how competitive is it for an OOS at Cornell?

[coralfangs]

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just wondering
i've been thinking about doing a vet instead of md (not that i'm not competitive for a top MD school, it's just that i've always wanted to work with animals)

 

[kate_g]

(not that i'm not competitive for a top MD school, it's just that i've always wanted to work with animals)

If you're so smart, then I probably don't even need to tell you to check the admissions stats on Cornell's web page, the VMCAS site, or VMSAR.

(I don't have the energy right now to look up your past posts and see if maybe you're just a troll. I kind of hope not, actually, because it would be pretty funny if you're sincerely asking such a simple question with such a cocky attitude. 🙂 )

 

[coralfangs]

see, the stats on the cornell page are for overall accepted student body,
i am asking about OOS
it's quite different, girl, thanks for mentioning about the cornell page
and i am not familiar with the admission process with vet schools, and i don't think it's unreasonable to ask about 1 school on the forum saving that $20+S/H, i just finished with most of my med school app and now i am ready to do my vet app.....

for some med schools, they have basically significantly fewer seats for OOS
i was just wondering if it's the same situation with cornell vet
and i thank you for pointing out about vmcas, it does help, see was it THAT hard to be less of a bitch?

what's a cocky attitude?
most people would think that someone applying for both MD and DVM is a loser for not getting accepted to MD in the first place
i just dont want some jerks in this forum commenting on the fact that i am actually also applying for MD and thinking that i am losery enough (not that i think less of vet, but trust me, there are some who do, eg. people in my lab scorned me after hearing about my interest in vet)

 

[VelcroSky]

Oh boy, here we go again.

 

[pressmom]

Cornell has 30 out of 86 spots for OOS. For the 05-06 application cycle, they had 556 applicants for those seats, but there has been an upward trend in # of applicants. The avg pre-vet GPA across all applicants was 3.73, but usually you need higher for OOS.

 

[Angelo84]

Yes it is hard to get into cornell for out of state students. For some perspective I was put on the alternate list this past year and then later offered a seat at Cornell. My stats were as follows 3.948 GPA, 580V, 740Q, 5A, with 3000 hours at a small animal vet, 100 hours at a large animal vet and with a behaviorist, 250 hours working at a zoo and some field work with guanacos in Patagonia and work with leatherback sea turtles in Costa Rica. So I feel like I had pretty good stats and a wide variety of experience and applied to several schools. In the end I decided on going to Tufts over Cornell, UPenn, Purdue and Ohio. I would check out schools other than cornell that you might like to go to. It is unwise to only apply to one school especially if it is Cornell and you are out of state. Figure out what you like about Cornell and try to find it in other schools as well. That all being said the application pool for each year is different.

Also given that you applied to MD schools have you taken the GRE? Many vet schools will not accept the MCAT.

 

[Rebeki]

I'm not trying to sound offensive but you did make it sound as if vet school wasn't as good as med school. Kind of like "well, now that I'm done with my MD apps, maybe I'll try the vet school app just for the heck of it." You can see how this attitude might offend people who are serious about vet med and may have tried more than once to get into vet school. I going to believe that wasn't your intention. You sound like you need to educate yourself a lot more on the admissions process for vet school.

Also, what is losery?

 

[kate_g]

what's a cocky attitude?

It's when you say things like "not that I'm not competitive for a top MD school, but..." and then ask only about Cornell, which smacks of putting too much faith in the US News rankings.

Since you seem to be serious, my apologies for brushing you off earlier. You should realize that many people who would be competitive at a top MD school do not get into vet school on their first try. It's not just that the odds are against you (relatively more applicants:seats vs. med school) and that there's no "lower tier" of safety/fallback schools. It's also just a very different game. In general you need much more practical and hands-on experience than seems to be expected of a med school applicant. You need to have worked or volunteered pretty extensively in a veterinary setting, and you need letters of recommendation from veterinarians. For Cornell, you'll need a letter of recommendation from every single experience you want to list on the application and count toward your experience hours. If you're still saying that you're unfamiliar with the vet application process at this point, then you may find that there are some ducks you won't be able to get into your row by October.

i just dont want some jerks in this forum commenting on the fact that i am actually also applying for MD

Had you read the forum a little before posting, I think you'd see that there really aren't any jerks here. Actually there have been several people on this forum in the past who were undecided between veterinary and human medicine, and applied to both. I don't think any of them got flamed for it. Then again, none of them bragged unnecessarily about their qualifications or used "I've always wanted to work with animals" as a reason for their interest.

