Hod you do feel about Edwards getting rich suing docs ?

[MilwaukeeMike28]

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Could you vote for Kerry / Edwards knowing that Edwards got rich suing doctors who deliver babies for a living ? He is former lawyer who got rich suing docs and now complains about the cost of health care.

 

[IndyZX]

I feel that all Americans should be allowed to have their day in court.

 

[Mumpu]

What's driving up the costs of malpractice is not the lawsuits themselves -- it's the multimillion dollar awards. Who awards these ludicrous sums? We the Uneducated Gullible People who make up the jury.

Yes, lawyers suck, but lawyers are only a part of the problem.

To play devil's advocate a little, some doctors deserve to be sued -- it seems like it's the only effective way to get bad and incompetent physicians to stop practicing.

And I will vote Kerry/Edwards. Sketchy as they may be, at least they are admitting that healthcare is a problem and trying to do something about it.

 

[frantic983]

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[Supadupafly]

Divide and conquer. Does anyone else see how clearly big business (HMO's, Pharmaceutical Co.s, Republican interests in general) is trying to destroy the independent professional as we know them? For anyone who cares to look, the Kerry/Edwards plan has a great plan to cut down the number of frivolous malpractice suits.

If the public associated their care with a specific and consistant doc, maybe they'd have more respect (& sue us less.) Unfortunately, they deal more with the insurance companies than us!

Make a difference:
(AMSA & SNMA are open to undergrads)

http://www.amsa.org/prof/

http://www.amsa.org/member/

http://www.snma.org/membership.html

 

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[Sharky]

Three words - medical liability reform. That's why Bush is getting my vote.

 

[TexPre-Med]

Bush is the MAN!

 

[OnMyWayThere]

Although I don't like a lot about Bush, I read that the majority of funding for Kerry is coming from law firms ----> who will get paid back in one way or another and Edwards being a trial lawyer suing docs, I'm staying away from them. I wish there was a " Both suck" option on the ballot and if majority vote that, we would get a new candidate. But it looks from the two options available, I feel Bush > Kerry

 

[Supadupafly]

Read my previous post.

A vote for Bush is a vote for the HMO that may be paying you sh;t for your hard work, the pharmaceutical company that takes vital medication out of your patient's financial reach, and the MBA that wants OUR standard of living.

A vote for Kerry is a vote for the people you will serve as a doctor and the job security/pay that come with their need for your services and their ability to pay (insurance affordability). Edwards DID make his fortune through some pretty lame stuff, but look at it this way: Edwards screwed a few of us (one or two of which may have actually been bad doctors who deserved it); Bush AND Cheney (especially) are screwing ALL OF US!

If you actually do some research, you'll see the Kerry campaign has a better plan than Bush to deal with frivolous malpractice lawsuits. In addition to capping malpractice awards, they will punish lawyers who bring too many suits. This will make it impossible for a lawyer to make a living off ambulance chasing.

Remember, Edwards isn't a great VP (Dr. Dean may have been a better pick.) Still, Bush and Cheney are rotten compared to just about any choice we could be given. Choose Kerry. He's in charge, and he's a great guy and a hero (I'm a 6 year veteran and combat medic, so don't even go there).

Kerry is the Physician's choice.

 

[IndyZX]

I think they're all jackasses, but you should remember that VPs don't do anything.

 

[Medikit]

I think they're all jackasses, but you should remember that VPs don't do anything.

Except Cheney, the most powerful vice of all time.

That said I think there are more important issues at hand than Edwards's past history as a lawyer. Now while I do agree with IndyZX that Edwards role will probably be marginal, it could be significant if the senate becomes equally divided again.

 

[Supadupafly]

Except Cheney, the most powerful vice of all time.

And damaging (IMO, EVIL).

...it could be significant if the senate becomes equally divided again.

This means vote for the party that represents those of us who actually work for a living (EVERY PHYSICIAN IN PRACTICE!!), the Democrats.

Given the power, Bush will DESTROY our autonomy. Our practice would be determined by regulatory laws dictated by his personal opinions and financial interests (could stem cells help treat cystic fibrosis, cancer, HIV disease, ect???????).

