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    Hi. I am a first-year medical student at University of Miami, and I recently learned about PM&R as a specialty. I just met a physiatrist at a lecture last week on complementary medicine and before then I did not even know that this field of medicine existed. I wish I had known about PM&R sooner because it sounds like such an interesting field.

    I would greatly appreciate any advice that you can give me about pursuing physiatry.

    Here are a few questions I have to begin with:
    1) Is there a difference b/w PM&R and physiatry?
    2) Do you apply to a PM&R residency directly or do you first have to do a year of internal medicine or some other general kind of residency?
    3) Can you do an externship in PM&R at more than one school during third and fourth year?
    4) What other clerkships during 3rd and 4th year are helpful to better prepare you for a future in PM&R?
    5) What is the average board score to get a residency spot in PM&R?
    Any other advice that you may have would be great, and very appreciated, as well!

    Thank you,
    Kim
     

    SG1

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      Glad you found us!

      1) Is there a difference b/w PM&R and physiatry?

      Same thing. We just like to confuse people & ourselves with 2 names.


      2) Do you apply to a PM&R residency directly or do you first have to do a year of internal medicine or some other general kind of residency?


      Here are the options:
      4 year program--you apply to 1 program & do all 4 years in the same place
      3 year program--you apply to the PM&R program & to separate intern year programs
      Other--some programs have a set # of 1st year spots, so some people can go there for intern year but others do their intern year elsewhere.

      I think most of us probably ended up applying to both PM&R & intern year programs. The match computer system is smart enough to figure out how to do all of this.


      3) Can you do an externship in PM&R at more than one school during third and fourth year?


      It depends on your school's policy, but many students rotate at more than 1 place.


      4) What other clerkships during 3rd and 4th year are helpful to better prepare you for a future in PM&R?


      We do a little bit of everything, so it's unlikely that any rotation you do won't help you in PM&R. Neuro, Ortho, Rheum, Sports Med & Urology are all helpful.

      5) What is the average board score to get a residency spot in PM&R?
      I don't know the answer to this one.

      Hope this helps a bit.
       

      MSKalltheway

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        Hi. I am a first-year medical student at University of Miami, and I recently learned about PM&R as a specialty. I just met a physiatrist at a lecture last week on complementary medicine and before then I did not even know that this field of medicine existed. I wish I had known about PM&R sooner because it sounds like such an interesting field.

        I would greatly appreciate any advice that you can give me about pursuing physiatry.

        umq,

        I've been here tryin' to work my magic here getting my classmates interested in PM&R, or at least informed. I just had a meeting yesterday where a couple of our 4th years who matched came to talk to students, so hopefully I can be of assistance to you! Residents and attendings who post here will have a better perspective than I, but I'm procrastinating so I figured I'd answer :)

        1) Is there a difference b/w PM&R and physiatry?
        No, they are one in the same. A Physiatrist practices PM&R

        2) Do you apply to a PM&R residency directly or do you first have to do a year of internal medicine or some other general kind of residency?
        This can sound complicated when you get into the details, but for the most part yes, you do a year of internal medicine first, then 3 years of PM&R residency.

        3) Can you do an externship in PM&R at more than one school during third and fourth year?
        Depends on how many away rotations your school allows you. This shouldn't be a problem generally. I personally plan on doing 2-3, one at my home institution, one at a top tier program, and maybe one at Hopkins (its across town so why not?)

        4) What other clerkships during 3rd and 4th year are helpful to better prepare you for a future in PM&R?
        There are many, but popular ones I heard of were Neurology, Orthopedic Surgery, and Neurosurgery. Urology, EM, FM and Rheumatology were others people have suggested to me.

        5) What is the average board score to get a residency spot in PM&R?
        I guess the easiest way to go about this is to quote the charting outcomes. The 2007 mean was 209 and the 25:75 percentile range was 195-222 for US Seniors. As discussed in other threads, top programs will likely get more applicants with scores in the higher ranges, whether it be program selection or self-selection. PM&R focuses less on strictly Step 1 score and looks more at the complete package. However, still do as well as you possibly can! A great score only helps.

        Showing early interest in PM&R as a med student is a bonus too. RIC has a summer externship program, and Cincy used to have one although I dont think its been active for a few years. If your school has a department, see if you cant shadow/research this summer. Had I stayed here at school last summer, I would have done my own "make your own externship" at the Rehab facility affiliated with school (you can count the # of physiatrist faculty here on one hand, but those here are flexible and awesome...most attendings in the field are). If you dont have a PM&R interest group at school, start one. If you already have one, be really involved in it. Make sure to have a positive attitude and be great with your patients. As one of our classes matches said, "They look for a certain personality because you'll have to tell someone they'll never walk again, so they want people who can be great at communicating with patients."

        I hope the answers and advice I gave you sound reasonable, its mostly just echoing sentiments from other people and statements from this very forum. PM me if you have any specific questions of me, I hope that helps you out! :luck:
         
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