Historically Black Medical Colleges

[sparty]

Do these colleges accept non african-americans as well. as an south asian indian is it worth me applying to these as well or is it just a waste of my primary money?

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[FSAP]

Do these colleges accept non african-americans as well. as an south asian indian is it worth me applying to these as well or is it just a waste of my primary money?

Don't waste your money.

 

[sarahl86]

I know someone who was accepted to Howard (but not attending for financial reasons)...white male and the epitome of a country boy, so you never know...

 

[justdoit31]

If you have extremely low stats you might consider them since they historically have lower acceptance ranges but if your stats are good don't do it. Moorehouse in Atlanta is a historically black school and my family physician told me to not apply there at all.

 

[nick_carraway]

Your chances are higher if you've worked with underserved populations before.

 

[BlackDr2b]

If you have extremely low stats you might consider them since they historically have lower acceptance ranges but if your stats are good don't do it. Moorehouse in Atlanta is a historically black school and my family physician told me to not apply there at all.

First off, I am offended by your post. What you just said is extremely wrong and ignorant. You have no clue what it takes to get into a HBCU(Howard, Morehouse, Meharry). It has nothing to do with scores. You think everybody who goes to these schools has lower scores? Just to let you know, you are wrong again. It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, it is about your commitment to serving and making a change in underserved communities.

Second, your family physician is wrong about Morehouse. Morehouse is a great medical school with a great education. Like I said before, it is about your commitment to the underserved. People who go to Morehouse have scores just as good as anybody else, if not better. Just to let you in on a little secret, scores are not everything!

Coming from somebody who is a student at an HBCU, Howard University College of Medicine, we have some of the brightest and intelligent people in the country. We have some of the most diverse classes, people from all backgrounds and walks of life. We here at Howard have produced physicians who have done tremendous things to change the face of medicine. It blows my mind that people think that people who go to HBCU's for medical school are idiots. WE ARE NOT!!!! We go to HBCU medical schools because we want support, family, love, great education, student cohesion(not competition), we want to serve, we want to change the way medicine is administered in OUR community!

To the OP, if you want to serve underserved communities, an HBCU is an amazing opportunity. But if you do not have a true desire to serve, then maybe Howard, Morehouse or Meharry isn't the place for you. Good luck to you in this cycle, if you have any questions about Howard, let me know. Especially since I am student here and I know what I am talking about.

 

[starfishprime]

First off, I am offended by your post. What you just said is extremely wrong and ignorant. You have no clue what it takes to get into a HBCU(Howard, Morehouse, Meharry). It has nothing to do with scores. You think everybody who goes to these schools has lower scores? Just to let you know, you are wrong again.

That would be what the statistics suggest.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way about 'historically white' or 'historically asian' medical schools. It's great that Howard, Morehouse, and Meharry were willing to give opportunities to blacks before the rest, but it's time to get with the program.

 

[witness23]

what justdoit meant was that these schools like to take applicants who are most likely to serve their mission statement post-training. if an applicant has subpar numbers, he/she should apply to medical schools broadly, thus putting consideration into each school (and deciding on an appropriate list)

 

[BlackDr2b]

That would be what the statistics suggest.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way about 'historically white' or 'historically asian' medical schools. It's great that Howard, Morehouse, and Meharry were willing to give opportunities to blacks before the rest, but it's time to get with the program.

What program is it that we need to get with? All the schools in the country are historically white, so what are you saying? Oh I am sorry, they have a couple of minority students in their class. The HBCU's are exist because we were not given opportunities. Still to this day, minorities with great numbers aren't given opportunities by the other 123 medical school, but Howard, Morehouse and Meharry will give them that shot. Statistics don't mean a damn thing! So you can get outta here with that. What she said was wrong and I wanted to let it be known that she was wrong.

 

[BlackDr2b]

what justdoit meant was that these schools like to take applicants who are most likely to serve their mission statement post-training. if an applicant has subpar numbers, he/she should apply to medical schools broadly, thus putting consideration into each school (and deciding on an appropriate list)

I know that, since I am a student here. But that was not what he/she said. They told the OP not to apply to HBCU's at all, or only apply if you have low numbers which is bull#$%^! That is wrong, period, dot, blank! Our schools are about commitment to serve, if you have that, then our schools might be for you. We have people with extremely high numbers and we have some people who don't have the greatest of numbers, but the adcom saw something in them and gave them a chance. I am a testiment to this, I dont have pretty numbers, but I have the desire and passion to get it done. And I am doing very well in school right now.