Vote Kerry. He's in it for Physicians and anyone else who sincerely WORKS for a decent standard of living.

 

[krelian]

What's driving up the costs of malpractice is not the lawsuits themselves -- it's the multimillion dollar awards. Who awards these ludicrous sums? We the Uneducated Gullible People who make up the jury.

Not to diss your comment, but I've heard and read otherwise. While the large payouts attact headlines and attention, it's the number of lawsuits and the all too frequent pre-trial settlement that accounts for the bulk of of malpractice costs. For every multimillion dollar settlement, there's probably hundreds of small pre-court settlement (in the tens of thousdands) to plaintiffs just to get them off the doctors' and hospitals' back.

That said, all the blame can't be placed on lawyers. Everyone is at faullt, especially bad/incompetent doctors.

 

[adamj61]

Its a little of both...who ****ing cares though, Edwards is just like any other dirty lawyer. Kerry and Bush were in the same secret society....with all of these political threads I don't understand how you can study science and then vote for someone who won't support stem cells. I understand the crazy religious people out there, but SDN, come on. Does it just not matter to some of you guys...

 

[Supadupafly]

...it's the number of lawsuits and the all too frequent pre-trial settlement that accounts for the bulk of of malpractice costs.

All true, but it's not (all) bad doctors. I truly believe most docs are good people. It's the psycho-social motive for suing. There are so many lawsuits being brought right now. My school is teaching that it's because people feel like their docs aren't involved, don't care, & don't listen. When people THINK their Doc is competant, they're less likely to sue. Looking at the shape of healthcare these days; I see HMOs contolling the gates. I might not get to see the same patient twice, so how can they come to trust me? I want to form patient/physician relationships, not to get sued.

Hence, I'm voting democrat no matter who's name comes after Kerry's on the ticket.

I WILL NOT vote for the guy (Bush) who sold my seniors to the pharmaceutical companies or keeps insurance and medicare from paying me when I see poor patients (imagine if all of the poor ER patients had insurance! We'd get paid!)

 

[krelian]

....with all of these political threads I don't understand how you can study science and then vote for someone who won't support stem cells. I understand the crazy religious people out there, but SDN, come on. Does it just not matter to some of you guys...

After that whack Duke secondary question, I don't think stem cell is that straightforward as an issue for scientists. If every scientist supported stem cell research, there would probably be less divide on it compared to the current situation. While I'm for progress, I also realize that supporting stem cell means taking money away from other research as well (principle of opportunity cost). Given the current controversy, it all comes down to whether it's worth it to invest in stem cell given its current inefficiencies and long-run potential.

 

[uproarhz]

In all sincerity, I would have to agree that the suing thing is an all American attitude. I mean I have lived elsewhere and never seen any other place where say McDonald's gets sued because their cup of "HOT Tea" is HOT!!! Go figure! For as long as the amercans think that they can win serious cash with lottery or lawsuits you are going to have useless lawsuits to deal with and you are going to have to pay for them no matter who's in office. So in short, I won't vote against the democrats because Edwards is a malpractice lawyer. I'd be more scared of the guy whose appointees try to invade my relationship as a confidente to my patients by wanting to see their medical files. Whether you are pro-choice or pro-life, no one should have the right to look at my patients files unless they are qualified to treat them. Not to mention it's against the HIPPA laws and every other law we currently have.
How should our patients trust us, if we can't even protect their privacy????!

 

[Supadupafly]

(principle of opportunity cost). Given the current controversy, it all comes down to whether it's worth it to invest in stem cell given its current inefficiencies and long-run potential.

As an Economist (albeit, not a professional one), I'll key in that the opportunity cost is not whether or not stem cell research vs. some other valuable research is conducted. It's further upstream. Appropriations are made based on expected need vs. "what congress wants to pay". Given the amount payed for stem cell research now and the fact that a TON of nongovernmental agencies are funding it, the obstruction is not economic, but political.

