Hispanic Osteopathic Applicant

[Arijos0222]

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I've seen on acceptance rates to MD schools, that 80% of hispanics who applied to Allopathic medical schools who had a 3.4 GPA and a 30 on the MCAT, got in.

How about for Osteopathic schools of medicine? How feasible is it for a Hispanic applicant to get a 3.3-3.4 GPA and get say, a 27-28 on the MCAT?

Acceptance rate percentage for applicants of hispanic descent would be greatly appreciated.

 

[487806]

Why would it matter? Just get a high GPA (3.6+) and good MCAT (30/31+), and you should be good to go. URM doesn't help that much.

 

[sommerwing]

URM doesn't help that much.

I would very much beg to differ. (I think doubling a percentage would be considered significant)
http://www.edbasic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/medschool.jpg


And it may matter because the OP might be at a crossroad very late in his/her college career where he's deciding whether he has a shot at medicine, or has to go elsewhere. Unfortunately, not everyone has a time machine~


But sorry OP, I can't seem to find any information specific to DO schools at the moment.

 

[sector9]

The AACOM ("Osteopathic" schools) hasn't released such detailed stats as far as I've seen (compared with Table 24/Tables 25 from AAMC (aka "allopathic" schools), which breaks down acceptance percentages for GPA and MCAT ranges)

I would suggest aiming for the highest possible GPA and MCAT and not worrying as much beforehand about the role your race or ethnicity may play in the final admissions decision

 

[phikapdoctor]

I would very much beg to differ. (I think doubling a percentage would be considered significant)
http://www.edbasic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/medschool.jpg


And it may matter because the OP might be at a crossroad very late in his/her college career where he's deciding whether he has a shot at medicine, or has to go elsewhere. Unfortunately, not everyone has a time machine~


But sorry OP, I can't seem to find any information specific to DO schools at the moment.

If this graph is actual then this is disgusting. Almost makes me jelly of blacks and Mexicans.


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[johnwandering]

If this graph is actual then this is disgusting. Almost makes me jelly of blacks and Mexicans.


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welcome to the real world.

I don't want to start anything, but seriously, it may be a necessary good/evil.
There's evidence that black physicians are more likely to serve in underserved black communities, the same as hispanic physicians. We honestly have a huge shortage in the "most needy" areas and this is a program directed towards alleviating that problem.

But then again it does lower the standard "perception" of the black physician. I have a MS2 friend who did extremely well in school. He scored a 35 MCAT, 3.7 GPA, did a load of research and even took a gap year to complete some ongoing research he had going on and scored a few publications. But on first perception, everyone assumes that he "got there" because of his URM. And former pre-meds who assimilate back into the population would rather not seek a black/hispanic physician over a white/asian physician due to their knowledge of the URM and the perception of lower quality care, when that is not a generalization that should be made. And it's unfortunate.


Everyone worked hard to get here, everyone should get their due.

 

[music2doc]

If this graph is actual then this is disgusting. Almost makes me jelly of blacks and Mexicans.


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No, it's not. It's necessary. Sorry, but it's true. EVEN WITH these programs, my med school class is probably has about 1/4 the African American representation it should have and about 10x the Indian representation it should have. It's ridiculous to be honest. I didn't support AA prior to med school but now I at least cannot dismiss it as unnecessary (even if I dislike many aspects of it).

 

[Catalystik]

I've seen on acceptance rates to MD schools, that 80% of hispanics who applied to Allopathic medical schools who had a 3.4 GPA and a 30 on the MCAT, got in.

How about for Osteopathic schools of medicine? How feasible is it for a Hispanic applicant to get a 3.3-3.4 GPA and get say, a 27-28 on the MCAT?

Acceptance rate percentage for applicants of hispanic descent would be greatly appreciated.

Here is some of the information you are looking for. DO admission stat averages with Race-specific stats: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=12487361

Note that SDN has a PreOsteopathic Medicine Forum, if you have more questions related to DO schools.

 

[Arijos0222]

If this graph is actual then this is disgusting. Almost makes me jelly of blacks and Mexicans.


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Oh and, I don't see "Mexican" listed on the URL. I'm sure you meant Latino or Hispanic. It's a common misconception. 🙄

 

[Arijos0222]

Here is some of the information you are looking for. DO admission stat averages with Race-specific stats: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=12487361

Note that SDN has a PreOsteopathic Medicine Forum, if you have more questions related to DO schools.

Thank you. +1👍

 

[Hemorrage]

No, it's not. It's necessary. Sorry, but it's true. EVEN WITH these programs, my med school class is probably has about 1/4 the African American representation it should have and about 10x the Indian representation it should have. It's ridiculous to be honest. I didn't support AA prior to med school but now I at least cannot dismiss it as unnecessary (even if I dislike many aspects of it).

