homosexual....

[AntiviralsRule]

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I'm a heterosexual white male. In my interview, I was waiting for the oppurtunity to bring up the fact that I am sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts. Dealing with this ridicule has taught me to persevere and strive to achieve all of my goals.
Unfortunately, I instead had to talk about my pharmacy and educational experiences, how I manage my time, and why I think pharmacy is for me.😎

It's typical of a heterosexual male to respond with this type of ignorance. Clearly you don't understand what getting gay-bashed is like, what getting ostracized from your family and your community is like, and what kind of struggles we as gay people go through to find a mate who isn't totally screwed up by the self-loathing borne of homophobia in this society.

We're not saying that we feel we've struggled because we're attracted to members of the same sex, or we like guys with blonde hair, or whatever. We're saying we've struggled because we've had to deal with ignorant homophobes and discrimination. If that's not revelant to someone's life and someone's motivation, I don't know what is.

 

[yazzman]

It's typical of a heterosexual male to respond with this type of ignorance. Clearly you don't understand what getting gay-bashed is like, what getting ostracized from your family and your community is like, and what kind of struggles we as gay people go through to find a mate who isn't totally screwed up by the self-loathing borne of homophobia in this society.

We're not saying that we feel we've struggled because we're attracted to members of the same sex, or we like guys with blonde hair, or whatever. We're saying we've struggled because we've had to deal with ignorant homophobes and discrimination. If that's not revelant to someone's life and someone's motivation, I don't know what is.

WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS////PEOPLE ARE GETTING REALLY UPSET OVER THIS ISSUE....IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SAY YOUR GAY DURING AN INTERVIEW GO FOR IT...WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO EXPRESS SEXUAL ORIENTATION DURING AN INTERVIEW....I THINK ITS A REAL BAD MOVE BECAUSE YOU ARE PLACING YOURSELF IN A VULNERABLE POSITION..

i THINK dienophile POST WAS A CLEVER WAY OF SAYING DONT EXPRESS YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION DURING AN INTERVIEW..........

 

[evilolive]

WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS////PEOPLE ARE GETTING REALLY UPSET OVER THIS ISSUE....IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SAY YOUR GAY DURING AN INTERVIEW GO FOR IT...WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO EXPRESS SEXUAL ORIENTATION DURING AN INTERVIEW....I THINK ITS A REAL BAD MOVE BECAUSE YOU ARE PLACING YOURSELF IN A VULNERABLE POSITION..

i THINK dienophile POST WAS A CLEVER WAY OF SAYING DONT EXPRESS YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION DURING AN INTERVIEW..........

Do you enjoy yelling?

 

[AntiviralsRule]

WOW ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS////PEOPLE ARE GETTING REALLY UPSET OVER THIS ISSUE....IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SAY YOUR GAY DURING AN INTERVIEW GO FOR IT...WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO EXPRESS SEXUAL ORIENTATION DURING AN INTERVIEW....I THINK ITS A REAL BAD MOVE BECAUSE YOU ARE PLACING YOURSELF IN A VULNERABLE POSITION..

i THINK dienophile POST WAS A CLEVER WAY OF SAYING DONT EXPRESS YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION DURING AN INTERVIEW..........

It may have been "clever" in a way, but try to read it from the perspective of a gay person. It comes off as patronizing and ignorant, and it minimizes us as human beings -- basically saying that all we care about is sex, that we don't have a right to feel angry for being treated like second class citizens, and that we should hide who we are.

 

[reverse90]

I'm a heterosexual white male. In my interview, I was waiting for the oppurtunity to bring up the fact that I am sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts. Dealing with this ridicule has taught me to persevere and strive to achieve all of my goals.
Unfortunately, I instead had to talk about my pharmacy and educational experiences, how I manage my time, and why I think pharmacy is for me.😎

You might want to take some sensitivity training, I heard it goes a long way in your career.🙄

 

[dienophile]

It may have been "clever" in a way, but try to read it from the perspective of a gay person. It comes off as patronizing and ignorant, and it minimizes us as human beings -- basically saying that all we care about is sex, that we don't have a right to feel angry for being treated like second class citizens, and that we should hide who we are.