 

[labrador]

The good news about this election is that it's pretty simple to choose. If you believe you will be making a good income as a physician and your goal is to maximize your personal economic status, pay less taxes, etc. then you should vote for Bush. If your goal is to do what's best for those less fortunate than you as well as for future generations, then you should vote for Kerry.

 

[Supadupafly]

So in short, I won't vote against the democrats because Edwards is a malpractice lawyer. I'd be more scared of the guy whose appointees try to invade my relationship as a confidente to my patients by wanting to see their medical files...
How should our patients trust us, if we can't even protect their privacy????!

Yayy!!!!

Bush is against the very principle of our profession: the magnitude of the Physician/Patient relationship.

Vote Democrat. Vote as a physician. VOTE!!

 

[krelian]

As an Economist (albeit, not a professional one), I'll key in that the opportunity cost is not whether or not stem cell research vs. some other valuable research is conducted. It's further upstream. Appropriations are made based on expected need vs. "what congress wants to pay". Given the amount payed for stem cell research now and the fact that a TON of nongovernmental agencies are funding it, the obstruction is not economic, but political.

I agree with your point. I was merely giving some reasons as to why I may oppose stem cell research but still be for scientific progress. Economics has never really played a major role in how scientific dollars are doled out.

 

[the other Dr.]

I agree with your point. I was merely giving some reasons as to why I may oppose stem cell research but still be for scientific progress. Economics has never really played a major role in how scientific dollars are doled out.

Actually, economics does play a big role! Most recently and tangibly, federal fund restructuring put a bill on the table that reduces NSF funding by 2%. That's 2% of basic science research that could lose funding; one in fifty labs! Other private funders of more medically-oriented research, like HHMI, are also putting the squeeze on labs that have traditionally enjoyed financial security. Even small cuts in funding mean that the less glamorous avenues of research fall by the wayside, and these same small cuts are subsequently used to justify larger ones. Even research is subject to the almighty dollar, especially when the budgeting is done by people with a narrow or short-sighted scientific or medical agenda, or when politics/religion/etc are allowed to hold sway over scientific progress.

 

[Ajay]

Its a little of both...who ****ing cares though, Edwards is just like any other dirty lawyer. Kerry and Bush were in the same secret society....with all of these political threads I don't understand how you can study science and then vote for someone who won't support stem cells. I understand the crazy religious people out there, but SDN, come on. Does it just not matter to some of you guys...

You don't have to be a 'crazy religious guy' to be wary of stem cell research. If you really can't understand the other side, then you need to use your noggin' a bit more. It's one thing to not agree, but to say that you don't understand - even for dramatic flare - is, for lack of a better word, stupid.

 

[Pemulis]

Here's a radical thought: vote as an American, not as a future Physician.

I'm looking at both choices--which I admit, I'm not ecstatic about--and seeing it like this: on the one side we have a team that's had four years to make a mark. In that time they've gotten the country ridiculously into debt (not a conservative principle), destroyed our alliances (not a conservative principle), slashed protection for the environment (not, actually, a conservative principle; see Teddy Roosevelt or any pre-Reagan Republican), diverted resources from the war on terror to go fight in Iraq, and most alarmingly, shown a shocking lack of respect for democracy (Patriot act; the leaking of classified info to smear political opponents, i.e. Valerie Plame; the holding of 'enemy combatants' without any burden of presenting a shred of evidence; the labeling of anybody who opposes them in any way, including members of their own party, as 'unpatriotic'; etc.) Their only re-election tactic is to convince the voters that their opponent--whom nobody can argue did in fact volunteer to go fight in a war zone--is a sissy, while they are somehow more macho.

On the other side I see two people who aren't awe-inspiring, but who at least are attempting to come up with some ideas on how to fix these problems. Seems to me that the least we can do is give them a chance.

Put another way: if the economy collapses; if our future taxes go through the roof to pay for the deficits of today; if we get pounded again and again by terrorists; if our environment is so polluted that our kids are born with three heads--that tort reform isn't going to do you a hell of a lot of good. If on the other hand America is doing well, then its physicians will do well, even if they are the victim of stupid lawsuits.

