Historically Black or Open minded Schools

[misanne]

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Hi now hold on I just joined and I have some of these therads get pretty nasty in the issues of race.

I am interested in going to a historically black or any open minded medical school that is truly concerned with helping you graduate once you get there...not just getting you there to meet a quota, and I would just like to get some input on these schools does any one have positive comments about these schools that they would like to share??

 

[willthatsall]

What is the graduation rate for US MD schools, like 98%? If you have a problem graduating somewhere I don't think it is the school's fault. Meharry, Morehouse, Howard are all HBC, but there may be more.

 

[pathdr2b]

Try this thread. I'll bump it!

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=71468&page=1&pp=20&highlight=URM+school

 

[sistahnik]

from what I heard, sometimes the AA staff @HBC are not always going to be there for you. A friend of mine applied to Howard and had a really bad experience. the particular lady that she dealt with tried to do everything in her power to belittle her and make her effort a joke. I'm just saying be careful when you set out to go to a school because it's labeled HBC, because some of them are not going to lend a helping hand. just my .02 !! 🙄

 

[bokermmk]

Yeah it is true that HBC don't mean a helping hand. In general we have attitudes girl. Some days people at Howard be rude as hell and other days they be cool. I need the experience of my culture and I want it. Like someone else said 98% graduate so will graduate at any school it just depends on the type of experience you want to have. Being the only little black spot in the class of being in a class full of ni@@as with attitudes. Can't nobody touch mine so Howard is the place for me. I love my people.

what in the world are you talking about? You dont make and sense.

 

[Heal&Teach]

what in the world are you talking about? You dont make and sense.

Translation: Just like every other school, there will be ups and there will be downs (i.e., people's attitudes change with the wind). Some people may prefer to go to an HB institution, but going there with the idea that you'd automatically garner support is unreasonable. Some folks would feel more comfortable surrounded by their culture, while others may find the idea of going someplace where they are the minority a scary experience. You should go where you feel comfortable and happy, whether it be at a historically black institution, allopathic, osteopathic, overseas, or any other school.

 

[Heal&Teach]

Right back at'cha babe 😀

 

[lotanna]

Translation: Just like every other school, there will be ups and there will be downs (i.e., people's attitudes change with the wind). Some people may prefer to go to an HB institution, but going there with the idea that you'd automatically garner support is unreasonable. Some folks would feel more comfortable surrounded by their culture, while others may find the idea of going someplace where they are the minority a scary experience. You should go where you feel comfortable and happy, whether it be at a historically black institution, allopathic, osteopathic, overseas, or any other school.

ROFLMAO!!! 😀

 

[Newquagmire]

i'm not here to hate, just wondering how "historically black" = "open minded"??

 

[curlycity]

i'm not here to hate, just wondering how "historically black" = "open minded"??

'sup Quags. I think OP meant not = but "or", as in, HB *or* HW but open minded.

Whatevuh y'all - don't be afraid to be a pioneer, just do what's best for your patients and your career. Hey that rhymed! I've been the 1st woman in some places, and the only nontrad/nonmajority in others, and it's not all fun and games, but it is a learning experience and an important opportunity others have fought hard to give you. So, run with it if you want to. Go to Vanderbilt or any other school you want, with an open mind and thick skin 🙂

 

[curlycity]

and, Baylor has an URM recruiting program that struck me as pretty sincere. They directly addressed concerns I had like the stigma attached to being identified with the URM group, and have excellent support/network systems in place for *all* of their students.

I 😍 Baylor

 

[teekiee]

I have often heard bad things from HBCU's. They get a bad rep for a few "coustomer service complaints." You should not choose a school because it is a HBCU. Pick the school that best fits you.

 

[exmike]

Some folks would feel more comfortable surrounded by their culture, while others may find the idea of going someplace where they are the minority a scary experience. You should go where you feel comfortable and happy, whether it be at a historically black institution, allopathic, osteopathic, overseas, or any other school.

I've thought about this before. I think the main thrust of a HBC should be to increase the number of blacks practicing medicine. I think you are walking on a slippery slope when you want to be around "people you are comfortable with". Such attitudes would lead to exclusive institutions. Why not a historically Indian med school, or historically Asian med school? I'm sure all of those racial groups would be more "comfortable" with their own, but schools addressing that dont exist because there isnt a need to increase asians and indians in medicine.

