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fancymylotus said:
Some of the weird flyover states have some form of dental mid level providers to make up for the lack of dentists in those states, and these people are some odd mix of dentist hygienist assistant
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lol
 
fancymylotus said:
Some of the weird flyover states have some form of dental mid level providers to make up for the lack of dentists in those states, and these people are some odd mix of dentist hygienist assistant
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Right, where they can make the claim of a dentistry shortage. That being said the banner of "dentist shortage" can be stretched to anything. Hence how NPs that were only supposed to do primary care in rural, underserved areas are now doing non-primary care in non-rural, non-underserved areas. All they need is a foot in the door.

And yes, @Anastomoses, it's called flyover country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyover_country
 
fancymylotus said:
Some of the weird flyover states have some form of dental mid level providers to make up for the lack of dentists in those states, and these people are some odd mix of dentist hygienist assistant
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Amazing that dental schools teach their graduates to practice completely on their own when they graduate in 4 years (although some people do general practice residencies) and medical school graduates aren't even allowed to wipe their own *** when they graduate at the end of 4 years. That being said, dentistry is not easy like it's portrayed to be.
 
DermViser said:
Amazing that dental schools teach their graduates to practice completely on their own when they graduate in 4 years (although some people do general practice residencies) and medical school graduates aren't even allowed to wipe their own *** when they graduate at the end of 4 years. That being said, dentistry is not easy like it's portrayed to be.
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at least a year of residency is mandatory for nys licensure

and no it's not, but running a business(let alone a family business) is way harder than the most complicated dental procedure I know how to do.
 
fancymylotus said:
at least a year of residency is mandatory for nys licensure

and no it's not, but running a business(let alone a family business) is way harder than the most complicated dental procedure I know how to do.
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Not when it's already set up for you. 😛

That's part of the reason I think that dentistry is not as necessarily highly sought after --- a lot of overhead, a lot of personal capital to invest when you've already taken loans for tuition, and it's all on you. That being said, you get your weekends off to rest.
 
DermViser said:
Not when it's already set up for you. 😛

That's part of the reason I think that dentistry is not as necessarily highly sought after --- a lot of overhead, a lot of personal capital to invest when you've already taken loans for tuition, and it's all on you. That being said, you get your weekends off to rest.
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weekends off? that's a funny joke. I work six days a week.
 
fancymylotus said:
lol what?

M 9-6
T 8-8
W 10-4 (my one derm-esque day)
Th 9-8
F 9-6
S 9-4
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"9 to 5" is an expression. It comes from the song, 9 to 5 by Dolly Parton,


What I meant is mainly on an outpatient basis. Which by the way you work on M and F also from 9 to 6 (1 hr difference). And yes, working on a Saturday is a choice.
 
I guess you missed the family business part where I have to do what my boss tells me?

It's not by choice. I would take pay cut and work less/have more of my sanity back but whatever
 
fancymylotus said:
I guess you missed the family business part where I have to do what my boss tells me?

It's not by choice. I would take pay cut and work less/have more of my sanity back but whatever
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Yes, if you had your own private practice. When you work in someone else's private practice that person calls the shots, esp. since they have to make pay day by the end of the month.
 
Dave89 said:
People who get into "lifting" arguments on threads not specifically dedicated to the subject are annoying as hell.
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ITT we have a jelly non-lifter annoyed that others are making gains...

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Yeah you mirin
 
Anastomoses said:
Is it not a thing? I was thinking about starting...
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I did not mean to suggest that lifting can't help one get "toned." Lifting is a great way to exercise for many people. It's true lifting will increase your muscle mass and subsequently raise your basal metabolic rate. But there's no magic rep/set combo that suddenly makes you get "toned" vs. "jacked", which is what the other poster seemed to be suggesting. In addition to the lifting, a reasonable diet and/or cardio routine is what gets someone "toned." In the world of weight training, there has long been this beginner dogma that '3 sets of 10-12 = toned and 4 sets of 6 = musclebound goon."

I see this kind of thinking more so in females who are worried that lifting heavy (relative to one's ability) will make them mannish or something. And so they end up doing 2.5lb dumbbell shoulder presses. The truth is, for most people, lifting weights will not result in absurdly disproportionate bodies, but will result in improved overall health and more desirable aesthetics.

I say go for it.
 