I sincerely apologize for offending you. I did not mean to patronize, and I am not ignorant of the inner struggle that many homosexuals must overcome; however, I believe that one's personal sexual preference is an inappropriate topic to present unprompted at an interview. I would think that even if prompted one could articulate the life struggles that one has had to overcome without revealing a sexual preference. Additionally, I don't believe that it is guaranteed to help you gain addmission to a school. It may in fact arouse discrimination from the interviewer that you would never be able to prove. Why bring up something like that? I'm not saying hide it. I am saying dont flaunt it.
Once again, sorry for the social infraction. I was trying to make the above point with a bit of levity.

 

[dienophile]

You might want to take some sensitivity training, I heard it goes a long way in your career.🙄

Being "thick-skinned" can also help you in your career.

 

[ethyl]

I'm a heterosexual white male. In my interview, I was waiting for the oppurtunity to bring up the fact that I am sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts. Dealing with this ridicule has taught me to persevere and strive to achieve all of my goals.
Unfortunately, I instead had to talk about my pharmacy and educational experiences, how I manage my time, and why I think pharmacy is for me.😎

 

[ethyl]

It's typical of a heterosexual male to respond with this type of ignorance. Clearly you don't understand what getting gay-bashed is like, what getting ostracized from your family and your community is like, and what kind of struggles we as gay people go through to find a mate who isn't totally screwed up by the self-loathing borne of homophobia in this society.

We're not saying that we feel we've struggled because we're attracted to members of the same sex, or we like guys with blonde hair, or whatever. We're saying we've struggled because we've had to deal with ignorant homophobes and discrimination. If that's not revelant to someone's life and someone's motivation, I don't know what is.

I can certainly understand your struggle and being gay can help define you, but mentioning it WILL risk your rejection from a school. You're supposed to avoid risk during an interview and it's beyond me why anyone would potentially doom their interview.

If one of the interviewers happens to disagree with your lifestyle or believed it was unprofessional of you to bring up your sexual preference, they WILL be uncomfortable that you decided to mention it in a professional interview. If I were interviewing you it would be an automatic turn off with a mental note of "wtf was she thinking? How is this relevant to pharmacy or her academics?" And that's the only thing that would stick out in the interview... not your academics, extracurrics or anything.

 

[SexyPlexi]

Hey! I didn't read anyone else's responses yet so I apologize if I repeat. In my opinion (and really, who am I?) but there HAS to be something unique about you aside from your sexual preference. I think you can dig a little deeper and find something about you personally that is unique besides the people you prefer to be with. You know what I'm saying? To me the question isn't if it is bad to tell them that or not, but I think you can come up with something more personal than that.

 

[yazzman]

Do you enjoy yelling?

You can hear me....LOL

 

[yazzman]

It may have been "clever" in a way, but try to read it from the perspective of a gay person. It comes off as patronizing and ignorant, and it minimizes us as human beings -- basically saying that all we care about is sex, that we don't have a right to feel angry for being treated like second class citizens, and that we should hide who we are.

I understand your fustration, but I do not think a pharmacy interview is a place to confront the issues pertaining to homosexuality. That is what I am trying to say.......

 

[Pharmalated]

I just wanna say that it would be a terrible idea to bring something like that up in an interview. It's far too personal, and in my opinion would be very unprofessional. Its not worth it. You have goods stats. Play off those only!

 

[KUMoose]

To the OP: I'm curious, would you mention this in an interview for a prospective employer? If not, why bring it up here? What differentiates the problems with your family finding out (true friends should never have a problem with that, unless it's a "When Harry Met Sally" moment") and a young lady that marries interacially or breaks some other cardinal family rule? Talk about what those difficulties growing up taught you, not the root cause, it's irrelevant to their evaluation of you as an applicant.

