bronx
12-month GPR programs in NY
1) The Mount Sinai Hospital
- 9 positions available
- 30 minute drive (traffic in Manhattan is variable)
- My NYU friend talked to a resident, she said its decent. NYU students who did OS rotation there said it was very busy
- SDN: Its a good program
2) Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine
- 36 positions available
- 30-45 minute drive (traffic through Bronx is variable)
- Multiple sites; your clinical experience will depend on which site you get assigned
- Around 20 students from NYU go there every year
- Youre on-call every 12th night (5 nights per month)
- They had 29 post-match openings
3) St. Barnabas Hospital
- 20 positions available
- 30-60 minute drive (traffic through Bronx is variable)
- My NYU friends colleague say its a good program
- Their website states some really nice stuff about the program
- They had 5 post-match openings
4) Bronx Lebanon Hospital Center
- 27 positions available
- 30 minute drive
- 5 different sites other than the hospital. Experience based on luck of site you get assigned to
- You dont place any implants.
- Youre on call for 6 months and the other 6 months youre not.
- Program is funded by HIV grant; you have to see a lot of HIV patients. It is a very busy program, a lot of dentistry. The clinics are not that organized (but hey, most arent)
- They had 13 post-match openings
5) Jacobi Medical Center
- 8 positions available
- 45-60 minute drive (traffic in Bronx is variable)
- My NYU friend said the NYU students rotating there did absolutely nothing because theres not enough work to support all the NYU students in addition to the residents. He doesnt know how it is for the GPR residents
- SDN: a guy said you do a lot of work for the OS residents
- Website: Youre on-call every 7th night
6) Lutheran Medical Center - LICH Campus
- 12 positions available
- 45-90 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- SDN: Heavy on OS
- My NYU friend had a classmate who went there; she said she liked 1st year, and decided to do a 2nd year for implant placement because you dont get to place any your first year
- They had 2 post-match openings
- SDN: Lutheran (I dont know if they meant LICH or LMC) is big on OS!
7) Lutheran Medical Center - LMC Campus
- 10 positions available
- 45-90 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- They had 2 post-match positions available
- SDN: Lutheran (I dont know if they meant LICH or LMC) is big on OS!
8) Woodhull Medical and Mental Health Center
- 15 positions available
- 45-60 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- My NYU friend said area is bad, but its a busy program. One of his friends is there, and he is happy for with the program.
- SDN: Terrible facilities, very low patient pool, inadequate attendings, not much clinical experience (2002 post)
- Website: Residents are on-call 3-5 nights per month
- They had 8 post-match openings
9) Kings County Hospital Center
- 9 positions available
- 60-100 minute drive (traffic in Brooklyn is variable)
- Website: GP residents place 75-100 fixtures; 75/9 residents = 8 implants per resident!!!