Anastomoses said:
Is it not a thing? I was thinking about starting...
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Being "toned" is just a combination of increasing your muscle mass and lowering your bodyfat, there is no such thing as "toning" or "shaping" muscle, contrary to popular belief.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
I did not mean to suggest that lifting can't help one get "toned." Lifting is a great way to exercise for many people. It's true lifting will increase your muscle mass and subsequently raise your basal metabolic rate. But there's no magic rep/set combo that suddenly makes you get "toned" vs. "jacked", which is what the other poster seemed to be suggesting. In addition to the lifting, a reasonable diet and/or cardio routine is what gets someone "toned." In the world of weight training, there has long been this beginner dogma that '3 sets of 10-12 = toned and 4 sets of 6 = musclebound goon."

I see this kind of thinking more so in females who are worried that lifting heavy (relative to one's ability) will make them mannish or something. And so they end up doing 2.5lb dumbbell shoulder presses. The truth is, for most people, lifting weights will not result in absurdly disproportionate bodies, but will result in improved overall health and more desirable aesthetics.

I say go for it.
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But but but...nobody wants those super-toned Britney arms.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
I did not mean to suggest that lifting can't help one get "toned." Lifting is a great way to exercise for many people. It's true lifting will increase your muscle mass and subsequently raise your basal metabolic rate. But there's no magic rep/set combo that suddenly makes you get "toned" vs. "jacked", which is what the other poster seemed to be suggesting. In addition to the lifting, a reasonable diet and/or cardio routine is what gets someone "toned." In the world of weight training, there has long been this beginner dogma that '3 sets of 10-12 = toned and 4 sets of 6 = musclebound goon."

I see this kind of thinking more so in females who are worried that lifting heavy (relative to one's ability) will make them mannish or something. And so they end up doing 2.5lb dumbbell shoulder presses. The truth is, for most people, lifting weights will not result in absurdly disproportionate bodies, but will result in improved overall health and more desirable aesthetics.

I say go for it.
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Especially for women, who don't have the hormonal responses necessary to gain large amounts of muscle. Whenever a woman is hesitant about weightlifting from that same perspective, just show them pictures of women powerlifters or crossfit athletes. They definitely aren't very muscular.
 
All this weightlighting, reps, muscle building talk is making me :barf:. Just waiting for someone to start bloviating about protein shakes (benefit of whey vs. casein), supplements, creatine, meal regimen, etc.
 
DermViser said:
All this weightlighting, reps, muscle building talk is making me :barf:. Just waiting for someone to start bloviating about protein shakes (benefit of whey vs. casein), supplements, creatine, meal regimen, etc.
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I'd stick with the creatine monohydrate, there is no literature to support buffered creatine products and creatine ethyl ester is actually less stable than monohydrate, causing increased rate of breakdown to creatinine. Just let me know if you need any protein powder recommendations, I got your back bro.
 
sidefx said:
I'd stick with the creatine monohydrate, there is no literature to support buffered creatine products and creatine ethyl ester is actually less stable than monohydrate, causing increased rate of breakdown to creatinine. Just let me know if you need any protein powder recommendations, I got your back bro.
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It's ok, I'm good as I'm already using CellTech.

 
DermViser said:
All this weightlighting, reps, muscle building talk is making me :barf:. Just waiting for someone to start bloviating about protein shakes (benefit of whey vs. casein), supplements, creatine, meal regimen, etc.
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Don't forget your carnosine and citrulline malate. You must not be a miscer.

Dat gainz, brah. 'mirin hard... real hard.
 
Dave89 said:
Don't forget your carnosine and citrulline malate. You must not be a miscer.

Dat gainz, brah. 'mirin hard... real hard.
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I truly hope those people who are into this stuff get the runs from all those protein shakes and supplements.
 
DermViser said:
I truly hope those people who are into this stuff get the runs from all those protein shakes and supplements.
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I use protein isolate. It doesn't give me the runs, but it does cause gas and/or constipation if I take too much at a time. Also feels like I'm drinking cement once it enters my stomach.
 
PL198 said:
Especially for women, who don't have the hormonal responses necessary to gain large amounts of muscle. Whenever a woman is hesitant about weightlifting from that same perspective, just show them pictures of women powerlifters or crossfit athletes. They definitely aren't very muscular.
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Exactly. It's hard enough for guys to build very muscular physiques, even w/ serum testosterone levels 10x higher than women. 99% of women will never look masculine even after yrs of weight training.