 

[dienekes88]

I know that, since I am a student here. But that was not what he/she said. They told the OP not to apply to HBCU's at all, or only apply if you have low numbers which is bull#$%^! That is wrong, period, dot, blank! Our schools are about commitment to serve, if you have that, then our schools might be for you. We have people with extremely high numbers and we have some people who don't have the greatest of numbers, but the adcom saw something in them and gave them a chance. I am a testiment to this, I dont have pretty numbers, but I have the desire and passion to get it done. And I am doing very well in school right now.

Classes have already started? Class of 2013? You guys start pretty early.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

Classes have already started? Class of 2013? You guys start pretty early.

Yea, I'm wondering that too.

Edit: I just looked on the Howard website and it looks like classes start towards the end of July. Hmm...I'm not sure how BlackDr2b is a student there already since he hasn't started yet. Maybe he can clarify?

 

[dienekes88]

Do these colleges accept non african-americans as well. as an south asian indian is it worth me applying to these as well or is it just a waste of my primary money?

Dude, check out the website, see if their curriculum and philosophy suit you.

If they do, then apply.

 

[riceman04]

Do these colleges accept non african-americans as well. as an south asian indian is it worth me applying to these as well or is it just a waste of my primary money?

If you have a demonstrated intrest of wanting to work in underserved communities, then I suggest you apply.

Despite the fact that such schools unfortunately have a bad rep (as does almost anything related to minorities), these schools are recognized for having facilitated the development of phenomenal clinical and research oriented physicians.

If you are simply trying to play the numbers game I say give it shot. Otherwise stay far away b/c these school can smell a rat a mile away

 

[student1799]

Yea, I'm wondering that too.

Edit: I just looked on the Howard website and it looks like classes start towards the end of July. Hmm...I'm not sure how BlackDr2b is a student there already since he hasn't started yet. Maybe he can clarify?

Howard has a supplemental "pre-matriculation" program that starts in May, to help get students ready for med school. I remember BD2B posting about it.

 

[riceman04]

Yea, I'm wondering that too.

Edit: I just looked on the Howard website and it looks like classes start towards the end of July. Hmm...I'm not sure how BlackDr2b is a student there already since he hasn't started yet. Maybe he can clarify?

you are aware of prematriculation programs right?

Howard's started 3 weeks ago

 

[riceman04]

That would be what the statistics suggest.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way about 'historically white' or 'historically asian' medical schools. It's great that Howard, Morehouse, and Meharry were willing to give opportunities to blacks before the rest, but it's time to get with the program.

sigh...another premed commenting on a topic on which he knows very little about...great job

you win kudos in my book 🙄

 

[BlackDr2b]

Classes have already started? Class of 2013? You guys start pretty early.

I am doing a pre-matriculation program and we are taking classes. We have done biochem and now we are doing cell bio/histo. It has been a challenge but I am getting it done. We are going thru lots of material.

 

[beerog2003]

If you have extremely low stats you might consider them since they historically have lower acceptance ranges but if your stats are good don't do it. Moorehouse in Atlanta is a historically black school and my family physician told me to not apply there at all.

I am in no way trying to flame this poster but at least spell the name of the school right. It is Morehouse not Moorehouse. Also, this post makes me so glad that I am informed about how important Historically Black Colleges and Universities are to this country. Also, some of your statistics are below the cut off for many of the 'majority' institutions and you should be thanking your lucky starts that the entire application process is not numbers driven.

There are many students at HBCU's that would make your application look like fly paper, but what is more important; the majority of the students would never dare to denigrate the name of another LCME accredited university.

Being part of the Class of 2013 you are my colleague. By speaking out against Morehouse as a whole, you have just disrespected hundreds if not thousands of your colleagues. Let us not drive down that road. There is a non-HBCU institution currently on probation, and it is not our job to cast stones at that university, but to try to help our colleagues if we can.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and freedom of speech, but at least back up your arguments with some type of fact.

To the OP, there are Asian-Americans currently at HBCU's. You should research the schools individually and see if this is somewhere that you want to be educated.