It's been said before and again it can't be stressed enough, that being homosexual (or hetero) is like having blonde hair or freckles and not something that makes you unique.

 

[pharmy614]

Oh, maybe being nearly beaten to death because of one part of who you are? It's kind of like saying what is it about being african american that makes life hard. Regardless, I understand your point, and we have disagreements as to what is considered appropriate, but it's mostly dependent on how one approaches the delivery. Obviously she isn't going to sit there in her essays/interview and flat out say "i'm a lesbian" without any sort of background - like she said, it comes with a story and an important aspect of development. The "what is one of the hardest things you've had to deal with in your life" question is bound to come up in some way or form in an application or interview. My friend had a conservative mormon interviewer at the UCSF medical school and was afraid that she would be discriminated against, but she ended up getting in. I agree it's risky and assumes many ideals - but isn't that the heart of the profession, to stay to and hope for ideals? We're all far too young to be jaded, and change never happens by playing it safe. Detachment may win you points about what isn't said, but what if what is said is rather bland? If the interviewers/admissions committee are prejudiced themselves, then they don't deserve to have you. Forgive the triteness, but it's the journey and truth to one's identity that matters as a professional, and hopefully they will see that.

Please don't compare discrimination of skin color and discrimination of sexual preference as being on the same level. They are not and never will be.

 

[evilolive]

Please don't compare discrimination of skin color and discrimination of sexual preference as being on the same level. They are not and never will be.

I was not intending to offend anyone as the context of the statement referred to the intrinsic difficulty of life in current society. I don't, however, see the logic behind why it is an offensive comparison. Both are due to rationalized prejudice, though one has a longer and more brutally documented history.

Edit: This is probably going to go off topic - PM me and we can discuss it there.

 

[Quiksilver]

why don't we all just hide behind the race card too? Really if you cant come up with a better way that makes you unique maybe you should rethink what you want to do. Not only is it unprofessional to discuss sexual preferences, it may also offend your interviewer. DO NOT use race, religion, sexuality or political affiliation or views in an interview, why would you give someone who is deciding your future a reason to dislike you. And i am not talking in as an elitist, but rather, I don't want anyone shoving their views down my throat, and i dont think patients would like that either. Regardless of someones views on a particular matter, you treat the patient, whether they are like you or not. You must work for the patients benefit. When they ask for a uniqueness, its what is unique about you that makes you right for pharmacy. What trait sets you above the rest to provide excellent pharmaceutical care

 

[nerv12345]

lol you guys need to let this thread go...it's going in circles

 

[yazzman]

lol you guys need to let this thread go...it's going in circles

lololreally uptight "people" ON THIS FORM...AND PS MY CAPS ARE ON SO THAT DOESNT MEAN IM YELLING.........LOL

 

[medicament]

Please don't compare discrimination of skin color and discrimination of sexual preference as being on the same level. They are not and never will be.

Umm, excuse me - but unless you are both a person of color AND homosexual I don't think you can make this comment. How would you know????????????

 

[PointBreak]

yeah ok sure...so whats up guys? how about them patriots...randy moss is a pretty good player 👍. Anyone currently watching the game right now, it's really close.

 

[nerv12345]

i like turtles

 

[PointBreak]

which one is your favorite ninja turtle?

 

[yazzman]

yeah ok sure...so whats up guys? how about them patriots...randy moss is a pretty good player 👍. Anyone currently watching the game right now, it's really close.

BOOOOOO PATRIOTS.....GO RAVENS...I LIKE THE UNDERDOGS..