Oh, and...

saving that $20+S/H

Dude, that's what Barnes & Noble is for. Resourcefulness is an important quality for both human and veterinary medicine... 😉

 

[coralfangs]

true
haha i appologize for that, i was just being careful, you have no idea how many those jerks are around hospitals

it's just that i recently got the "go" for vet school from my grandparent who will be paying for my tuition, so i am just starting to look into vet school, cornell popped up as the first school because i know several vet who graduated from cornell

and ya i took the gre for my current graduate program, and i hated the gre test

 

[nyanko]

Since you seem to have ignored what kate said about needing veterinary experience, I'll reiterate - you will not get into Cornell (or any vet school really) without veterinary experience and letters of recommendation from veterinarians. If you are just deciding to apply to vet school on a whim without this experience, you might as well not waste your $130 on applying in the first place because you won't get in.

 

[Serendipity4]

Sadly, what Nyanko said might well be right. While you honestly might have always considered vet med -- but people in your life have encouraged you to focus on human medicine -- it's likely the vet schools who would review your application wouldn't give this much consideration. If you don't have any vet experience, my personal opinion is that it'll be next to impossible to get in anywhere, and no less than that at Cornell. That said, if this is something you're sincerely interested in then it might be worth it to spend a year building up as much experience in the vet field as you can and reapplying next year. Do what you're passionate about. Good luck with whatever you decide!

 

[cyrille104]

That's not sad at all. It's a GOOD thing that any random person can't just fill out the vet app as an afterthought and get in. According to past posts, the OP has a ~3.72 GPA, hated the GRE, and has no experience. Cornell requires 3.73 as an average for both in and out of state, great GRE, and thousands of hours of experience. And let's be serious, the schools know when you apply to med school too. So don't you all worry, if there's one good thing that comes from such a rigorous admissions process, it's that it keeps these people out.

 

[Emio]

who is sonic youth?

 

[VelcroSky]

who is sonic youth?

Ugh! You kids these days don't know what you're missing with all the current cookie cutter bands. 😛

 

[Emio]

lol, i figured it was something along those lines 😉

 

[KittenKiller]

Ugh! You kids these days don't know what you're missing with all the current cookie cutter bands. 😛

<3 Sonic Youth...though I didnt discover them till the late 90s. They still dont sound dated in the least today. I noticed you're from Westchester. I grew up in New Rochelle, where is Westchester?

 

[VelcroSky]

<3 Sonic Youth...though I didnt discover them till the late 90s. They still dont sound dated in the least today. I noticed you're from Westchester. I grew up in New Rochelle, where is Westchester?

I'm in Yonkers and now a little nervous to know that the kitty serial killer is from so nearby. I'll have to paint my cats black with a white stripe, a la Pepe Le Pew, to disguise them.

 

[Pennvet]

That's not sad at all. It's a GOOD thing that any random person can't just fill out the vet app as an afterthought and get in. According to past posts, the OP has a ~3.72 GPA, hated the GRE, and has no experience. Cornell requires 3.73 as an average for both in and out of state, great GRE, and thousands of hours of experience. And let's be serious, the schools know when you apply to med school too. So don't you all worry, if there's one good thing that comes from such a rigorous admissions process, it's that it keeps these people out.

Cyrille,

Your tone surprised me. You post A LOT, and this is the first one that I have seen that isn't completely supportive of the poster. Don't get me wrong, I have seen you support more than a few that I would not have, but your response is still unexpected. Maybe it's because you have built up such a repoire w. the regulars that you feel the urge to defend them. I guess I would, too.

Regardless, there are a lot of pretentious and pompous pre-professionals (I know, I know; Al Sharpton )and they do need to be brought back down to earth sometimes. I am always happy when the opportunity arises (such as in this case) to do so in a positive way.