 

[redlight]

Do these colleges accept non african-americans as well. as an south asian indian is it worth me applying to these as well or is it just a waste of my primary money?

read their mission statement. if your career goals are not in line with the individual HBCU's goals, then don't apply. it's a simple as that.

if your goals do align, apply, hopefully contact people or visit the school to get a feel for the student body and the institution, but don't treat the school as a safety (like a lot of people treat their state schools). no school is going to accept someone who doesn't really want to be there unless they have no other options. that's pretty obvious, but i feel it should be stated given how you phrased your question.

edit: f*ck, im really slow in responding; dienekes beat me to it. that's the only logical way of figuring out if you should apply. im sure there are non urms there, but dont apply to the HBCU's as backup. only apply if you would happily attend and if your goals match theirs.

 

[Sir Buckethead]

Do any of these schools look favorably on internationally-minded applicants? My interests and experiences are in West Africa, but its my understanding that the underserved community HBCUs are interested in is exclusively in the US. Is that an accurate understanding?

 

[sidalexis]

OP, I would suggest applying to an HBCU med school if you have worked with or are committed to working with the underserved. I'm a grad student at Howard and I am very close with students in the school of medicine. Howard's medical and dental school are some of the most diverse I've seen. Check out the facebook pages. However, be ready to answer over and over again about your committment to working with the underserved. Black or not, you won't get a chance here if that's not your desire. I wouldn't suggest applying to Morehouse only because their class size is so small and the majority of their students are from Georgia. Numbers-wise it's not a smart move (unless you're from Georgia).

Also, for those of you who don't know, Howard does offer a summer pre-matriculation program which many students take advantage of. That's going on right now...so I'm sure that's what B is referring to.

I don't know why people think that HBCU's are any different than other schools. They are HISTORICALLY black colleges and universities...that means that they were started with the purpose of educating black students because other universities would not. That does not mean that they follow a "black-only" policy. That would be ridiculous.

My suggestion...PLEASE do research on ANY school to which you are going to apply. Anything less would be ill-advised on your part.

 

[redlight]

If you have extremely low stats you might consider them since they historically have lower acceptance ranges but if your stats are good don't do it. Moorehouse in Atlanta is a historically black school and my family physician told me to not apply there at all.

OP, ignore this post. im sure justdoit31 didnt mean any harm, but she did not present any meaningful facts to answer your questions nor provide any sound, logical argument as to why you should or should not apply to a HBCU.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

Howard has a supplemental "pre-matriculation" program that starts in May, to help get students ready for med school. I remember BD2B posting about it.

Ohh. Gotcha. Thanks for the info.

 

[witness23]

I think its imperative that everyone applying should read through the school's mission statements and goals. Not only does it help you narrow or expand your list of schools, it gets you excited for the upcoming season.

Plus imagine if ran into a member of the clergy at Loma Linda, being pregnant and stuff. They are gonna be like congrats! and you be like, nah, I'm planning to abort. Awkward.

 

[dienekes88]

I am doing a pre-matriculation program and we are taking classes. We have done biochem and now we are doing cell bio/histo. It has been a challenge but I am getting it done. We are going thru lots of material.

Dang, dude. Try to take some time to relax after M1.

 

[BlackDr2b]

My bad for getting a little bit angry. I love my school and I am thankful to be here. OP, make sure you do your research. Im gonna pm you.

Justdoit, I don't believe you meant any harm by what you said. Didn't mean to jump down your throat. Your statement just rubbed me wrong. No harm, no foul. Clas of 2013 is what it is!

 

[shahak49]

Guys, I myself haven't researched much into such topic. I am taking mcat soon. And, thought that I will just randomly select schools from msar stats..about 35 schools...

But, what is this????????Black or white or asian? I mean seriously. I am also Indian. Now, I think I should search into this, too. OK. So, which are the only white schools where I shouldn't apply at all? And, which are totally African american schools? I mean seriously???????????What is this?
And, which are the only Asian schools? (probably only in india and china...lol)

Anyways, curious to know this.

 

[Dissected]

That would be what the statistics suggest.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way about 'historically white' or 'historically asian' medical schools. It's great that Howard, Morehouse, and Meharry were willing to give opportunities to blacks before the rest, but it's time to get with the program.

What a ridiculous thing to say!