 

[yazzman]

I'm a heterosexual white male. In my interview, I was waiting for the oppurtunity to bring up the fact that I am sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts. Dealing with this ridicule has taught me to persevere and strive to achieve all of my goals.
Unfortunately, I instead had to talk about my pharmacy and educational experiences, how I manage my time, and why I think pharmacy is for me.😎

😆

 

[PointBreak]

uh oh....looks like the patriots are gonna lose. hahaha

 

[AntiviralsRule]

Please don't compare discrimination of skin color and discrimination of sexual preference as being on the same level. They are not and never will be.

First, a correction is in order. It's not sexual "preference," it's sexual orientation. Preference implies choice, but being gay is not a choice. It's a reality. I didn't wake up one day when I was 13 and say, "Gee, I think I'll be gay. Because, you know, it's so much easier and more socially acceptable than being straight!"

Once you take the issue of choice out of the equation, it's clear that discrimination on the basis of race and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation are VERY similar. No one "chooses" to be black, or white, or brown, or whatever, anymore than a gay person "chooses" to be gay.

That being said, I find nothing more infuriating than people who somehow believe that discrimination against gays is somehow more palatable than discrimination against African Americans, or Asians or Hispanics. It is what it is: discrimination. And if you truly believe in equality and fairness, I don't see how you can hold certain minorities "above" others.

My $0.02. Sorry if this is a just a TAD off topic ;-).

 

[PointBreak]

man...i'm about to discriminate against this damn baltimore ravens! they're bringin it tonight against the patriots 🙁

 

[AntiviralsRule]

I can certainly understand your struggle and being gay can help define you, but mentioning it WILL risk your rejection from a school. You're supposed to avoid risk during an interview and it's beyond me why anyone would potentially doom their interview.

If one of the interviewers happens to disagree with your lifestyle or believed it was unprofessional of you to bring up your sexual preference, they WILL be uncomfortable that you decided to mention it in a professional interview. If I were interviewing you it would be an automatic turn off with a mental note of "wtf was she thinking? How is this relevant to pharmacy or her academics?" And that's the only thing that would stick out in the interview... not your academics, extracurrics or anything.

Good point. I'm not saying that every gay person should go into their interview and proclaim, "I'm gay!" and make that the overriding theme. But if you believe that your sexual orientation is critical to your identity and critical to how you've overcome barriers in your life, than I think it's fair to mention it -- just don't dwell on it. Sure, you might be shooting yourself in the foot but on the other hand you might find a sympathetic ear.

 

[PointBreak]

omg!! touchdown! patriots are back up 27-24....44 seconds left in the game...woot woot! That was like the biggest play of the year hands down! 😀

 

[Quiksilver]

i hate the patriots, i remember back in the golden days we used to beat the ever living snot out of the patriots year after year.... I look back at it and realize that its us who get the pillaging. Its sad to see we are second in the division, but are no where near the patriots and its not even fair

 

[medicament]

First, a correction is in order. It's not sexual "preference," it's sexual orientation. Preference implies choice, but being gay is not a choice. It's a reality. I didn't wake up one day when I was 13 and say, "Gee, I think I'll be gay. Because, you know, it's so much easier and more socially acceptable than being straight!"

Once you take the issue of choice out of the equation, it's clear that discrimination on the basis of race and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation are VERY similar. No one "chooses" to be black, or white, or brown, or whatever, anymore than a gay person "chooses" to be gay.

That being said, I find nothing more infuriating than people who somehow believe that discrimination against gays is somehow more palatable than discrimination against African Americans, or Asians or Hispanics. It is what it is: discrimination. And if you truly believe in equality and fairness, I don't see how you can hold certain minorities "above" others.

My $0.02. Sorry if this is a just a TAD off topic ;-).

EXACTLY.

 

[PointBreak]

yeah it's not fair. Tom Brady is super lucky.....when he wins, he comes home to giselle....and when he loses he still comes home to giselle! damn it's just not fair dude. I think the patriots will go 17-0 and i just want to see my favorite player Randy Moss get a ring.