 

[pathdr2b]

Why not a historically Indian med school, or historically Asian med school? I'm sure all of those racial groups would be more "comfortable" with their own, but schools addressing that dont exist because there isnt a need to increase asians and indians in medicine.

These groups have in large part assimilated into "white" culture where as far as I can tell, they have been warmly received. Most African Americans have not and can not which should in some way explains the desire to attend a school which celebrates ones' culture.

 

[curlycity]

HBCs sprang from the need to create black physicians when they weren't allowed to receive their education elsewhere, not a need to celebrate a culture. They represent a proud tradition of overcoming adversity and serving the needy.

Black people can't assimilate? Laughing hysterically.

Indians/Asians are assimilated into whiteness? I remember lots of awesome Asian cultural events at UT, and in the Bay Area (CA) when I was a kid. I just found out yesterday that in Houston, where I'll be moving this summer, there are areas with street signs only in Vietnamese. So yes they have their own culture. And NO they aren't warmly received! There are racist words for Asians and Indians too, stereotypes and prejudices galore.

Y'all, the color that matters nowadays is greeeeeeen. Those of us that want to, can get along.

Anybody want to hold my hand? We are the world, ...

 

[curlycity]

You should go where you feel comfortable and happy, whether it be at a historically black institution, allopathic, osteopathic, overseas, or any other school.

I think many people had uncomfortable experiences as undergrads as they were forced to encounter people from different backgrounds they would never normally choose to associate with, but ultimately that was an important part of their education. For example, one of my dear friends was shaken to discover she was the only small-town, religious-upbringing girl in a small class discussing sexual identity or something else she'd probably never said out loud before. In the end many of her preconceptions about certain groups were debunked and although she didn't change her mind about some things, she was set free of some significant prejudices.

It's good to be happy and comfy, but it's also good to have one's horizons broadened and be forced out of one's comfort zone in order to learn about the real world and learn how to defend one's views, conduct oneself with dignity in the face of provocation, and persuade others.

And in med school, is anyone comfy and happy? I guess I'll find out in six weeks ...

 

[exmike]

These groups have in large part assimilated into "white" culture where as far as I can tell, they have been warmly received. Most African Americans have not and can not which should in some way explains the desire to attend a school which celebrates ones' culture.

You are mistaken if you think asians and indians have "assimilated" and are "received warmly". I think they too would like to celebrate their cultures. However, that is not the goal of medical school; the primary goal of medical school being to education competent physicians. My point is that celebrating culture should be a far third behind 1) education competent physicians and 2) educating more black doctors. Indians and asians have much to benefit from a school the preferentially admits their kind, but again, such an institution is not needed.

 

[curlycity]

OP, didn't mean to hijack your thread. In addition to considering our suggestions, when you interview at places, see if the people react to you in a welcoming way or if they're phony; find out if the student body is integrated or cliquish; try to find out if there are faculty mentors available you can bond with and talk to throughout your med student career. Go to the best places you can get into educationally and price-wise and then make social concerns your third priority. You won't be interacting with everyone at your school - there might be bigots/jerks/losers out there, but if you can find people to support you you'll have a great experience. Keep in mind that what might seem like dismissive or condescending or maybe racist behavior to you might just be exhaustion, irritability, or a generally bad personality. Everyone gets the brunt of that.

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cerbernator]

Yeah it is true that HBC don't mean a helping hand. In general we have attitudes girl. Some days people at Howard be rude as hell and other days they be cool. I need the experience of my culture and I want it. Like someone else said 98% graduate from med school so you will graduate at any school it just depends on the type of experience you want to have. You can be the only little black spot in the class or be in a class full of ni@@as with attitudes. Can't nobody touch mine so Howard is the place for me. I love my people.

GODDAMNITT TALK IN ENGLISHxx

 

[kito]

Give her credit Herb, chalk is one entertaining troll.

Like the hoody SnS but not really.

 

[curlycity]

Give her credit Herb, chalk is one entertaining troll.

Like the hoody SnS but not really.

That's funny - meet the Herbernator!!!!!!!! Sounds like dope fiend to me.

