"How a CRNA-led anesthesia group plans to grow: 5 key notes"

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What's a conversion factor?

 

[Lurch]

What's a conversion factor?

$/unit.

 

[pgg]

What's the pay cut folks are willing to take to be in a physician only practice? There's no way you can come close $ wise even working your butt of vs supervising 4 rooms.

That's OK. I have no desire to supervise 4 rooms, and I have good reasons to believe that no matter what happens to the world of anesthessia, I'll probably never need to take a job where I have to.

Honestly, somewhere up around #1 or #2 on my future job priority list, is "no responsibility for what a midlevel does" ...

When the time comes, I will look at the positions available that meet that criteria, pick one, and then somehow fit my life around not spending more $ than I get paid at that position.

 

[deleted697535]

Can someone explain to me what main issue with crnas is? We don't have anything like them

 

[Mman]

Can someone explain to me what main issue with crnas is? We don't have anything like them

the main issue is that their national organization thinks they are just as good as anesthesiologists and don't need to be directed/supervised. The percentage of CRNAs that agree with that viewpoint depends on who you ask and where you work.

 

[FollowTheMoney]

the main issue is that their national organization thinks they are just as good as anesthesiologists and don't need to be directed/supervised. The percentage of CRNAs that agree with that viewpoint depends on who you ask and where you work.

Get AAs licensed in all 50 states and fire every CRNA in the U.S. and you can show them how expendable they are in 5 minutes. Just ask the Houston Medical Center.

 

[jthedestroyr]

Get AAs licensed in all 50 states and fire every CRNA in the U.S. and you can show them how expendable they are in 5 minutes. Just ask the Houston Medical Center.

Easier said then done. If you think crna come out strong those independence bills, you should see them mount AA oppositions. Full propaganda machine in effect (flyers, calling banks, mailings) then when they testify at the committee meetings, you'd want to vomit at how big of lies they tell.

But, I agree, we need to push for AAs as they're under the medical board.

 

[Man o War]

Get AAs licensed in all 50 states and fire every CRNA in the U.S. and you can show them how expendable they are in 5 minutes. Just ask the Houston Medical Center.

What happened at Houston medical center?

 

[Mman]

Get AAs licensed in all 50 states and fire every CRNA in the U.S. and you can show them how expendable they are in 5 minutes. Just ask the Houston Medical Center.

how many years at current rate would it take to train enough AAs to replace every CRNA in the country? hundreds? I mean I think they graduate about 200 people per year. Getting AAs licensed in a state doesn't do anything if you average a few hundred graduates per year when there are like 40,000 CRNAs.

 

[FollowTheMoney]

how many years at current rate would it take to train enough AAs to replace every CRNA in the country? hundreds? I mean I think they graduate about 200 people per year. Getting AAs licensed in a state doesn't do anything if you average a few hundred graduates per year when there are like 40,000 CRNAs.

It only takes 24 months to train an AA so it's just a matter of enough schools and big enough classes. It's not that complicated... and they know they can be replaced in 5 seconds which is why they are fighting against legalizing AAs in all 50 states. They are expendable and the fact that they wanted to bite the hand that was feeding them is going to backfire. It's just a matter of time.

 

[FollowTheMoney]

What happened at Houston medical center?

The Texas Medical Center replaced all the CRNAs with AAs.

 

[kidthor]

The Texas Medical Center replaced all the CRNAs with AAs.

Did they explain why?

 

[Mman]

It only takes 24 months to train an AA so it's just a matter of enough schools and big enough classes. It's not that complicated... and they know they can be replaced in 5 seconds which is why they are fighting against legalizing AAs in all 50 states. They are expendable and the fact that they wanted to bite the hand that was feeding them is going to backfire. It's just a matter of time.

You act like it's not complicated. Can you even fathom how you'd go about opening 200 new AA schools and getting them all accredited and up and running? And getting students applying to them and what not?

I like AAs. We employ some. I support their numbers growing. But it's a decades long type endeavor. You can't just say hey let's get them legal in every state and then fire every CRNA. That's rah rah talk, not an actual plan. Who employs every CRNA out there? Dozens of different types of entities and many of them don't want to fire their CRNAs. You can't force them to.

 

[Man o War]

The Texas Medical Center replaced all the CRNAs with AAs.

Love it.
There's a lot of hand wringing on this board about the future of anesthesiologists, I would be much more concerned if I was a CRNA. First of all, they're churning out new CRNAs at too high of a pace and the quality is suffering. They are limited in what they can do, unlike anesthesiologists.
Then you have AAs, who I believe will gain more of a foothold in the future.
I guess we will see.

 

[Psai]

Did they explain why?

Because crnas aren't very good and have a huge chip on their shoulder which makes it hard to work with them

 

[nycitygas]

The Texas Medical Center replaced all the CRNAs with AAs.

That isn't true. One hospital is mostly AA but the rest are 100% CRNA or resident run.