Not their fault that they work hard- URM's should learn a lesson from them

 

[DavetheMD]

I've seen on acceptance rates to MD schools, that 80% of hispanics who applied to Allopathic medical schools who had a 3.4 GPA and a 30 on the MCAT, got in.

How about for Osteopathic schools of medicine? How feasible is it for a Hispanic applicant to get a 3.3-3.4 GPA and get say, a 27-28 on the MCAT?

Acceptance rate percentage for applicants of hispanic descent would be greatly appreciated.

If the later are your stats OP then I would say you have a decent shot of a DO school acceptance, so long as the rest of your app is solid. 28 seems to be a competitive MCAT for matriculating DO students, but when you start to get into 25 or lower, not so much.

 

[Arijos0222]

Not their fault that they work hard- URM's should learn a lesson from them

It's also the mindset, and the surrounding area of where URM's live. Also the fact that most URM's don't have white collar workers in their families, thus, they believe that being a "Physician" isn't for them. So it's not about hard work, because many, many minorities do hard work in other areas. Who said that hard work entails studying from a book? Or going to lectures? I know many classmates of mine who say that they won't become a physician because that's for "smart people".

Yet, those are the same individuals who weren't pushed in high school. They weren't screamed at for getting below a B. I knew an Indian kid who was in 9th grade, and whenever he got below a B, he'd be so pissed. I used to ask him why he used to get so upset, and his reply was that "His father would hit him if he got a low grade"

And this was the case with many Indian kids that I know.

Most parents that are hispanic just tell their kids to graduate from high school, which was the case in my family. However, my father being a white collar worker, and him pushing me to go to college and be successful, was the push I needed to consider medicine as a career. A good majority of people who apply to medical school have white collar workers in their family, or perhaps other physicians.

So FYI, making that assumption about URM's working hard is a moot point, because I know many latino parents who work around the clock, who don't see their children basically at all, and they most likely aren't even hitting the 50K mark. It's not about HOW you work, it's the principle.

 

[Gauss44]

I've seen on acceptance rates to MD schools, that 80% of hispanics who applied to Allopathic medical schools who had a 3.4 GPA and a 30 on the MCAT, got in.

How about for Osteopathic schools of medicine? How feasible is it for a Hispanic applicant to get a 3.3-3.4 GPA and get say, a 27-28 on the MCAT?

Acceptance rate percentage for applicants of hispanic descent would be greatly appreciated.

You should be fine. As you may already know, 27-28 is a normal MCAT score and 3.3-3.4 are okay stats (not great, but okay) for an osteopathic school, even for non-Hispanics.

In the off-chance that you choose a school where "average" is above your marks, make sure that people in your categories not only get in, but also get residencys/graduate in reasonable numbers. Some universities let people in due to affirmative action, then do nothing to support them.

I don't have the acceptance percentage rate but AACOM might.

 

[Fivo]

OP find out your chances at an MD school, then multiply that percentage by 2 to find your chances at a DO school.

Here's an example:

You get a 3.5 and a 29 mcat, so you have a 55% chance of getting accepted to an MD school. This means you have a 110% chance of getting into a DO school.

No need to wish you good luck since you have higher than a 100% chance of getting in 👍

 

[Hemorrage]

It's also the mindset, and the surrounding area of where URM's live. Also the fact that most URM's don't have white collar workers in their families, thus, they believe that being a "Physician" isn't for them. So it's not about hard work, because many, many minorities do hard work in other areas. Who said that hard work entails studying from a book? Or going to lectures? I know many classmates of mine who say that they won't become a physician because that's for "smart people".

Yet, those are the same individuals who weren't pushed in high school. They weren't screamed at for getting below a B. I knew an Indian kid who was in 9th grade, and whenever he got below a B, he'd be so pissed. I used to ask him why he used to get so upset, and his reply was that "His father would hit him if he got a low grade"

And this was the case with many Indian kids that I know.

Most parents that are hispanic just tell their kids to graduate from high school, which was the case in my family. However, my father being a white collar worker, and him pushing me to go to college and be successful, was the push I needed to consider medicine as a career. A good majority of people who apply to medical school have white collar workers in their family, or perhaps other physicians.

So FYI, making that assumption about URM's working hard is a moot point, because I know many latino parents who work around the clock, who don't see their children basically at all, and they most likely aren't even hitting the 50K mark. It's not about HOW you work, it's the principle.