So women should lift as heavy as possible bc a) being strong is always good regardless of gender and b) more muscle = higher basal metabolic rate and better body fat control in the long run. Plus, the "fit" look is hnnnnggggg -- guys are always salivating over figure skaters and gymnasts, etc...
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
In the world of weight training, there has long been this beginner dogma that '3 sets of 10-12 = toned and 4 sets of 6 = musclebound goon."
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10-12 for size, 3-5 for strength, 6-8 for some mix of the two. Is this still right/semi-right? I refuse to venture back into broscience land so I still operate as if it's the 90s and I'm reading Muscle and Fitness magazine.
 
WhippleWhileWeWork said:
10-12 for size, 3-5 for strength, 6-8 for some mix of the two. Is this still right/semi-right? I refuse to venture back into broscience land so I still operate as if it's the 90s and I'm reading Muscle and Fitness magazine.
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That's a reasonable (even if somewhat simplistic) way to approach it, yes.

I remember the early 90s when my uncle would hand me his back issues of M&F. So much bro science. So many zubaz pants.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
I did not mean to suggest that lifting can't help one get "toned." Lifting is a great way to exercise for many people. It's true lifting will increase your muscle mass and subsequently raise your basal metabolic rate. But there's no magic rep/set combo that suddenly makes you get "toned" vs. "jacked", which is what the other poster seemed to be suggesting. In addition to the lifting, a reasonable diet and/or cardio routine is what gets someone "toned." In the world of weight training, there has long been this beginner dogma that '3 sets of 10-12 = toned and 4 sets of 6 = musclebound goon."

I see this kind of thinking more so in females who are worried that lifting heavy (relative to one's ability) will make them mannish or something. And so they end up doing 2.5lb dumbbell shoulder presses. The truth is, for most people, lifting weights will not result in absurdly disproportionate bodies, but will result in improved overall health and more desirable aesthetics.

I say go for it.
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Cardio is overrated and IMO, a waste of time unless someone truly enjoys it. A solid weight training routine and a well rounded diet (high protein, moderate carbs, low fats, and high fiber) is more than enough; especially if you do circuits or take short breaks between sets.
 
Turning wrenches - I've rebuilt 3 motorcycles, 2 60's Honda CB's and a Ducati Monster. I also took apart an Alfa GTV6 engine, put it back together, but couldn't get it running again. That was a few years ago, and to this day I wish I just replaced the fuel pump.

Music - Guitar, banjo, singing

Cooking & Japanese knives
 
Bearded_Monkey said:
Turning wrenches - I've rebuilt 3 motorcycles, 2 60's Honda CB's and a Ducati Monster. I also took apart an Alfa GTV6 engine, put it back together, but couldn't get it running again. That was a few years ago, and to this day I wish I just replaced the fuel pump.

Music - Guitar, banjo, singing

Cooking & Japanese knives
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Can we talk about this?
I have a Takeda Gyuto as my everyday chef's knife. An older friend of my parents is a Master Blade Smith and met Mr. Takeda at one of the shows, I used a few of the knives that this friend bought off of him and loved them. Naturally I keep it sharp using Japanese whetstones, it slices like a laser beam.
 
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allojay said:
Cardio is overrated and IMO, a waste of time unless someone truly enjoys it. A solid weight training routine and a well rounded diet (high protein, moderate carbs, low fats, and high fiber) is more than enough; especially if you do circuits or take short breaks between sets.
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Yup. A lot of cardio is just glorified resistance training anyway. Might as well make your strength functional by lifting weights, IMO. Can get your heart rate pretty high doing circuits.

Kinda weird how endurance cardio has become such a fad recently. Color runs/tough mudder/rock & roll halfs etc... There's going to be a spike in the demand for joint arthroplasty in ~40 yrs.
 
WhippleWhileWeWork said:
Can we talk about this?
I have a Takeda Gyuto as my everyday chef's knife. An older friend of my parents is a Master BladeSmith and met Mr. Takeda at one of the shows, I used a few of the knives that this friend bought off of him and loved them. Naturally I keep it sharp using Japanese whetstones, it slices like a laser beam.
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My go to is a Moritaka santoku with a couple of Global and Shuns to fill in the gaps. The Moritaka is 170mm - too small and too big at the same time. I started with the mass produced Japanese stuff, but want to get rid of them for more handmade customs.

