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Will it happen? Probably not …CAN it happen…absolutely.
They let go of a class of residents…they get locums/per diem hospitalists to work for a few months until they interview new candidates and restart the residency.
Or they dissolve the residency, hire a bunch of NPs and do without a teaching service .
Residents aren’t indispensable…they’re are far more hospital systems out there that run without residents…
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I don't really see the point of talking about theoretical scenarios. Anyway, at this point I am convinced unions work and no amount of trumpeting for the other side will change my mind.
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This comes up every so often and if I remember correctly there are some scenarios when being part of a resident union can be helpful but overall the effects seem to be minimal.
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If you have something objective I can look at to support that I would be happy to.
Not sure what counts as objective, but here's what I found with a quick search.
Unionization in Residency
Worth a read https://www.wsj.com/articles/medical-residents-unionize-over-pay-working-conditions-11673832067?mod=mhp Inflation and worker shortage are two reasons of many motivating residents to unionize. The article talks about unionization efforts happening at Stanford Thoughts?
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Residency Unions- Are they helpful or detrimental to the residency experience
Was wondering what kind of experience that those of you who are part of residency union have? What are the positives and negatives. There is an opinion piece that was written called The Fault in Our Systems- On Physician Unions. Do you think it has any interesting points? Any thoughts?
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Not sure what counts as objective, but here's what I found with a quick search.
Unionization in Residency
Worth a read https://www.wsj.com/articles/medical-residents-unionize-over-pay-working-conditions-11673832067?mod=mhp Inflation and worker shortage are two reasons of many motivating residents to unionize. The article talks about unionization efforts happening at Stanford Thoughts?
Residency Unions- Are they helpful or detrimental to the residency experience
Was wondering what kind of experience that those of you who are part of residency union have? What are the positives and negatives. There is an opinion piece that was written called The Fault in Our Systems- On Physician Unions. Do you think it has any interesting points? Any thoughts?
Overall it seems like there is a lot of speculation from people without direct knowledge or experience. There are also stories online of the successes of resident unionization. As residents are a vulnerable group, I'm going to continue to support the idea. The only drawbacks seem to be for hospitals, for example their profits. Furthermore, another benefit of happier and healthier residents would be improved patient care.
Tell me you didn't actually read the threads I linked....
Unionization in Residency
Worth a read https://www.wsj.com/articles/medical-residents-unionize-over-pay-working-conditions-11673832067?mod=mhp Inflation and worker shortage are two reasons of many motivating residents to unionize. The article talks about unionization efforts happening at Stanford Thoughts?
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I thought you didn’t want to talk about theoreticals… 🤷🏽♀️
The plural of anecdotal is not data…
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I'm sorry if you're being clever, but isn't the phrase anecdotal?
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I don't. I'm only replying because other people are. Ultimately it is each residency group who has to decide whether to unionize.
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Tell me you didn't actually read the threads I linked....
Unionization in Residency
Worth a read https://www.wsj.com/articles/medical-residents-unionize-over-pay-working-conditions-11673832067?mod=mhp Inflation and worker shortage are two reasons of many motivating residents to unionize. The article talks about unionization efforts happening at Stanford Thoughts?
I looked at them.
Autocorrect…sorry
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There's been a lot of eye-rolling around here. If you have any substantive responses instead that would be more credible.
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the4n just let the thread die already...we have given you our opinion.
I was part of a union as a fellow. In theory I benefited a lot as our salaries were all increased by a good amount,.
However I believe they were frozen for a few years while the union thing was getting started... So I'm not really sure that really helped us all that much, since resident salaries are typically increased $1-2k/year anyway.
Residents have far more avenues for lodging complaints than many other workers. I get a lot of people feel residents are vulnerable because our PD could threaten not to renew our contract and we'd be left with a lot of debt, but that's not any different stress-wise than a primary breadwinner of a household at a job they also can't afford to lose because they have mortgage/rent payments and a whole family to support. Far more of our training results in a paper trail than most other workers as well.
If you've never been laid off, you don't really get how it sucks regardless of the situation. (Speaking of which, when I did get laid off, prior to med school, I was part of a union and they were of zero help. "Well, I guess they eliminated your position and you've been here less than 6 months (5.5 months to be exact), so there's not anything we can do..." It was lousy timing --since I was going to start medical school a few months later, no one wanted to hire me for a job I was just going to leave.
I see some benefits to unions. But I see plenty of drawbacks. Seems like a zero sum game to me. Work for someone who respects you. And respect them back.
However I believe they were frozen for a few years while the union thing was getting started... So I'm not really sure that really helped us all that much, since resident salaries are typically increased $1-2k/year anyway.
Residents have far more avenues for lodging complaints than many other workers. I get a lot of people feel residents are vulnerable because our PD could threaten not to renew our contract and we'd be left with a lot of debt, but that's not any different stress-wise than a primary breadwinner of a household at a job they also can't afford to lose because they have mortgage/rent payments and a whole family to support. Far more of our training results in a paper trail than most other workers as well.
If you've never been laid off, you don't really get how it sucks regardless of the situation. (Speaking of which, when I did get laid off, prior to med school, I was part of a union and they were of zero help. "Well, I guess they eliminated your position and you've been here less than 6 months (5.5 months to be exact), so there's not anything we can do..." It was lousy timing --since I was going to start medical school a few months later, no one wanted to hire me for a job I was just going to leave.
I see some benefits to unions. But I see plenty of drawbacks. Seems like a zero sum game to me. Work for someone who respects you. And respect them back.