 

[Knickerbocker]

That being said, I find nothing more infuriating than people who somehow believe that discrimination against gays is somehow more palatable than discrimination against African Americans, or Asians or Hispanics. It is what it is: discrimination. And if you truly believe in equality and fairness, I don't see how you can hold certain minorities "above" others.

My $0.02. Sorry if this is a just a TAD off topic ;-).

People receive discrimination for all sorts of things. I've read some really bad stories about obese people being abused and discriminated against. Also, American society is very biased against people of a rural background. It is perfectly acceptable to call such people rednecks, crackers, and white trash.

Equality and fairness...

 

[Pharmpills]

I wouldn't talk about my sexuality at an interview. Not because there is anything wrong with being homosexual, but because it just doesn't seem like appropriate interview fodder. I am sure there are many other unique things you can talk about with out bringing up something as personal as sexuality.

bravo, well said. exactly what on earth does that have to do with u been a better pharmacist. lets face it MOST of the world dont accept it neither do i but i wont judge someone bc of that. no need to bring it up, why not bring up something u did to help ur community or making a 99 on the pcat or something. gluck

 

[labrat024]

Why not talk about your stuggle to quit doing drugs while going to all those all night rave parties that you met your significant other at. Now thats a tough one....na, I probably wouldn't bring that up either.

 

[howsoonisnow]

To the OP-

Bring up whatever you want in your interview. If you feel strongly that your orientation made you a stronger person, better equipped to handle the struggle of pharmacy school, then by all means mention it. But only if asked. I personally am glad I didn't mention my orientation during my interview. I felt like I had a lot more to offer than just the fact that I was born gay. I am not, however, ashamed of it. I never will be. I am a fantastic person and making me gay was God's gift to me.

A lot of really offensive things have been said on this post. The anonymity of this forum (NOT "FORM" FOR THE RECORD. DID YOU HEAR THAT?) makes it easy for people to say hurtful things. So I'd like to add my 2 cents worth.

1) The OP had a plan for bringing up her sexuality. She was not just planning on offering it with the initial handshake.

2) For the poster who wants to know what is so hard about being gay. Go home today and tell your family that you are gay. Then call all of your friends and tell them that you are gay. Until you have lived one moment in the shoes of a gay person, please don't question the difficulty of our struggle.

3) As for race. You are right. There is no comparison. My best friend growing up had a much harder time telling his mom that he was gay. When he told her he was black, she took it really well.

4) Believe me when I say that it is much more difficult for us to accept being discriminated against than it is for you to accept our sexuality. I'd no sooner take a pill that would make me heterosexual than the hurtful people on this post would take a pill to cure their ignorance.

Getting back to the OPs orignal topic. It's best to spin your sexuality, if you must divulge it in an interview, to how it can help you better serve the healthcare needs of the gay community. It is a vast and wonderful group that needs help just as any other community does.

 

[Knickerbocker]

2) For the poster who wants to know what is so hard about being gay. Go home today and tell your family that you are gay. Then call all of your friends and tell them that you are gay. Until you have lived one moment in the shoes of a gay person, please don't question the difficulty of our struggle.

3) As for race. You are right. There is no comparison. My best friend growing up had a much harder time telling his mom that he was gay. When he told her he was black, she took it really well.

4) Believe me when I say that it is much more difficult for us to accept being discriminated against than it is for you to accept our sexuality. I'd no sooner take a pill that would make me heterosexual than the hurtful people on this post would take a pill to cure their ignorance.

I have a problem with you deciding what struggles in life are the hardest to deal with. Why should race or sexuality be more important than issues that I've faced?

 

[Gwalla]

this is too touchy of a subject to be discussed on a forum such as this......we should keep the topics strictly pharmacy related.......but thats just my opinion......

 

[AntiviralsRule]

Why not talk about your stuggle to quit doing drugs while going to all those all night rave parties that you met your significant other at. Now thats a tough one....na, I probably wouldn't bring that up either.