So Coral:

You are smart! You are competetive! You can do it!

(so long as you can afford to live on 10$/hr vet. tech. wages for at least 6 months, it's not fun.)



And where did Sonic Youth come into the topic? I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one here with a superior taste in music.

(how ya' like that for pretentious?)

 

[Emio]

Cyrille,

Your tone surprised me. You post A LOT, and this is the first one that I have seen that isn't completely supportive of the poster.

are you serious?

And where did Sonic Youth come into the topic? I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one here with a superior taste in music.

(how ya' like that for pretentious?)

the OP's sig... i was half kidding, i don't really care who they are, as i've never heard of them. howeva, as such, i highly doubt they are superior to the bands to which I listen.

😉

 

[ri23]

are you serious?

Though it will certainly be looked on negatively that the OP is applying to med school, having a 3.72 gpa when the average is 3.73 is not terrible. Granted, if you don't have any veterinary or research experience you don't really have a chance of getting in. Most schools require vet experience, but if the OP had a shot at a top med school, as he stated, that must mean that he had a great MCAT score and a decent amount of research. Some schools do still take the MCAT - and if not I would imagine that in comparison the GRE would seem much easier. Has the OP taken the GRE and does he have any veterinary experience. I really don't think anyone can gauge whether he would be competitive for any school until we know that.

 

[Pennvet]

are you serious?



the OP's sig... i was half kidding, i don't really care who they are, as i've never heard of them. howeva, as such, i highly doubt they are superior to the bands to which I listen.

😉

Easy there, EMO!

I think that EVERYONE can agree on at least one musician: Bob Marley.

"Every man has a right to decide his on destiny. In this judgement there is no partiality."

Don't let grandma make your decisions for you. Worst case scenario, just talk to my grandma: Sallie Mae.

I just got off work, so I am officially withdrawing myself from the back and forth bicker, so that I may make the one block walk to the beach.

Going Surfing.

Peace, Love, and best wishes to all.

 

[Pennvet]

are you serious?



the OP's sig... i was half kidding, i don't really care who they are, as i've never heard of them. howeva, as such, i highly doubt they are superior to the bands to which I listen.

😉

Hmmm..."bands to which I listen".

And you are asking ME, if I'm serious?

 

[Emio]

Hmmm..."bands to which I listen".

And you are asking ME, if I'm serious?

what?? you're not supposed to end sentences in prepositions! besides, i was going for the whole "how that's for pretentious" thing.

and yes, i was asking you if you were serious.

i don't know about y'all, but i'm trying to keep this thread on track! 😡
to the OP: you don't have a chance at cornell oos if you don't have the animal/vet experience. or if you don't have a magic wand. maybe you do, i dont know.

 

[Pennvet]

what?? you're not supposed to end sentences in prepositions! besides, i was going for the whole "how that's for pretentious" thing.

and yes, i was asking you if you were serious.

i don't know about y'all, but i'm trying to keep this thread on track! 😡
to the OP: you don't have a chance at cornell oos if you don't have the animal/vet experience. or if you don't have a magic wand. maybe you do, i dont know.

Well then to answer your question, yes I was being very serious when I said that Cyrille usually writes positive and encouraging posts.

And in keeping with the topic:

If you want Cornell, you can have it. With a 3.72, you definitely have the grades (typically the most heavily weighted and potentially unforgiving parameter of your app.) But if you really think that you want to be a vet, it's only practical to get your feet wet before jumping in to a lifelong career that is relatively unpromising financially. The experience requirement is in place so that you don't make a hug mistake with your life, so be thankful for it.

 

[KittenKiller]

Well then to answer your question, yes I was being very serious when I said that Cyrille usually writes positive and encouraging posts.

haha what kinda crack you been smoking? (and no hate to you cyrille...i think we're living in the same apartment complex this fall <g>)

Anyhow, Im always down for flaming premeds. Carry on.

P.S. How many premeds does it take to perform an anal sac expression?