 

[LoveDoc]

Hi path/lotanna...hi all URM docs to be...


just wanted to let you know i'm starting the application
process and asking for your prayers....

love you guys 😍

 

[Cerbernator]

Hi path/lotanna...hi all URM docs to be...


just wanted to let you know i'm starting the application
process and asking for your prayers....

love you guys 😍

How bout "Hi ALL DOCS to be"

Race pisses me off, we are not our GD skin color.

 

[Cerbernator]

That's funny - meet the Herbernator!!!!!!!! Sounds like dope fiend to me.

I'll smoke you 😎 😱

 

[curlycity]

Yeah, and that is SO rude to atheist URMs.

😎

Good luck to you though, from a *secret ethnicity* well-wisher 🙂

 

[Cerbernator]

Yeah, and that is SO rude to atheist URMs.

😎

Good luck to you though, from a *secret ethnicity* well-wisher 🙂

No more love for you miss curly!!! (jk 😍 😍 )

 

[LoveDoc]

How bout "Hi ALL DOCS to be"

Race pisses me off, we are not our GD skin color.

new defintion of URM= underrepresented in medicine.....check
the new definition by AAMC

God Bless my friend.

 

[Cerbernator]

new defintion of URM= underrepresented in medicine.....check
the new definition by AAMC

God Bless my friend.

In that case, The CERB is definitely underrepresented in medicine.

 

[kito]

In that case, The HERB is definitely underrepresented in medicine.

Agreed........ 👍

 

[curlycity]

Originally Posted by Herbernator
In that case, The HERB is definitely underrepresented in medicine.

Rockin!

 

[OSU ACTON]

x

 

[lotanna]

Hi path/lotanna...hi all URM docs to be...


just wanted to let you know i'm starting the application
process and asking for your prayers....

love you guys 😍

time flies!!! werent u just startin SIU like yesterday?
I'll definitely pray for u, and if again ur applyin to msu, HOLLA AT UR GIRL!!!! 👍

 

[curlycity]

Maybe a little diversity would do you some good. If not, find another thread. No one likes a cry baby. No one has any sympathy for you.

Do you know anything at all about Cerb? Speak for thyself haughty one.

Rarely does anyone call pathdr2b out for her anti-white rants. It's a free country, we can all speak our minds. Getting rid of people is not the way to make the things they say go away. Your post worked up until the last rude sentence - ad hominem (sp?) attack!!!

 

[cocoabutter]

People identify in many ways to one another. Sports fans, members of a religion, alumnai of a university, even people applying to medical school. You can identify with someone because they understand something fundamental about you (drive to be a doctor), they share your struggle( the application process), they speak your lingo(MCAT, LOR, GPA), and they support you. Why shouldn't people identify with race too. They have something in common. Take a look at the bulletin board! We all tend to group with those most like ourself. We have boards for those who are pre med, pre allo, pre osteo, pre dentistry, pre pharm, and pre optometry and on and on. No one ever makes a fuss about that.

I don't normally comment on the race issue, but I think that OSU ACTON makes a very valid point.

 

[Cerbernator]

People identify in many ways to one another. Sports fans, members of a religion, alumnai of a university, even people applying to medical school. You can identify with someone because they understand something fundamental about you (drive to be a doctor), they share your struggle( the application process), they speak your lingo(MCAT, LOR, GPA), and they support you. Why shouldn't people identify with race too. They have something in common. Take a look at the bulletin board! We all tend to group with those most like ourself. We have boards for those who are pre med, pre allo, pre osteo, pre dentistry, pre pharm, and pre optometry and on and on. No one ever makes a fuss about that. Get over yourself Cerb. Peel away your bitterness and accept that people can relate to others they have something in common with.

Maybe a little diversity would do you some good. If not, find another thread. No one likes a cry baby. No one has any sympathy for you.

Me diversity? How bout yourself? What do you know about diversity? I for one don't subscribe to the notion that skin color signifies being diverse. I know all sorts of people and can tell you that chances are i've had 10X the number of life experiences as you and probably met a lot more obstacles as well (despite being the "W" word). Sorry, while I can understand that some people might feel some sort of "relation" to others simply because they share the same skin color, I feel that it is a very primitive and base worldview. People should be encouraged to look beyond skin color, hell I thought that was what teh whole civil rights movement was about. As has been pointed out before, how would you feel if I started saying things like "Good look to all my fellow white heterosexual premeds"?