 

[nick_carraway]

I am doing a pre-matriculation program and we are taking classes. We have done biochem and now we are doing cell bio/histo. It has been a challenge but I am getting it done. We are going thru lots of material.

The fact that all of these pre-matriculation programs emphasize biochem scares me. There can't be THAT much biochem pathways memorization in MS1, can there? 🙁

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Historically asian schools...



Anyways, after reading the MSAR, I think Meharry and Morehouse have some sort of restriction that howard doesnt have. I forgot what it was though.

 

[Rendar5]

The fact that all of these pre-matriculation programs emphasize biochem scares me. There can't be THAT much biochem pathways memorization in MS1, can there? 🙁

pffsh biochem. Lowest of the low yield subjects to learn in both standardized tests and actual practice (the other ones are embryology and genetics unless you really specialize). there is plenty of biochem-related material that is pertinent to all manners of patient care, but knowing the pathways is not really important. by the time you do clinical work, you'll know the pertinent facts and you'll have long forgotten the Kreb's cycle.

The reason there tends to be biochem early is that it's not clinical, it's more similar to college courses too that you had to take. So it provides a nice in. Especially with pre-matriculation programs.

 

[Dr Lyss]

I think its imperative that everyone applying should read through the school's mission statements and goals. Not only does it help you narrow or expand your list of schools, it gets you excited for the upcoming season.

Plus imagine if ran into a member of the clergy at Loma Linda, being pregnant and stuff. They are gonna be like congrats! and you be like, nah, I'm planning to abort. Awkward.

👍 if you read the mission statements of schools it really helps both you and the school. It helps you pick schools that you will fit at the best, and it helps them do the same.


PS: Howard is an amazing school. Don't hate on something you know nothing about.

 

[nick_carraway]

pffsh biochem. Lowest of the low yield subjects to learn in both standardized tests and actual practice (the other ones are embryology and genetics unless you really specialize). there is plenty of biochem-related material that is pertinent to all manners of patient care, but knowing the pathways is not really important. by the time you do clinical work, you'll know the pertinent facts and you'll have long forgotten the Kreb's cycle.

The reason there tends to be biochem early is that it's not clinical, it's more similar to college courses too that you had to take. So it provides a nice in. Especially with pre-matriculation programs.

I have no doubt that biochem is low yield in practice, but I had the notion that biochem was a large portion of the MS1 curriculum, such that you had to memorize metabolic pathways. No?

 

[mallard]

You had to memorize metabolic pathways in college biochem so I doubt its anything less...

I feel like the major points are the relevant ones: i.e. metabolic disorders

 

[nick_carraway]

You had to memorize metabolic pathways in college biochem so I doubt its anything less...

I feel like the major points are the relevant ones: i.e. metabolic disorders

Yeah... I think my GPA is testament to the fact that I never bothered learning those pathways. Or my amino acids.

 

[Van Chowder]

I must say this thread is mighty interesting.. Got heated for a sec but everyones good now!

 

[Rendar5]

I have no doubt that biochem is low yield in practice, but I had the notion that biochem was a large portion of the MS1 curriculum, such that you had to memorize metabolic pathways. No?

it was maybe 1/12 of my first year??? And that includes genetics.

 

[DrSno]

I am in no way trying to flame this poster but at least spell the name of the school right. It is Morehouse not Moorehouse. Also, this post makes me so glad that I am informed about how important Historically Black Colleges and Universities are to this country. Also, some of your statistics are below the cut off for many of the 'majority' institutions and you should be thanking your lucky starts that the entire application process is not numbers driven.

Very true. Justdoit got into Tech because she is from West Texas and so they think she would be more likely to practice there.

 

[mmmcdowe]

OP, I would suggest applying to an HBCU med school if you have worked with or are committed to working with the underserved. I'm a grad student at Howard and I am very close with students in the school of medicine. Howard's medical and dental school are some of the most diverse I've seen. Check out the facebook pages. However, be ready to answer over and over again about your committment to working with the underserved. Black or not, you won't get a chance here if that's not your desire. I wouldn't suggest applying to Morehouse only because their class size is so small and the majority of their students are from Georgia. Numbers-wise it's not a smart move (unless you're from Georgia).

Also, for those of you who don't know, Howard does offer a summer pre-matriculation program which many students take advantage of. That's going on right now...so I'm sure that's what B is referring to.

