How BS are ranking sites?

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Firephoenix938

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Genuine questions? Like some of these schools don't seem to be as low-ranked as they are. Besides your T20s that are clearly known, how accurate are these rankings? Like how is NEOMED with a 514 MCAT avg, and a completely refreshed curriculum, renovated school, and new programs ranked 130 on admit and low on US News? I personally do not give a crap about rankings because they all provide a quality and accredited medical education, but it seems like a lot of people care a ton about med school rankings.
 
Genuine questions? Like some of these schools don't seem to be as low-ranked as they are. Besides your T20s that are clearly known, how accurate are these rankings? Like how is NEOMED with a 514 MCAT avg, and a completely refreshed curriculum, renovated school, and new programs ranked 130 on admit and low on US News? I personally do not give a crap about rankings because they all provide a quality and accredited medical education, but it seems like a lot of people care a ton about med school rankings.
mostly your parents.
Don't waste your time
 
My sibling and I were having this discussion at one point. He goes to a for profit allopathic school and there are a ton of investors in our area that are looking to get a piece of the pie. One selling point is that the school appears to be competitive by pulling up its “numbers” (MCAT/GPA) each year. But how strong that applicant truly is when they applied to T20 is unknown. My sibling thinks a few people were admitted with really high stats and mid ECs to pull up the median numbers so that it seems like a competitive school.

At the end of the day, the #1 ranked school is the one that chooses you!
 
Rankings don’t really matter; prestige does, and prestige is basically a proxy for wealth. Because of that, it feels tacky to identify with it outright, which is why people react so negatively when the subject comes up, especially when it’s reduced to rankings.

Wanting the best of something is just human nature. If you’re pursuing a terminal degree in medicine, it makes sense to want to attend the best schools available. Nobody is actually choosing Podunk U over Harvard out of pure indifference to prestige. The reality is that if top schools were open to everyone, they would stop being prestigious by definition. Exclusivity is what sustains their social power.

After watching these forums quietly for the better part of a decade, what stands out to me is that chasing prestige often feels like chasing the idea of being a billionaire: aspirational, but mostly empty. The admissions process is not only opaque but also, even under ideal fairness, stacked against nearly everyone. The odds are vanishingly small before you even factor in legacy admissions and the way holistic review quietly rewards wealth. So for 99% of applicants, it’s effectively a lost cause.

I think a lot of the anti-prestige rhetoric you see is just a reaction formation... wanting more status and opportunity isn’t “objectively bad.” The tricky part is that prestige isn’t evenly distributed: there are the truly elite schools, the ones orbiting them, and then layers beyond that. But the farther you move down that ladder, the less the “prestige” label actually matters, because resources are so heavily concentrated at the top.

In the end, the genuinely elite schools don’t need rankings. They’ve already set themselves apart, and everyone knows exactly who they are.
 
When you get into the rankings and look closely, there is bias in terms of what factors are selected that boost a school's score. This mostly comes down to research in the end, not really anything due to a "better education" as most applicants think. Step scores are not significantly different between programs, indicating the prestige for these programs is socially constructed. The only real upside is diverse research opportunities if that is something an applicant is interested in.
 
Rankings don’t really matter; prestige does, and prestige is basically a proxy for wealth. Because of that, it feels tacky to identify with it outright, which is why people react so negatively when the subject comes up, especially when it’s reduced to rankings.

Wanting the best of something is just human nature. If you’re pursuing a terminal degree in medicine, it makes sense to want to attend the best schools available. Nobody is actually choosing Podunk U over Harvard out of pure indifference to prestige. The reality is that if top schools were open to everyone, they would stop being prestigious by definition. Exclusivity is what sustains their social power.

After watching these forums quietly for the better part of a decade, what stands out to me is that chasing prestige often feels like chasing the idea of being a billionaire: aspirational, but mostly empty. The admissions process is not only opaque but also, even under ideal fairness, stacked against nearly everyone. The odds are vanishingly small before you even factor in legacy admissions and the way holistic review quietly rewards wealth. So for 99% of applicants, it’s effectively a lost cause.