 

[medic170]

Me diversity? How bout yourself? What do you know about diversity? I for one don't subscribe to the notion that skin color signifies being diverse. I know all sorts of people and can tell you that chances are i've had 10X the number of life experiences as you and probably met a lot more obstacles as well (despite being the "W" word). Sorry, while I can understand that some people might feel some sort of "relation" to others simply because they share the same skin color, I feel that it is a very primitive and base worldview. People should be encouraged to look beyond skin color, hell I thought that was what teh whole civil rights movement was about. As has been pointed out before, how would you feel if I started saying things like "Good look to all my fellow white heterosexual premeds"?

I almost always agree with you cerb, especially on these types of issues, and I have respect for you. Unfortunatly, I left my 10 foot pole in another thread. If I find it, I will post my comments on this issue too. 😀

 

[Tone2002]

Do you know anything at all about Cerb? Speak for thyself haughty one.

Rarely does anyone call pathdr2b out for her anti-white rants. It's a free country, we can all speak our minds. Getting rid of people is not the way to make the things they say go away. Your post worked up until the last rude sentence - ad hominem (sp?) attack!!!

I wouldn't quantify it necessarily as anti-white, but as simple reactions to the mess people post about people of "color" insert any other nonwhite race you may chose.

 

[Cerbernator]

I almost always agree with you cerb, especially on these types of issues, and I have respect for you. Unfortunatly, I left my 10 foot pole in another thread. If I find it, I will post my comments on this issue too. 😀

Someone has to go where no sane poster would go!

 

[Newquagmire]

Why not a historically Indian med school, or historically Asian med school? I'm sure all of those racial groups would be more "comfortable" with their own, but schools addressing that dont exist because there isnt a need to increase asians and indians in medicine.

These groups have in large part assimilated into "white" culture where as far as I can tell, they have been warmly received. Most African Americans have not and can not which should in some way explains the desire to attend a school which celebrates ones' culture.

😕 what planet are you on?

Y'all, the color that matters nowadays is greeeeeeen. Those of us that want to, can get along.

Now this, on the other hand, bears some truth. If by "assimilating into 'white' culture" pathdr2b actually meant "generally spends their money in a way similar to upper-middle class whites" she may have been misunderstood.

But I doubt it.

 

[learss]

Hi now hold on I just joined and I have some of these therads get pretty nasty in the issues of race.

I am interested in going to a historically black or any open minded medical school that is truly concerned with helping you graduate once you get there...not just getting you there to meet a quota, and I would just like to get some input on these schools does any one have positive comments about these schools that they would like to share??

I could have sworn this thread was started just to post comments on HBC or open-minded medical schools. Misanne, I know a number of people who went to Howard and they love it alot. I also did an externship on the OB/GYN rotation with a group of MS3 students theres and it was fabulous. I have an opportunity to meet URMS at MCP Hahnneman and the school seemed pretty supportive of minorities. Also minorities I met were pretty happy to be there

 

[pathdr2b]

😕 what planet are you on?

How many Indians/Asians speak the language of their parents or grandparents, 1 generation after being in the US? That's what I thought. At least Hispanics stay true to their culture by continuting to speak the language of their ancestors.

 

[pathdr2b]

You are mistaken if you think asians and indians have "assimilated" and are "received warmly". I think they too would like to celebrate their cultures. However, that is not the goal of medical school; the primary goal of medical school being to education competent physicians. My point is that celebrating culture should be a far third behind 1) education competent physicians and 2) educating more black doctors. Indians and asians have much to benefit from a school the preferentially admits their kind, but again, such an institution is not needed.

I have to disagree with the goal of medical school. It is NOT to educate competent physicians, it is to educate physicians from ALL BACKGROUNDS so they can meet the medical needs of people from ALL BACKGROUNDS!!! Alsi Indians and Asians are very well represented in med schools so bringing them up is a moot point.


BTW, are you Asian or Indian? I'd bet that you don't speak Chinese, Japanese, or Hindi and I'd also bet that you parents/grandparents do. That's one way in which you've ASSIMILATED into white culture, in my book.

 

[bigdan]

Path-

I enjoy your honesty and openness, and your refusal to flex when others attack your often valid points.