I don't know why people think that HBCU's are any different than other schools. They are HISTORICALLY black colleges and universities...that means that they were started with the purpose of educating black students because other universities would not. That does not mean that they follow a "black-only" policy. That would be ridiculous.

My suggestion...PLEASE do research on ANY school to which you are going to apply. Anything less would be ill-advised on your part.

So why list yourself as a med student then?

 

[chiz2kul]

If you have extremely low stats you might consider them since they historically have lower acceptance ranges but if your stats are good don't do it. Moorehouse in Atlanta is a historically black school and my family physician told me to not apply there at all.

This post makes absolutely no sense

 

[Steeler7588]

Second, your family physician is wrong about Morehouse. Morehouse is a great medical school with a great education.

To be fair, she never said her family physician said it was a bad school. If she doesn't have a desire to work in underserved communities, telling her to not apply is pretty good advice, right?

Still to this day, minorities with great numbers aren't given opportunities by the other 123 medical school, but Howard, Morehouse and Meharry will give them that shot.

I understand you're upset with the disparaging comments, but come on, this isn't true at all. The admissions policies of schools today do a lot to increase URM enrollment. To say otherwise discredits the quality of those 123 medial schools as much as the statement you're responding to did with HBCUs.

 

[JJMrK]

First off, I am offended by your post. What you just said is extremely wrong and ignorant. You have no clue what it takes to get into a HBCU(Howard, Morehouse, Meharry). It has nothing to do with scores. You think everybody who goes to these schools has lower scores? Just to let you know, you are wrong again. It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, it is about your commitment to serving and making a change in underserved communities.

Second, your family physician is wrong about Morehouse. Morehouse is a great medical school with a great education. Like I said before, it is about your commitment to the underserved. People who go to Morehouse have scores just as good as anybody else, if not better. Just to let you in on a little secret, scores are not everything!

Coming from somebody who is a student at an HBCU, Howard University College of Medicine, we have some of the brightest and intelligent people in the country. We have some of the most diverse classes, people from all backgrounds and walks of life. We here at Howard have produced physicians who have done tremendous things to change the face of medicine. It blows my mind that people think that people who go to HBCU's for medical school are idiots. WE ARE NOT!!!! We go to HBCU medical schools because we want support, family, love, great education, student cohesion(not competition), we want to serve, we want to change the way medicine is administered in OUR community!

To the OP, if you want to serve underserved communities, an HBCU is an amazing opportunity. But if you do not have a true desire to serve, then maybe Howard, Morehouse or Meharry isn't the place for you. Good luck to you in this cycle, if you have any questions about Howard, let me know. Especially since I am student here and I know what I am talking about.

Chill out. Statistics don't lie, no matter much you try to convince us that they do.

 

[student1799]

Guys, I myself haven't researched much into such topic. I am taking mcat soon. And, thought that I will just randomly select schools from msar stats..about 35 schools...

But, what is this????????Black or white or asian? I mean seriously. I am also Indian. Now, I think I should search into this, too. OK. So, which are the only white schools where I shouldn't apply at all? And, which are totally African american schools? I mean seriously???????????What is this?
And, which are the only Asian schools? (probably only in india and china...lol)

Anyways, curious to know this.

The term "historically black" med school refers to the fact that Howard, Meharry and Morehouse were FOUNDED as all-black schools, because at that time blacks were excluded from virtually all other medical schools. However, these schools are no longer all-black by design; like all other med schools, they are legally barred from practicing racial discrimination in admissions. On the other hand, they still have a mission of producing doctors who want to work in underserved communities, and their enrollments are still predominantly black.

As for the other comments, they were just sarcastic. There is no such thing as a "historically Asian" med school in this country, period. And although it's (sadly) true that almost all US med schools are "historically white," it's not the schools' intention to remain that way, nor would it be legal for them to reject applicants based solely on race.

If you want to know the ethnic breakdown of a school's enrollment, that information is given in the MSAR, on the data page for each school.

 

[sidalexis]

So why list yourself as a med student then?

Because I'm matriculating to UNC med in August. I'm finishing my grad degree this summer.

 

[not so calm now]

Still to this day, minorities with great numbers aren't given opportunities by the other 123 medical school, but Howard, Morehouse and Meharry will give them that shot.

