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For All the graduating seniors and current attending,

What is the highest community salary you have heard quoted and in which locale. No need to give specifics just compensation (annual or hourly), and city. I thought it would be an interesting exercise.

SK
 
For All the graduating seniors and current attending,

What is the highest community salary you have heard quoted and in which locale. No need to give specifics just compensation (annual or hourly), and city. I thought it would be an interesting exercise.

SK



$200 in Sacramento.
 
What is the highest community salary you have heard quoted and in which locale. No need to give specifics just compensation (annual or hourly), and city. I thought it would be an interesting exercise.

Sadly, there just is no apples to apples comparison possible.

IP jobs pay higher hourly but include few, if any, benes.
Salaried gigs pay lower hourly but include many valuable benes.

As always, your mileage will vary.

Take care,
Jeff
 
Fair point. I just thought it would be interesting to hear some actual numbers. We always hear about Texas being the holy grail of compensation but I've never looked out there so it would be interesting to see what people have experienced.

I figured with all the frequent posters there would be alot of input.

SK
 
No way am I posting my salary information. Way too personal.

Perhaps you should do an anonymous poll?

I think you misunderstood my opening post. I wouldn't expect people to divulge their own compensation packages just the highest community comp package of which they have personal knowledge.

SK
 
Being from Texas, maybe this will help.

Most of the offers I've heard of are in the $110-140/hr range if salaried, $130-160/hr if IC.

Not at all a scientific survey on my part, though. I quit paying attention right after I signed my contract. I'm happy where I am so I'm haven't started paying attention again, yet. Not much help for others, I know. Sorry.

Take care,
Jeff
 
Being from Texas, maybe this will help.

Most of the offers I've heard of are in the $110-140/hr range if salaried, $130-160/hr if IC.

Not at all a scientific survey on my part, though. I quit paying attention right after I signed my contract. I'm happy where I am so I'm haven't started paying attention again, yet. Not much help for others, I know. Sorry.

Take care,
Jeff

wow, that is low...i know of a private group in houston woodlands area paying low 200s for employee contracts...around here (central fl), things are high 100s (like 175) for ICs and 140s-150s for EC (those numbers are with 2 of the large contract mgmt groups)
 
wow, that is low...i know of a private group in houston woodlands area paying low 200s for employee contracts...around here (central fl), things are high 100s (like 175) for ICs and 140s-150s for EC (those numbers are with 2 of the large contract mgmt groups)

Then I'd advise taking one of them.

Take care,
Jeff
 
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Most of the offers I've heard of are in the $110-140/hr range if salaried, $130-160/hr if IC.

wow, that is low...i know of a private group in houston woodlands area paying low 200s for employee contracts...around here (central fl), things are high 100s (like 175) for ICs and 140s-150s for EC (those numbers are with 2 of the large contract mgmt groups)


Zin-I think Jeff is talking hourly and you are talking yearly. No?

(I could be completely wrong)
 
Zin-I think Jeff is talking hourly and you are talking yearly. No?

(I could be completely wrong)

we are both talking about hourly rates
it's really not that hard to find 200s/hour IC if you want that set up (not for me)...I personally don't care if a contract mgmt group makes some more if i'm still making mid 100s/hour as EC with a setup i like
 
Then I'd advise taking one of them.

Take care,
Jeff

well 3/6 of our senior residents did take the woodlands group offer! (and they have another alum from our program) and, yep, i do plan on taking something from the same contract mgmt group that operates our residency program.
 
Different malpractice climates may have something to do with it. Fl is not exactly doctor-friendly. (Some of us have sovereign immunity, which is a HUGE bene, IMHO)


For the record, I haven't been looking either, as am quite happy with my democratic-academic group at Community General. (It's an oxymoron, I know. But it works.)
 
I got a recruiting e-mail for this one for $300/hour

http://www.stjohnjobs.com/details2.php?JobNo=EM305

So if you want the job, go apply for it since it seems to be one of the best paid ones out there. Wonder how bad this job has to be or are they just making out like bandits? 🙂
 
For a job to be paying $300/hour it must be pretty terrible.
Possibly, but there is a clause with the $300/hour. You must be a partner to make that rate, and that takes 18 months according to their website.

Single Hospital Democratic Group
Earn $300+ an hour at partnership
65,000 volume ED
Brand new ER
18 month partnership track
8 hour shifts
20% admission rate

I'm betting they pay $175-200 for non-partners, and making partner status is probably pretty hard. They may can a lot of people before they make partner, which is why they may be recruiting.
 
IC: More money
Salaried: more benefits

Some jobs are easier, some have better ancillary staff, some have better leadership. Some are have more paperwork, toxic leadership, toxic patients, etc.

In general, because of the supply-demand relationship of EM, better jobs tend to pay less, and high paying jobs suck. If you're happy with your job, that's worth a lot. You'll work longer and enjoy life more. I've heard of a guy in Minnesota in a democratic group who works 50 hrs a week making half a mil. He hates his job and can't wait to retire.