I do take issue with you suggesting, however, that Asians and Indians are assimilated into White culture because they don't speak the language of their parents. I don't see that it holds water...Blacks have been speaking English only for centuries, but I agree that in general Blacks aren't fully integrated into White culture.

 

[pathdr2b]

Path-

I enjoy your honesty and openness, and your refusal to flex when others attack your often valid points.

I do take issue with you suggesting, however, that Asians and Indians are assimilated into White culture because they don't speak the language of their parents. I don't see that it holds water...Blacks have been speaking English only for centuries, but I agree that in general Blacks aren't fully integrated into White culture.

Please reread my original post. It states "that they have in large part" NOT absolutely and completely and I speak as a person with VERY close friends from BOTH cultures, as in I have dinner with, our children have sleepovers/parties TOGETHER. Language IS a huge part of culture as any anthropologist I'm sure would agree and I can accept the fact that people make their own choices when it comes to these things. But as a former student of Indian and Other Asian cultures (BA in Eastern Philosophy) I just think it's a shame these cultures aren't more acknowledged and celebrated by EVERYONE.

As for blacks speaking english, this is a poor example becasue you're talking about a group of people that were not ALLOWED to maintain their own culture. Now I ask you to look around at Africans living in America. I have yet to meet one that not only speaks their native language ALL THE TIME in addition to english but I've also observed them teaching their children to do the say. Listen, maybe you have this view that says that Ameriaca is one big melting pot but the reality is that is not and will never be in my lifetime. The only way you can celebrate other cultures and foster a spirit of diversity in this country is to acknowlegde the language, culture, religion ect. that each groups brings to the table.

Besides, who wants a salad with only one indegredient?

 

[learss]

Path-

I enjoy your honesty and openness, and your refusal to flex when others attack your often valid points.

I do take issue with you suggesting, however, that Asians and Indians are assimilated into White culture because they don't speak the language of their parents. I don't see that it holds water...Blacks have been speaking English only for centuries, but I agree that in general Blacks aren't fully integrated into White culture.

First, just want to say I am not attacking Bigdan's statement. However, that above statement is part of the problem. Blacks have lived here longer than most white Americans, yet we are not seen as part of the American culture.

 

[pathdr2b]

Hi path/lotanna...hi all URM docs to be...


just wanted to let you know i'm starting the application
process and asking for your prayers....

love you guys 😍

Hey Girl, we missed you!! Good to have you back!!! 🙂

 

[misanne]

i'm not here to hate, just wondering how "historically black" = "open minded"??

YES NOT REALLY THAT hb= opean minded I was asking about both seperately.

 

[misanne]

Well some of this is what I did not want to happen.... people arguing about race issues. I know that every one has their own opinion and is going to respond as they like....even if it does not pertain to the origional question. So thank you all who posted comments that were directly related to the question and I look foward to speaking with you again. To those of you who did not respond directly to the question better luck next time...

 

[OSU ACTON]

x

 

[exmike]

I have to disagree with the goal of medical school. It is NOT to educate competent physicians, it is to educate physicians from ALL BACKGROUNDS so they can meet the medical needs of people from ALL BACKGROUNDS!!! Alsi Indians and Asians are very well represented in med schools so bringing them up is a moot point.


BTW, are you Asian or Indian? I'd bet that you don't speak Chinese, Japanese, or Hindi and I'd also bet that you parents/grandparents do. That's one way in which you've ASSIMILATED into white culture, in my book.

Path I usually like your posts, but you are bordering on ignorant. First of all, I'm essentially a second generation Asian American. Second of all, the only way I can communicate with my grandparents is in their native tongue, so I do speak my native tongue. In fact I speak two dialects because one set of grandparents uses one and one uses another!!!

You are making generalizations about asians and indians that are as shortsighted as thoughtless as many of the stupid AA and URM comments people post on this forum! I would think that you would be more sensitive to that.

You are SUPPORTING my arguement. My point this whole that was that HBC's exist to INCREASE the number of BLACK DOCTORS. I said that should be their major reason for existence, not so blacks can feel "comfortable" going to school with each other. I think you understood that. You are wrong to assume that OVERREPRESENTATION = ASSIMILATION. I take that offensively.