 

[Howard Roark]

One word - Iraq - that's why BUSH is getting my vote.





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[coincidental]

One thing I think is interesting is that many of his medical lawsuits were in 1979. 1979! There have been a lot of advances in medical understanding since then. Furthermore, he had physicians testify on his side, to the best of their 1979 understanding. Sure, they were wrong in the long run, but back then, the jury thought they were right and the other side didn't convince them differently.

So, I don't think we can just say, Edwards=medical malpractice lawyer=bad. I think this is a little more complicated and shouldn't necessarily have an impact on the election. Just like I don't particularly care about Vietnam.

Kerry '04

 

[stinkycheese]

Edwards DID make his fortune through some pretty lame stuff, but look at it this way: Edwards screwed a few of us (one or two of which may have actually been bad doctors who deserved it); Bush AND Cheney (especially) are screwing ALL OF US!

Edwards only screwed one of us? Are you kidding? He was the litigator that won more than $100 million in claims agains OB/GYN's. Largely because of him, the rate of elective c-section rose in the country to try to avoid litigation for cerebral palsy births, but guess what? The number of cerebral palsy births stayed the same even with the national rate of c-sections being higher. Oops, I guess its not as correlated as Edwards thought! He also had a large part in the huge malpractice insurance fees that OBGYNs have to deal with now - after getting them for more than $100 million, what insurance company wants to keep insuring an OBGYN?

Edwards is vile. His actions affect all of us. Did you know he wouldn't take malpractice cases where the baby had already died because he liked to be able to bring the child into a courtroom to show the jury and to pull at their heartstrings? He wasn't working for justice, he selectively took cases for the biggest reward. He's a fcukshot dingus.

 

[TexPre-Med]

The only person I agree with on this thread is LABRADOR. Thank you so much for finally stating the truth. The medical industry already has enough problems to elect a malpractice attorney as president. I can not believe so many pre-meds are pro Kerry. It is ludicrous! There are hundreds of threads on SDN that talk about high insurance costs and high taxes. Edwards helped create those high insurance costs through lawsuits and wants to increase taxes for people earning over $200,000 (which is most doctors). It's great you want to help people through the medical profession, but learn to protect yourselves. I believe that if doctors didn't have so much overhead to pay, we could spend more time in undeserved parts of America doing charity work. And there is NO better way. No matter what anyone says, you can't get cheaper healthcare to the poor when there is NO bill for them to pay! Making physicians happier will benefit everyone!

 

[Howard Roark]

hello

 

[beek]

does anyone happen to have any sources, websites, articles, books, whatever, regarding edwards' time as a lawyer?

On the other side of things, a couple of articles from the washington post about bush's "success" as a reformer in texas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61362-2000Feb16.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33053-2000Feb9.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32997-2000Feb9.html

 

[Dr Turninkoff]

One word - Iraq - that's why BUSH is getting my vote.





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it's funny you say that since your name has an ayn rand quote that essentially decries violence as a solution to conflict resolution. furthermore, you think what is going on in iraq is good? i suggest you turn your TV off of Fox News and pick up a copy of the economist or any other reliable news source.

 

[Dr Turninkoff]

The only person I agree with on this thread is LABRADOR. Thank you so much for finally stating the truth. The medical industry already has enough problems to elect a malpractice attorney as president. I can not believe so many pre-meds are pro Kerry. It is ludicrous! There are hundreds of threads on SDN that talk about high insurance costs and high taxes. Edwards helped create those high insurance costs through lawsuits and wants to increase taxes for people earning over $200,000 (which is most doctors). It's great you want to help people through the medical profession, but learn to protect yourselves. I believe that if doctors didn't have so much overhead to pay, we could spend more time in undeserved parts of America doing charity work. And there is NO better way. No matter what anyone says, you can't get cheaper healthcare to the poor when there is NO bill for them to pay! Making physicians happier will benefit everyone!

if taxes on what you make over 200k are your primary concern, i highly doubt that you have the degree of selflessness that it takes to do charity work for the underserved. also "making physicians happier" isn't synonymous with their position in the tax bracket. get your head out of the piggy bank and think about what is best for your patients and not just yourself.