Not to pick a fight, but do you really think that's true?

 

[Dr Lyss]

Not to pick a fight, but do you really think that's true?

Yes, it is definitely true. The HBCUs (and some other schools scattered around the nation) are interested in the whole picture and your potential, rather than simply numbers. Some minority students that have troubled pasts (ie, disciplinary actions or a minor criminal incident) but have since cleaned up their act and have great numbers might not even get a second look at most schools because of subconscious stereotyping and an unwillingness to see past those flaws. HBCUs understand the culture these students come from, the difficulties they might have faced growing up, and can acknowledge their growth and great potential for getting out of that lifestyle.


I have a friend with amazing numbers that was incredibly intelligent and mature... but when he was younger he had no support at home (his mom was addicted to drugs and had no father) and he got involved in with a bad group of friends. He got caught robbing an empty house for a playstation so he could sell it and put food on the table. After that incident, he decided to change his life, and he did, but when he applied to medical schools most of them couldn't get look past his history. He ultimately did get accepted and attended his state school, but if schools were able to see the whole picture of his story & his personal growth I think he could have gone to Harvard. But most people probably just saw a gang banger or a thief, even though it happened 8 years ago.


On top of that HBCUs do an amazing job of supporting their students and making sure they have the services and tools they need to succeed. Other medical students might do a good job of recruiting minority students, but it is well known that few schools have good support systems in place for them.

So, please let's not start another URM flame war. If you wanna continue there's about 5 other threads floating around that you can vent your poison in. Let's not make it 6.

 

[Steeler7588]

Yes, it is definitely true. The HBCUs (and some other schools scattered around the nation) are interested in the whole picture and your potential, rather than simply numbers.

There are many schools like this, hardly a "scattered" few. Most of the top schools are looking for "whole picture" students.

Some minority students that have troubled pasts (ie, disciplinary actions or a minor criminal incident) but have since cleaned up their act and have great numbers might not even get a second look at most schools because of subconscious stereotyping and an unwillingness to see past those flaws.

But this applies to all applicants. It's unfortunate because some people truly change and cut off dangerous influences, but schools get so many applications that they can choose another person with a similar application that doesn't have the negative history. In some cases, an excellent personal statement, etc. can help a case. But don't try to label this as a minority specific issue - any criminal history is a huge disadvantage for all applicant.
[/quote]He ultimately did get accepted and attended his state school.[/QUOTE]
His state school, which goes against the original quote that only the HBCUs will give minorities a shot.

Maybe you're right that the support given by HBCUs to minorities cannot be matched by other schools. At the top schools I doubt it, but I agree that's likely at some medical schools. However, the argument that "numbers aren't everything, hurting minorities" doesn't work when it's an established fact that URMs are given a boost. The argument that "HBCUs look at the whole picture, not just numbers" doesn't work when that's the admissions policy for most of the top schools (with one exception, haha).

You say you don't want to get into another URM flame war, but I think it's an important and excellent policy to have, so you'll get no attacks from me. I don't think it's right to discredit these efforts, though.

 

[nick_carraway]

Not to pick a fight, but do you really think that's true?

Didn't someone post before the actual numbers of African American graduates from med school each year in one of our many URM threads?

I believe the numbers were staggering. 400+ African American graduates from med school, with the vast majority of them coming from the HBCUs. I reckon that they do, in fact, do a much greater service than the rest of the nation's medical schools in terms of increasing minority enrollment. The statistics even show--if my memory is right--that they graduate more African American doctors than all of the rest of the 123 schools combined.

Furthermore, the HBCUs are held in high regard in the African American community--especially Howard. There's a reason that they're seen that way and I reckon it's because they represent the pinnacle of black education. While Harvard is great, there's a reason that Harvard is not seen in the same light. They have simply not done as much for the URM community.

 

[sa94401]

If you have extremely low stats you might consider them since they historically have lower acceptance ranges but if your stats are good don't do it. Moorehouse in Atlanta is a historically black school and my family physician told me to not apply there at all.

Im not black, go to an hbcu and the average mcat score was 2 pt below the state school. for asians and whites the avergae mcat score was 1 pt below the state school. its not that much below. u cant have a 26 and a 3.0

also, for residencies, if you kill step 1, and u go to Howard or Morehouse, u will be in better shape than a MCg grad with a lower step 1 score