I agree with what your saying its primarily a cultural upbringing that encourages the tradition of academic success. The only thing that bothers me is that there seems to be quite a bit of ORM animosity on SDN primarily because there are quite a few ORM's that get into med school. People tend to forget its typically "harder" for an ORM to get in with lower grades than a URM

 

[Fivo]

I agree with what your saying its primarily a cultural upbringing that encourages the tradition of academic success. The only thing that bothers me is that there seems to be quite a bit of ORM animosity on SDN primarily because there are quite a few ORM's that get into med school. People tend to forget its typically "harder" for an ORM to get in with lower grades than a URM

 

[Gauss44]

If this graph is actual then this is disgusting. Almost makes me jelly of blacks and Mexicans.


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I would like to remind everyone that when passions are strong people tend to forget the OBVIOUS: If the graph seems unfair, disfunctional, or even infuriating (or the opposite), you are not the only one who thinks so. There has most likely been someone somewhere who blamed their failings on this system and took it out on URMs. Please be smart and don't get played. This system could certainly improve and serve it's purpose without stiring the trouble it currently does. It does play URMs against other groups, intentional or not. It's not the only system of it's sort. Please be wise.

 

[sector9]

Thread moved to hSDN as the OP is in high school

 

[Arijos0222]

I agree with what your saying its primarily a cultural upbringing that encourages the tradition of academic success. The only thing that bothers me is that there seems to be quite a bit of ORM animosity on SDN primarily because there are quite a few ORM's that get into med school. People tend to forget its typically "harder" for an ORM to get in with lower grades than a URM

I totally understand your frustration. If I were an ORM, I would be slightly jealous and I would feel under appreciated as well. Personally, I take it as a challenge, and even though I could theoretically "slack off" and get into med school, my prerogative is to get into a top 20, which is no task for anyone, even URM's, which have a slightly easier chance as well.

I've also seen some cases of "applicant segregation" if you will in acceptance to medical schools, as two close friends of mine, an african american and a caucasian, had similar grades and MCAT's. However, the african american colleague had way more EC's than the caucasian applicant. Even though this was the case, the caucasian was accepted to Georgetown, and the african american was denied to the same school, despite having a better application overall. He ended up going to UMDNJ.

 

[Peter Benkman]

I totally understand your frustration. If I were an ORM, I would be slightly jealous and I would feel under appreciated as well. Personally, I take it as a challenge, and even though I could theoretically "slack off" and get into med school, my prerogative is to get into a top 20, which is no task for anyone, even URM's, which have a slightly easier chance as well.

I've also seen some cases of "applicant segregation" if you will in acceptance to medical schools, as two close friends of mine, an african american and a caucasian, had similar grades and MCAT's. However, the african american colleague had way more EC's than the caucasian applicant. Even though this was the case, the caucasian was accepted to Georgetown, and the african american was denied to the same school, despite having a better application overall. He ended up going to UMDNJ.

Yes, you are correct about the segregation issue. I have heard about this before.

In my opinion, lots of caucasian premeds think that african american, latinos, and native american applicants to med school have a better chance of being accepted than caucasians; this could not be farther from the truth. If you look at the MSAR book and flip thru the pages of all the med schools, you will find that URM's are about 1% of each med school class ( or even less in some schools). There may be an exception in a couple of schools in Texas, but even then, the overwhelming majority of accepted students are caucasian.
If you are an URM it is actually HARDER to get in.

All the URM's I have met have to work full time jobs to help support their households and pay the bills, whereas most of the caucasians I know do not work or have any responsibilities at all besides school and dating.

 

[Medstart108]

welcome to the real world.

I don't want to start anything, but seriously, it may be a necessary good/evil.
There's evidence that black physicians are more likely to serve in underserved black communities, the same as hispanic physicians. We honestly have a huge shortage in the "most needy" areas and this is a program directed towards alleviating that problem.

But then again it does lower the standard "perception" of the black physician. I have a MS2 friend who did extremely well in school. He scored a 35 MCAT, 3.7 GPA, did a load of research and even took a gap year to complete some ongoing research he had going on and scored a few publications. But on first perception, everyone assumes that he "got there" because of his URM. And former pre-meds who assimilate back into the population would rather not seek a black/hispanic physician over a white/asian physician due to their knowledge of the URM and the perception of lower quality care, when that is not a generalization that should be made. And it's unfortunate.


Everyone worked hard to get here, everyone should get their due.

People forget that for every black or latino physician who gets in, there is a white or asian applicant who doesn't. Its not like we don't want black and latino physicians its that we are supposed to be a meritocracy not a racist society. History will look back on affirmative action and call it a mistake. There are much better ways of alleviating many of the social issues affirmative action wants to address.

Socio-economic status is more fair than AA. Start giving a small boost to the applications of individuals who have low family income or extenuating circumstances. Or you could designate medical school spots with a rural or black/latino neighborhood. If you apply for these designated spots, you are required to spend 5 years in a designated area. How is it fair to accept a black medical student who ends up working in a big city research hospital and reject an asian applicant who would've ended up working in a rural area.