Of course, what's sucks for you may be right for someone else, and vice-versa. I'm pretty happy with my high-volume/pathology locums job. I'm vacationing in lovely Europe right now, enjoying good food/alcohol/ladies, and I'm still jonesing to get back to my ER. (sad, I know)
 
I'm betting they pay $175-200 for non-partners, and making partner status is probably pretty hard. They may can a lot of people before they make partner, which is why they may be recruiting.

That's what I suspect as well. Often these small groups will want a large "buy-in" once you are eligible for partnership. You don't want to buy in? Great, hit the road.

They are a lot like pyramid schemes where they promise you something for joining, make money off of you for 2 years, then dump you and take all the profits.
 
Wow, $300/hr seems really high. Is this a common practice to bring folks on the partnership track just to drop them before they make partner? Seems pretty dishonorable.
 
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How large is this "buy in" and how do they expect you to pay for it if you're 18 months out of residency??

What is the typical "partnership" track like? I hear a lot of posters here talk about "when I make partnership", but I dont think I've never heard any poster say "as a partner"...

This makes me think there are waaaay less partners out there than it'd seem, but everyone seems to "offer partnership".
 
My salary works like this - $200-220 per hour, 12 hour shifts, 12-15 shifts per four week period.
 
Democratic fee for service group. 2 year buy-in. Made 300K first year, 350K second year. Avg partner salary around 420K/yr. Usually 14-16 8 hr shifts/mo. Busy place, lots of sick folks but great practice environment.
 
the $20 extra is for a stipend if you work over 39 hours that week, then your rate of pay would be $220 per hour for the work done and not added just to the 39+ hours.
 
For new grads/residents...
The "buy-in" is usually deducted from your salary. So, essentially you pay as you go and you never really miss the money. Usually once you are a partner you share the subsequent new hires buy-in money so you eventually get it back anyway. When I was looking at jobs as a new grad I had no problems with a buy-in. Remember the people who are partners have built this business from the ground up. I think it's unreasonable to expect to come out of residency and walk into a job with total financial and voting equality with members who may have been there 20+ years. That being said, do your homework regarding partnership availability, financial disclosure, who gets what monies, etc. No scrupulous group would (or should) withold partnership from a competent, hard working new hire. Before you sign get clear info on how partnerships are granted, voted on, merited, witheld, etc. Any group that invests 1-2 years in you is going to want to keep you on as a partner. If there are problems (i.e. professionalism, practice patterns, personality conflicts) they should be made clear to the candidate LONG before the partnership question is even raised.
For those considering groups with no buy-in...great but consider this - if you aren't buying in to a group be mindful of where the money is going, someone is probably making bank of of your hard work. Also, if there is no buy-in, what value does the group hold? Which can raise qustions about the groups long term viability/stability.
Not saying to ignore these groups, often they have great deals but just beware and ask, ask, ask before you sign.
Good luck!
 
I heard through a friend, whose uncle worked for a guy, whose brother's sisters husband was a ED doc some place in the Midwest, that he is making like $1,000,000 per hour. 🙄
 
For new grads/residents...
The "buy-in" is usually deducted from your salary. So, essentially you pay as you go and you never really miss the money. Usually once you are a partner you share the subsequent new hires buy-in money so you eventually get it back anyway. When I was looking at jobs as a new grad I had no problems with a buy-in. Remember the people who are partners have built this business from the ground up. I think it's unreasonable to expect to come out of residency and walk into a job with total financial and voting equality with members who may have been there 20+ years. That being said, do your homework regarding partnership availability, financial disclosure, who gets what monies, etc. No scrupulous group would (or should) withold partnership from a competent, hard working new hire. Before you sign get clear info on how partnerships are granted, voted on, merited, witheld, etc. Any group that invests 1-2 years in you is going to want to keep you on as a partner. If there are problems (i.e. professionalism, practice patterns, personality conflicts) they should be made clear to the candidate LONG before the partnership question is even raised.
For those considering groups with no buy-in...great but consider this - if you aren't buying in to a group be mindful of where the money is going, someone is probably making bank of of your hard work. Also, if there is no buy-in, what value does the group hold? Which can raise qustions about the groups long term viability/stability.
Not saying to ignore these groups, often they have great deals but just beware and ask, ask, ask before you sign.
Good luck!

thanks for your post - this is the most career relevant thread in months.
 
I heard through a friend, whose uncle worked for a guy, whose brother's sisters husband was a ED doc some place in the Midwest, that he is making like $1,000,000 per hour. 🙄

I always assumed that everyone but me was making this much.🙁
 
forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between IC and EC salaries? never seen that term used before, and search on here provided nada. Thanks.
 
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forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between IC and EC salaries? never seen that term used before, and search on here provided nada. Thanks.

independent contractor vs. employee agreements -
employee contracts usually have full benefits, plus they would pay 7.5% of your social security...independent contracts often pay more but leave you the responsibility of acquiring your own benefits (not malpractice but the stuff like health insurance, retirement accounts and social security contributions)...a few tax advantages to being IC, both have +/-
 
forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between IC and EC salaries? never seen that term used before, and search on here provided nada. Thanks.

Here's a link from the FAQ to a relavent thread about the differences between IC and employee statum in EM.
 
thanks, did do a search for IC and EC but without knowing what they meant it didnt do me much good. So seems that community groups if you make partner can be pretty lucrative, more so than the average EM salary
 
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