Nice stereotype there. All gay people are rave-going druggies? Uh, ok, yeah, that's it. 👎

 

[nerv12345]

anyone else noticing all the "gay" ads google are putting on this thread?

big brother is watchinggg!

 

[Marie789]

Let me start by saying, I too am a prepharm lipstick lesbian. I've been reading this forum for a few months now, but never felt the need to post until now. I think that you shoud not mention this in your interview. This thread is an prefect representation of WHY you should not. Unfortunately, this is still a very touchy subject. It's also not something to discuss in an interview.

I debated over this same issue. It's like you want to be out and proud or whatever, but it's hard to know what's appropriate in a professional setting. I work in as a tech now. I am out to many of the people that I work with, but I didn't mention it in my job interview. I just let them find out on my terms when I felt that I knew them well enough.

I know that it's hard and that it can certainly have an impact on your GPA. Well done on that great GPA! If you were to say that you were able to maintain a high GPA being lesbian, it sounds like you are expecting special treatment. But, I know that coming out just after high school had a HUGE impact on my gpa. It's just not something I would expect a straight person to view as an acceptable hardship. That's another reason why I would not bring it up.

Good luck with your interview; just be confident and remember to smile!

 

[pearbeary18]

I just wanted to say that you shouldn't mention this in your interview. I took an interviewing class, and this is one of the topics not to be mentioned. There are laws saying that as the interviewee, if the interviewer asks you a question on your sexual orientation, you have the right to refuse to give them an answer (tactfully, of course).

I think you should just say you went through a personal issue, how your parents/family/friends reacted to it, and how you persevered through it and still managed to have a great GPA. Just always assume the adcom & your interviewer is hyper-conservative.

 

[Pharmpills]

Fact: No one is born gay
Fact: Race is not a choice
Fact: Sexual orientation is a choice, birth defects exempted

I dont care what u say but thats 100% true. If u are gay then so be it i dont give a damn but learn not to deny those facts bc it pisses me off. mentioning ur gay will most likely hurt bc they are ppl too and like most of society they dont accept it. i mean they will "act" as though its ok but deep down its not to most ppl. Bringing it up will most likely hurt u. gluck

 

[Pharmcdc]

First, a correction is in order. It's not sexual "preference," it's sexual orientation. Preference implies choice, but being gay is not a choice. It's a reality. I didn't wake up one day when I was 13 and say, "Gee, I think I'll be gay. Because, you know, it's so much easier and more socially acceptable than being straight!"

Once you take the issue of choice out of the equation, it's clear that discrimination on the basis of race and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation are VERY similar. No one "chooses" to be black, or white, or brown, or whatever, anymore than a gay person "chooses" to be gay.

That being said, I find nothing more infuriating than people who somehow believe that discrimination against gays is somehow more palatable than discrimination against African Americans, or Asians or Hispanics. It is what it is: discrimination. And if you truly believe in equality and fairness, I don't see how you can hold certain minorities "above" others.

My $0.02. Sorry if this is a just a TAD off topic ;-).

Sorry, but I know a some individuals who where gay and are not anymore. I guess one day they woke up and said "I dont want to be gay anymore", well in a sense they did. I dont know a single person who woke up and said "I dont want to be chinese, hispanic, causcasian, black (Micheal Jackson does not count) or any other race anymore and was able to change. Nor can a person with a certain ethnicity hide the fact that they are whatever race they are. There is absolutlely no choice in wether or not people who are racists will descriminate against you because that decision has nothing to do with the person who is on the receiveing end. You have the option of stating if your gay or not. Sorry, but there is no comparison. Gay is what it is, call it what you want, some say a choice, some believe people are born that way. I dont believe there will ever be a definitve answer, especially when people can "change" their mind about their preference even if you say that you can't. As others have said, an interview is not the place to bring up something that can be viewed as controvesy, but that again is a choice that must be made individually.