 

[J Lucas]

Three words - medical liability reform. That's why Bush is getting my vote.

HAH, hes been in office 4 years and he hasnt even gotten around to "starting" medical liability reform and that still wont help Physicians unless he tackles insurance companies which he wont do. Bush is for reform to help insurance companies bottom lines not physicians...

 

[VPDcurt]

I am definitely voting for Bush this year but it's not because Edwards is a lawyer. I say good for him on that. If law is what he is happy practicing, then so be it. I am voting for Bush because I believe that he is best for our country right now. This is no time to switch administrations. Given the circumstances under which Bush has served, no one could be doing a better job. These last 4 years have been a disaster (due to reasons stemming directly from 9/11) and no president could create a booming economy or eliminate all threats to national security in such a time period. I am just so sick of the negativity from the left and the fact that they never talk about their stance on any issue - it is just criticism of Bush. There are two majorities out there right now...those that support Bush, and those that are against Bush. Kerry has very few actual supporters with respect to people that are voting for him simply because he is "not Bush." That says something about a man like him - if he gets elected, it will just be him having been in the right place at the right time. However, this is not surprising considering what the democratic primaries were like - I thought I was watching a three-ring circus during the debates. I must admit, it was hilarious though.

Bottom Line: Dems are for big government whereas Repubs want minimal government involvement in our lives. Personally, I would like to spend my money how I please and make decisions for myself rather than having a gov. agency do it for me. The government should be there to keep us in check rather than control our lives.

 

[J Lucas]

Kerry is not a Trial lawyer, some people need to get their facts straight and stop smearing edwards name with facts that only you know.

 

[sweatybrain]

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Bottom Line: Dems are for big government whereas Repubs want minimal government involvement in our lives.

I'm sorry, but what rock have you been hiding under? Hello, Total Information Awareness system? When I was in grad school, this admin demanded that our school submitted the financial records for every foreign student without the students' permission. That's not minimal government involvement in my book.


😕

 

[beek]

exactly, j lucas. i hope someone can provide some actual info on edwards rather than just painting him as a doctor-hating ambulance chaser.

historically i'd agree that republicans are for smaller government, free-enterprise, etc. but it seems the current administration has done much to consolidate the power of the government, particularly in the executive branch, and now has more control over our lives than previous administrations.

 

[towens5]

if taxes on what you make over 200k are your primary concern, i highly doubt that you have the degree of selflessness that it takes to do charity work for the underserved. also "making physicians happier" isn't synonymous with their position in the tax bracket. get your head out of the piggy bank and think about what is best for your patients and not just yourself.

Care to share some personal information? Are you parents funding your education? Just curious, because my head was never in the piggy-bank until I realize how deep in debt(personally) medical students are after medical school. I have financed my whole education and will continue to do so as I support my family. Forgive me for being selfish, but I care about my family, enough so that my biggest fear is for something to happen to me and my family is left with the bill. Yet, I still choose to help people through being a doctor.

On another note, what kind of prick are you? Who questions someone's selflessness that chooses a profession like medicine? Tell me, does saving someone's life in the ghetto or the country count more? Should professional athletes, businessman, and trust-fund babies be the only ones to enjoy a good life? Seems to me, I would rather have a 40 million dollar contract in a physician's hands than a professional athlete or businessman. At least the physician has a history of altruism.

If I am wrong about you, I apologize in advance.

 

[Dr Turninkoff]

Care to share some personal information? Are you parents funding your education? Just curious, because my head was never in the piggy-bank until I realize how deep in debt(personally) medical students are after medical school. I have financed my whole education and will continue to do so as I support my family. Forgive me for being selfish, but I care about my family, enough so that my biggest fear is for something to happen to me and my family is left with the bill. Yet, I still choose to help people through being a doctor.