I think a lot of the anti-prestige rhetoric you see is just a reaction formation... wanting more status and opportunity isn’t “objectively bad.” The tricky part is that prestige isn’t evenly distributed: there are the truly elite schools, the ones orbiting them, and then layers beyond that. But the farther you move down that ladder, the less the “prestige” label actually matters, because resources are so heavily concentrated at the top.

In the end, the genuinely elite schools don’t need rankings. They’ve already set themselves apart, and everyone knows exactly who they are.

YEAAA! Ross University, St. George's University, AUC, and that university Mason Philcrackpot recruits for >>> wannabe Harvard med
 
When you get into the rankings and look closely, there is bias in terms of what factors are selected that boost a school's score. This mostly comes down to research in the end, not really anything due to a "better education" as most applicants think. Step scores are not significantly different between programs, indicating the prestige for these programs is socially constructed. The only real upside is diverse research opportunities if that is something an applicant is interested in.

It's fair to say that. And honestly, I think most medical students are using online resources over their lectures and other resources on campus at a very wide array of schools. But even that is unequal... I think the more prestigious the school, the more faculty and staff are devoted to ensuring you are successful. Ultimately, the more successful their students, the more their prestige reinforces itself and their effort justified. So I think Harvard students are attending their lectures (I think they're mandatory there anyway).

It's an unfair, brutal truth that money is money is money. You can get by with less of it, but it's always better to have more.

That simple aphorism absolutely guides behavior at the top.
 
Ranking is a very good thing for a lot of people especially for those who don’t know where to start. But, IMO it should done purely based on objective criteria like “Average MCAT of the matriculants”. Otherwise it has no value at all.
 
Ranking is a very good thing for a lot of people especially for those who don’t know where to start. But, IMO it should done purely based on objective criteria like “Average MCAT of the matriculants”. Otherwise it has no value at all.
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Ranking is a very good thing for a lot of people especially for those who don’t know where to start. But, IMO it should done purely based on objective criteria like “Average MCAT of the matriculants”. Otherwise it has no value at all.
I would look at the endowment to tuition ratio...
 
Genuine questions? Like some of these schools don't seem to be as low-ranked as they are. Besides your T20s that are clearly known, how accurate are these rankings? Like how is NEOMED with a 514 MCAT avg, and a completely refreshed curriculum, renovated school, and new programs ranked 130 on admit and low on US News? I personally do not give a crap about rankings because they all provide a quality and accredited medical education, but it seems like a lot of people care a ton about med school rankings.
I want to remind you that although Admit.org is a useful tool for building school lists and staying up to date on the cycle, it was created by a premed Reddit user only a couple of years ago. The overall ranking supposedly considers research, program director rankings, match outcomes, and MCAT/GPA, however we have no reliable way to know how those factors are weighted, where the data come from, or how accurate the ranking is. There isn’t a universally accepted "official" ranking of medical schools at all anymore, since USNWR (which some refer to as "US Snooze and Worst Report") no longer does this and many medical schools have opted out from its new tiered system.
 
I want to remind you that although Admit.org is a useful tool for building school lists and staying up to date on the cycle, it was created by a premed Reddit user only a couple of years ago. The overall ranking supposedly considers research, program director rankings, match outcomes, and MCAT/GPA, however we have no reliable way to know how those factors are weighted, where the data come from, or how accurate the ranking is. There isn’t a universally accepted "official" ranking of medical schools at all anymore, since USNWR (which some refer to as "US Snooze and Worst Report") no longer does this and many medical schools have opted out from its new tiered system.
Well then why do y’all keep referring to it???
 
Once I realized the nature of the website after making my initial school list last year, I avoided doing so. I also learned just how little such "rankings" make a difference when it comes down to it all, much like is discussed above.
All publicity is good publicity
If y’all don’t find it valid, valuable, or useful, stop giving it air
 
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