 

[howsoonisnow]

Fact: I was born gay
Fact: Everyone who is gay (truly gay) will tell you the same
Fact: If given a choice about my sexual ORIENTATION which I, like you, am not it is difficult to say what I'd do. Nobody chooses to be persecuted by idiots like the heterosexual person who claims to "know" that it's a choice. You were not born ignorant. That is your choice. And the result of your lineage. You were taught to believe that being gay is wrong and that people who are gay choose to be that way.

And, for the record, I am not calling all heterosexual people idiots. Most of my friends are heterosexual. They are enlightened enough to know that I did not choose my sexuality. And kind enough to love me, not despite my sexuality, but because it is only a part of who I am. They love that part of me as much as they love the rest.

If my telling you that I was born gay "pisses you off" imagine how pissed I am to be told my feelings are not valid. But you don't really care how I feel, I'm sure. You have a lot of growing up to do.

 

[howsoonisnow]

Oh, and pharmpills. I was wondering if you could tell me at what point in your life you arbitrarily chose to be heterosexual. If it is after all a choice, you must have been faced with that decision. Did you decide to give up on a special man in your life and to turn away from those feelings to be with women instead?

I mean, I suppose no one is born straight either, right?

 

[nerv12345]

oh great...we've begun to introduce the philosophical debate of whether sexual orientation is genetically predisposed or it's a choice..
i'm going to sit back and watch this thread flare up to 5 pages in the next day or two 🙄

edit: for the record, i believe that sexual orientation is genetically predisposed. but that's just my opinion i don't want to fuel the fire

 

[Pharmcdc]

Fact: I was born gay
Fact: Everyone who is gay (truly gay) will tell you the same
Fact: If given a choice about my sexual ORIENTATION which I, like you, am not it is difficult to say what I'd do. Nobody chooses to be persecuted by idiots like the heterosexual person who claims to "know" that it's a choice. You were not born ignorant. That is your choice. And the result of your lineage. You were taught to believe that being gay is wrong and that people who are gay choose to be that way.

And, for the record, I am not calling all heterosexual people idiots. Most of my friends are heterosexual. They are enlightened enough to know that I did not choose my sexuality. And kind enough to love me, not despite my sexuality, but because it is only a part of who I am. They love that part of me as much as they love the rest.

If my telling you that I was born gay "pisses you off" imagine how pissed I am to be told my feelings are not valid. But you don't really care how I feel, I'm sure. You have a lot of growing up to do.

Nothing is a Fact that cannot be proven irefutable. It seems that you are the one who is pissed off not me. (if this was directed towards me) I never stated that what I said is a "Fact" because each side is flawed. However, I stated what I "believe" just as you have. My arguement is not only based on conjecture, but I also have personal examples of people I know who were gay and are not anymore and your counter for this is to say that some people are "truly" gay. So what are the rules for someone being "truly" gay or just a pretender. I dont dislike people who are gay. People who know me that are gay (including classmates) do not get treated any better or worse than a heterosexual, because people are people. My personal convictions, beliefs, or whatever you want to call them are my own just as yours are. I have not attacked you, you have accused and attacked me. This was not even the point of my posting.

My post was to illustrate the fact that sexual preference, ok, "orietation" is not the same as racism simply because being "born" of a certain race is not controvesial. The color of ones skin is not, and cannot be "decided" and there is no argument if it can be. I dont agree with ANYONE being discriminated against, but people can live their life as a gay individual and "choose" not to tell the world, and not have to deal with possible discrimintation. So its not the same as racism.

 

[Knickerbocker]

oh great...we've begun to introduce the philosophical debate of whether sexual orientation is genetically predisposed or it's a choice..
i'm going to sit back and watch this thread flare up to 5 pages in the next day or two 🙄

edit: for the record, i believe that sexual orientation is genetically predisposed. but that's just my opinion i don't want to fuel the fire

This thread will be closed long before that (which is probably a good thing).

At least the topic creator got several opinions from a variety of people before this thread became a train wreck.