On another note, what kind of prick are you? Who questions someone's selflessness that chooses a profession like medicine? Tell me, does saving someone's life in the ghetto or the country count more? Should professional athletes, businessman, and trust-fund babies be the only ones to enjoy a good life? Seems to me, I would rather have a 40 million dollar contract in a physician's hands than a professional athlete or businessman. At least the physician has a history of altruism.

If I am wrong about you, I apologize in advance.

1. i pay for my education and will continue to do so through medical school.
2. even if doctors made a max of 200k, you'd be doing a hell of a lot better off than most people, even with a debt burden and a family.
3. it is a fact that many people apply to medical school because they they know that even with the debt burden, if accepted, they will become a part of one of the highest paid professions in the country, not because they want to help people.
4. in some ways, yes, saving a life in the ghetto or country counts more, not from an individual sense, but because in the ghetto or the country there would not be another doctor there to do it. these issues don't exist in affluent areas, hence the push for doctors to contribute their services to medically underserved areas.
5. if i'm a prick because i hate listening to people that are caught up in doctors' salaries, so be it. i hope that there are some "pricks" like me on the adcom panels because they see money motivated "altruism" for what it is, horse****.
6. finally, there are bigger issues this election than tax brackets, get your heads out of the sand.

 

[whtdasheezy]

One word - Iraq - that's why BUSH is getting my vote..

so let me get this straight, you are voting for him because he lied to the American public about huissen's WMD for the sole purpose of getting his oil men and energy companies rich(haliburton,etc)

i suggest you read more articles regarding the issues behind the war. not to mention, many of our countries soldiers are coming back in body bags just because we want cheaper oil??

HOlla

 

[VPDcurt]

so let me get this straight, you are voting for him because he lied to the American public about huissen's WMD for the sole purpose of getting his oil men and energy companies rich(haliburton,etc)

i suggest you read more articles regarding the issues behind the war. not to mention, many of our countries soldiers are coming back in body bags just because we want cheaper oil??

HOlla

Maybe you should stop watching fahrenheit 9/11 and thinking that everything coming out of michael moore's mouth is a fact. bush did not lie to the american people - the CIA, along with many other world intelligence agencies, told bush that saddam had WMDs. If he questions everyone in those agencies and goes against what they tell him to be factual, the world would be complete chaos. are you guys going to stop attacking this administration? or do you dems truly enjoy expressing pessimism, hopelessness, and negativity with respect to our nation? stop running a sob campaign.

 

[towens5]

1. i pay for my education and will continue to do so through medical school.
2. even if doctors made a max of 200k, you'd be doing a hell of a lot better off than most people, even with a debt burden and a family.
3. it is a fact that many people apply to medical school because they they know that even with the debt burden, if accepted, they will become a part of one of the highest paid professions in the country, not because they want to help people.
4. in some ways, yes, saving a life in the ghetto or country counts more, not from an individual sense, but because in the ghetto or the country there would not be another doctor there to do it. these issues don't exist in affluent areas, hence the push for doctors to contribute their services to medically underserved areas.
5. if i'm a prick because i hate listening to people that are caught up in doctors' salaries, so be it. i hope that there are some "pricks" like me on the adcom panels because they see money motivated "altruism" for what it is, horse****.
6. finally, there are bigger issues this election than tax brackets, get your heads out of the sand.

fair enough.

 

[Dr Turninkoff]

Maybe you should stop watching fahrenheit 9/11 and thinking that everything coming out of michael moore's mouth is a fact. bush did not lie to the american people - the CIA, along with many other world intelligence agencies, told bush that saddam had WMDs. If he questions everyone in those agencies and goes against what they tell him to be factual, the world would be complete chaos. are you guys going to stop attacking this administration? or do you dems truly enjoy expressing pessimism, hopelessness, and negativity with respect to our nation? stop running a sob campaign.

sob campaign? how about using the lives of 3000 americans to justify losing 1000 more as a campaign basis? when i die, by whatever means (or is that an end?), i do not want my death to be election fodder to kill other human beings. we're not the snopes family, although sometimes it appears that way.

 

[Mothra]

You Kerry/Edwards types are truly ignorant, or perhaps you're too young to know how the HMO debacle happened.

