Depends on how your school lists the remediation. If it doesn't stick out on transcript, no one will notice. That said a C never looks good tho.
You are correct, especially when you end up remediating you realize how ridiculous a strategy it is to try and ''just' go for the 70. I have always recommended shooting for an 80 or above before taking the foot off the gas.
I asked my Dean this question last week and he indicated it will be documented in your Dean's Letter,(MSPE). This is a red flag and you will get screened by many programs. My sons FM residency got 2,000+ applications for 7 slots. Why would a program take a chance when they dont have to?
Over OMM? A lot of PDs dont even know what OMM is. I doubt one PR on a transcript in class that no one cares about would make a huge difference
Flunking the class that distinguishes you from an MD? MDs dont know what or how extensive your OMM class is. I sat on a resident selection committee and I can tell you that any failure is a red flag and will be questioned. It would be a mistake to think it's no big deal. Applicant numbers are going through the roof.
Whatever you say man
Whatever you say man.....says the med student to the faculty member with nearly 30 yrs in medical education. Oh, I'm sure it's possible to match somewhere in something with a course failure and remediation on your MSPE. My school lists them. I would not recommend a failure as I guarantee it will be asked during the interview. Health problems, family crisis, other explanations will be helpful to your cause. Programs are looking for a good fit to their program. Hard worker, approachable, kind, works well with others, and being able to pass specialty boards, are all important. If you have a failure, this may be considered a risk to not passing specialty boards. This statistic is VERY important to programs. If you have a failure, I would audition and lobby hard at your first choice and plan B programs. Good luck and best wishes, Man.
It actually takes some talent to fail an OMM class, even with the very subjective grading schema by the Faculty.
I think we need to be a bit more specific with reasoning. A failure (i.e. a course that you did not pass remediation) is definitely a red flag. A course that you remediate, may or may not be a red flag depending on how your school lists it and what course it is. I disagree with lumping someone who failed (i.e. did not pass remediation and/or was ineligible due to extremely low scores) in with someone who remediated. One of those students is much more concerning than the other.
Point taken. My school will list the course failure and the successful remediation. Some dont, as you correctly point out. I think many programs would want some answers to a remediated course. My former program would. Applicants with no failures, or remediatioms are not scarce. What is the old saw on SDN about the best predictor of board scores? Pre clinical grades?
Ok. I accept your opinion. What facts do you base it on? I dont agree that I am uninformed. I stand by my assertion that any failure or remediation will be questioned, especially in competetive specialties and programs. There is no shortage of applicants who have passed all their courses and done well on the boards. If I appear misguided or uninformed, I welcome any information you might provide.
You are coming off in a way where these applicants are going to be instantly screened out because of a single course failure (my apologies if I am not interpreting correctly). This is not true, unless we are talking about competitive specialties/programs. Somebody who failed one course in the first semester of medical school, who then goes on to obtain a 3.0+ GPA, does well on the boards, does well in rotations, shows that the student moved on and improved from the failure (which is what OP can do). And in a situation like this, it would probably not even be brought up in residency interviews. In fact, I've read numerous accounts on this site from applicants who failed courses early on, and it was literally never spoken of during interviews. Course failures are NOT anywhere near the same level as board failures when it comes to screening out applicants.
Agreed.
I'm not coming off in a way that an applicant will be screened for a remediation. Never said that. I'm saying it will be questioned, as I said earlier. Is there an explanation? Did the student have mono? Family crisis? Course failures and remediation present red flags at many programs. There are many more applicants this year than last, and there will be more next year. Thinking a remediation is no big deal if everything else is ok I believe is risky. Over 2 000 applications to my son's FM residency for 7 spots this year is why I have taken this position. What happened 2 or 3yrs ago to people who matched on SDN is ancient history.
Offering realistic advice = projecting insecurities because it's helping clarify reality? Getting the most accurate information out there is most important, even if it's the statement of a faculty member that needs expansion.
Do think that maybe, just maybe, that the Faculty have an edge in the knowledge base because we actually see what happens to our students?
I'm not looking to get into a fight with anyone. It's my advice, which I explained and stand by. Since it's free on an anonymous forum, well, you get what you pay for. I'm trying to sound the alarm about increasing numbers of applicants. PDs will be looking at applicants this year more closely than before because they will have to. Any red flags will be noticed. How others matched recently is ancient history with the extra apps this year. If you think I'm full of it, it's ok. I'm not offended.
Course failures and remediation are more common than I think? Wow. I would think it would only be in the 5 to 10 percent range at most. I admit I dont follow our schools number of failures and remediations that closely.
At my school, courses failures are RARE. Maybe 2-4%, tops. And these are almost always in our systems based courses, not OMM/OMT or the Clinical Medicine course. People who fail the latter two have global deficits and tend to withdraw or get dismissed.