The thing is, affirmative action isn't the catch all. You are just assuming that black medics will work in an underserved area and asians won't. Not all of them will. There are much better ways of increasing underserviced areas. You could attach return of service contracts to IMGs. You could create specific spots that attach a return of service agreement.

AA is just a copout because its something admissions could easily deny up front but actually do in the backroom.

 

[Medstart108]

No, it's not. It's necessary. Sorry, but it's true. EVEN WITH these programs, my med school class is probably has about 1/4 the African American representation it should have and about 10x the Indian representation it should have. It's ridiculous to be honest. I didn't support AA prior to med school but now I at least cannot dismiss it as unnecessary (even if I dislike many aspects of it).

Hey, you got in already. How would you feel if your spot was taken by a URM.. and now you are in the Caribbean getting in deep debt?

 

[Arijos0222]

Hey, you got in already. How would you feel if your spot was taken by a URM.. and now you are in the Caribbean getting in deep debt?

so how can you explain the 3.7-33 MCAT Caucasian gets rejected? Can you say troll?

I call shenanigans.

 

[Medstart108]

so how can you explain the 3.7-33 MCAT Caucasian gets rejected? Can you say troll?

I call shenanigans.

I don't get what you are trying to say. Of course some 3.7 33 MCAT caucasian will get rejected. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. Unless you knew the exact case scenarios including the interview performance of each candidate, you can't pinpoint why this applicant was accepted or rejected over another.

Those broad based statistics do tell the story. You don't know what its like being an ORM. You are fighting against a waterfall all the way through. You need to work harder than others for the same spot. It doesn't just end in college, it continues in med school and even in the workplace.

AA is similar to what Ivy League schools did with the Jews in the 19th and 20th century up until the 1960s. admissions are worried about top schools being "too asian". Well, in the 1930s, harvard worried about being "too jewish". Its history repeating itself, but always to target the perceived "too succesful minorities". Back when schools like Harvard had quotas for jewish applicants it was schools like NYU and City College of New York that took in the ridiculously smart and intelligent people who didn't make the quota. Jonas Salk was one of these people. His biography wrote: "for working-class immigrant families, City College represented the apex of public higher education. Getting in was tough, but tuition was free. Competition was intense, but the rules were fairly applied. No one got an advantage based on an accident of birth." From these ranks, of the 1930s and 1940s, emerged a wealth of intellectual talent, including more Nobel Prize winners—eight—and PhD recipients than any other public college except the University of California at Berkeley."

 

[Arijos0222]

I don't get what you are trying to say. Of course some 3.7 33 MCAT caucasian will get rejected. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. Unless you knew the exact case scenarios including the interview performance of each candidate, you can't pinpoint why this applicant was accepted or rejected over another.

Those broad based statistics do tell the story. You don't know what its like being an ORM. You are fighting against a waterfall all the way through. You need to work harder than others for the same spot. It doesn't just end in college, it continues in med school and even in the workplace.

AA is similar to what Ivy League schools did with the Jews in the 19th and 20th century up until the 1960s. admissions are worried about top schools being "too asian". Well, in the 1930s, harvard worried about being "too jewish". Its history repeating itself, but always to target the perceived "too succesful minorities". Back when schools like Harvard had quotas for jewish applicants it was schools like NYU and City College of New York that took in the ridiculously smart and intelligent people who didn't make the quota. Jonas Salk was one of these people. His biography wrote: "for working-class immigrant families, City College represented the apex of public higher education. Getting in was tough, but tuition was free. Competition was intense, but the rules were fairly applied. No one got an advantage based on an accident of birth." From these ranks, of the 1930s and 1940s, emerged a wealth of intellectual talent, including more Nobel Prize winners—eight—and PhD recipients than any other public college except the University of California at Berkeley."

Just because it's easier for URM's to get in said schools, doesn't mean that it's less competition.

I would even argue that it's even more vital for a URM to prove that they were good enough to get into -insert school/program here- even if they were a minority. I see it all the time, minorities trying to push themselves and going the extra mile to "prove" they are as good as anyone else.

If you are destined to be great, you will be great no matter what ethnic background your derived from

Many famous physicians come to mind who are minorities. Dr. Q from JHU transferred to Berkeley from a community college for undergrad, went to Harvard Med, and UCSF

I think that he would still have became a physician if he were a caucasian, asian, etc.

Politics is politics.

Also, not every minority is under-represented... I'm sure not. I didn't even qualify for any scholarships due to socioeconomic status, and the area I live in.

I don't think it would be that much easier for me.

From a puerto rican who grew up in Compton? It would definitely be easier.

 

[nysegop]

Being hispanic will almost always help. Period. Affirmative action applies at most schools.