In '92-'93, the Clintons attempted a government takeover of the healthcare industry. Thwarted, they used supply-side theory to drive up supply (and you conservatives think the Clintons are stupid!) - and pushed the doctors right into the waiting arms of the HMOs. At that time, the hype about HMOs was IMMENSE. HMOs were THE ANSWER TO ALL OUR PROBLEMS! 🙂 Ha!

So don't blame conservatives/Republicans for physicians' loss of autonomy and income. THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

My prediction is that when enough docs are employees, there will be unions. THAT will suck. (Imagine an indigent patient having to cross a picket line to discover that the ER isn't staffed.)

 

[adamj61]

After that whack Duke secondary question, I don't think stem cell is that straightforward as an issue for scientists. If every scientist supported stem cell research, there would probably be less divide on it compared to the current situation. While I'm for progress, I also realize that supporting stem cell means taking money away from other research as well (principle of opportunity cost). Given the current controversy, it all comes down to whether it's worth it to invest in stem cell given its current inefficiencies and long-run potential.

True, but we all know that isn't Bush's logic. "Our priorities is our faith" said by the great speaker himself.

 

[TexPre-Med]

I hate to break it to you Turninkoff but if physician salaries weren't what they are, there would be a huge shortage of doctors and many that are unqualified. Medicine is a business like anything else. Of course we have compassion, altruism, etc and wish to help the poor. Everyone in medicine knows this! However for decades of hard work and dedication, there are not enough intelligent human beings out there to sacrifice for minimal pay. Almost everyone at SDN would become attorneys or businessmen if not for the money. Grow up and open your eyes. Everyone looks out for themselves first. If you can find a way to pay off debts, give to the poor, provide for a family, pay insurance premiums, etc. without high salaries, why don't you let us know. Until then I will look out for my fellow doctors, strive for the highest salary I can, provide adequate care for my patients, and aid underrepresented areas as well as I can. 4 MORE YEARS BABY!

 

[Dr Turninkoff]

I hate to break it to you Turninkoff but if physician salaries weren't what they are, there would be a huge shortage of doctors and many that are unqualified. Medicine is a business like anything else. Of course we have compassion, altruism, etc and wish to help the poor. Everyone in medicine knows this! However for decades of hard work and dedication, there are not enough intelligent human beings out there to sacrifice for minimal pay. Almost everyone at SDN would become attorneys or businessmen if not for the money. Grow up and open your eyes. Everyone looks out for themselves first. If you can find a way to pay off debts, give to the poor, provide for a family, pay insurance premiums, etc. without high salaries, why don't you let us know. Until then I will look out for my fellow doctors, strive for the highest salary I can, provide adequate care for my patients, and aid underrepresented areas as well as I can. 4 MORE YEARS BABY!

I know Texas is a big place, but if you look at Europe, you will see that not everyone interested in medicine is after a flashy car and a house on south padre. In reference to what you said, I'm not saying that doctors shouldn't make a good salary. I think that they should for the reasons you stated. What I am saying is that voting based on how your 200k+ tax bracket will change is deplorable. And #1 isn't who will have to go to war when the next call comes from the person you put in office. 😱 <- open eyes

 

[VPDcurt]

I know Texas is a big place, but if you look at Europe, you will see that not everyone interested in medicine is after a flashy car and a house on south padre. In reference to what you said, I'm not saying that doctors shouldn't make a good salary. I think that they should for the reasons you stated. What I am saying is that voting based on how your 200k+ tax bracket will change is deplorable. And #1 isn't who will have to go to war when the next call comes from the person you put in office. 😱 <- open eyes

Just one important point - this isn't Europe. One more important point - people can vote based on whatever issue they please. This is America.

 

[Dr Turninkoff]

Just one important point - this isn't Europe. One more important point - people can vote based on whatever issue they please. This is America.

make sure you use that europe line in your interview when they ask you for a comparison. also, having the ability to do something doesn't make it any less deplorable so remember to take a chill pill the next time someone flips off your grandmother. after all, This is America.