I lust after a Takeda knife. I am torn between the 240 & 270mm gyuto though. A Takeda, Murray Carter, and for fun a Tanaka ironwood petty. I'm thinking that would be a good line up for now...

I have to admit I'm lazy with my sharpening and use a Wicked Edge. It's quick and easy. With the real knives will come real whetstones.
 
Bearded_Monkey said:
My go to is a Moritaka santoku with a couple of Global and Shuns to fill in the gaps. The Moritaka is 170mm - too small and too big at the same time. I started with the mass produced Japanese stuff, but want to get rid of them for more handmade customs.

I lust after a Takeda knife. I am torn between the 240 & 270mm gyuto though. A Takeda, Murray Carter, and for fun a Tanaka ironwood petty. I'm thinking that would be a good line up for now...

I have to admit I'm lazy with my sharpening and use a Wicked Edge. It's quick and easy. With the real knives will come real whetstones.
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I have the 240 and honestly I have never thought, "If I just had more blade", it's a pretty substantial knife and if it weren't so thin it might even be too much at times. I don't think I could handle the 270. I just checked the current price on CKTG, whew. They've really gone up in price, I've had mine since 2011 and at the time thought it was a great value for a hand forged Japanese knife. I'd love to have a petty to go along with it but those cheap little ceramic jobs at Sur La Table are just too easy.

When you do make the jump to whetstones, I'd HIGHLY suggest that you practice on the cheapest knives in the house first. Watching a few youtube videos will not save one from scratching up the finish or jacking up the edge really bad. Many a new fancy knife has needed a complete rework by someone who knows what they are doing because of someone who thought they did. My Victorinox SS beater has borne the brunt of my learning curve and it's not pretty.
 
WhippleWhileWeWork said:
Speaking of M&F mags from the 90s, man, Cell Tech was the bomb.com. Apparently it's so bad it's multiple meme worthy? What's the "cell tech makes you fat" jab about? I just remember that it tasted horrible.
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In the past, Cell-Tech was known for its ridiculous and bogus claims on its packaging, so it was primed to be the perfect target for ridicule, especially since it wasn't that great of a product for its high price. I've heard that its formulation has been improved, but I'd rather just stick to plain creatine monohydrate for a fraction of the price.

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Dave89 said:
I use protein isolate. It doesn't give me the runs, but it does cause gas and/or constipation if I take too much at a time. Also feels like I'm drinking cement once it enters my stomach.
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Is this you?
 
CherryRedDracul said:
In the past, Cell-Tech was known for its ridiculous and bogus claims on its packaging, so it was primed to be the perfect target for ridicule, especially since it wasn't that great of a product for its high price. I've heard that its formulation has been improved, but I'd rather just stick to plain creatine monohydrate for a fraction of the price.

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Haha, thanks for the run down. The 4 page+ ads in the Muscle and Fitness usually featured guys in white coats in a lab and what not, seemed legit.
 
necro-bump.

WhippleWhileWeWork said:
Source? I'm particularly interested in 1000x, shear force, and how one measures or what equation one uses for such a thing?
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Stumbled upon a source for this, though the 1000x number is waaay off. No mention of how this was determined.

"Sqats achieve forces that are 10 times the failure threshold at the disc. Degenerative disc changes may be seen in the first decade of weight training in the male weight lifter. At age 40, 80% of male weight lifters manifest degenerative disc changes."

Of note, the paper also cites some juicy biomechanic cadaveric studies that quantify in Newtons the stress on the lumbar discs during various football maneuvers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=12831647
Gerbino PG, d'Hemecourt PA. Does football cause an increase in degenerative disease of the lumbar spine? Curr Sports Med Rep. 2002 Feb;1(1):47-51. Review. PubMed PMID: 12831647. (Affiliation: Orthopaedics @ Children's Hospital in Boston)

This seems like an interesting paper too, but my institution doesn't have web-access to it and inter-library loan is pending.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=8364984
Tall RL, DeVault W. Spinal injury in sport: epidemiologic considerations. Clin Sports Med. 1993 Jul;12(3):441-8. Review. PubMed PMID: 8364984.
 
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