Also, this is funny if you've ever answered phones at a vet office: http://www.nanceestar.com/DogVetPhonePage25.html

 

[cyrille104]

Well then to answer your question, yes I was being very serious when I said that Cyrille usually writes positive and encouraging posts.

haha what kinda crack you been smoking? (and no hate to you cyrille...i think we're living in the same apartment complex this fall <g>)

Thanks for the support Pennvet, but let's be honest...I'm an dingus on this board. HOWEVER! I don't think I was over the top this time. Anyone?

Are you living in the garden court plaza kitten?

 

[cyrille104]

Though it will certainly be looked on negatively that the OP is applying to med school.

Do you really think that's true? I've heard that they slam you with really hard questions about it in the interview when they find out that little bit of info.

 

[nyanko]

Thanks for the support Pennvet, but let's be honest...I'm an dingus on this board. HOWEVER! I don't think I was over the top this time. Anyone?

I don't think you were either. The tone of the original post was pretty offensive and condescending to be honest, and I don't really think it's out of line to tell someone the reality of the situation.

 

[Pennvet]

haha what kinda crack you been smoking?

Right now, anything from the downtown San Diego sweet rock to the sexi mexi cheap rock. Hopefully, I will be smoking that dirty west philly rock sooner or later.

What kind of crack you been smoking?

 

[kate_g]

Anyone notice how long it's been since the OP actually contributed to the thread? Continue all the chatter you want, but I think we've lost his attention...

 

[coralfangs]

I just went back to my hometown and had to deal with my professors for my letters of recommendations for the past couple days.
Anyhoo, I do have vet and animal research experience actually (worked as a vet receptionist in my hometown, and hundreds of hours dealing with different animal colonies, dogs, mice, rats, fish, gators, not large animals though) duh........ (there's always some presumptive dingus here and there) I just didn't list my animal experiences in my amcas app, which is perfectly reasonable, do you think I would just consider vet out of the blues?
and it's not that hard to cover more than one area, you know.........
of cuz i knew about the situation regarding applying to both vet and med, my question was simply whether cornell considers OOS differently
i looked at cornell first because it is a private school and looks at mcat score (my mcat is slightly better than my gre) what's wrong with that?


ya, and I don't think my gpa is bad relatively to an average of 3.73, and when my MCAT is 97 percentile, so I do think I have a decent chance and most likely I will be working as an animal technician for a year

yes, if it makes some of you (ie. dork hugging the giraffe) feel better, i am just a complete loser
😴 haha

 

[Emio]

yes, if it makes some of you (ie. dork hugging the giraffe) feel better, i am just a complete loser
😴 haha

*sigh*

after my tour experience at cornell... you'll fit right in. best of luck to you.

 

[VelcroSky]

*sigh*

after my tour experience at cornell... you'll fit right in. best of luck to you.

I know it's bad etiquette posting just to laugh but HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't resist.

 

[Pennvet]

Anyone that opts not to be completely supportive of their competition should take some time for introspection. It is shameful, and it is embarrassing.

 

[ri23]

Honestly, I don't think the OP was trying to offend anyone and I'm surprised by the response he's gotten. I looked through his posts and though he may have come off as pretentious because of his initial post he made it clear that he wasn't trying to offend anyone. As I said before, and now that the OP has confirmed that he does have animal and vet experience as well as research and a good GPA and MCAT score I'm assuming he won't have trouble getting into a vet school. It seems that the OP has done more research than a lot of our new posters on this board who seem to post everytime a question comes into their head without doing the least bit of research on the topic (or even reading a couple of old threads).

 

[ri23]

Do you really think that's true? I've heard that they slam you with really hard questions about it in the interview when they find out that little bit of info.

I don't understand your question, I was agreeing with you. I stated that adcomms will look on the fact that he applied to med school too as a negative.

By the way, at least you admit you're an ass on this board -as long as everyone is aware of that it's fine 😉. Also, I do not think your post was harsh - sometimes people need a dose of reality.

 

[cyrille104]

*sigh*

after my tour experience at cornell... you'll fit right in. best of luck to you.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha

I don't understand your question, I was agreeing with you. I stated that adcomms will look on the fact that he applied to med school to as a negative.

Oops, I must have misread your post 😳

By the way, at least you admit you're an ass on this board -as long as everyone is aware of that it's fine 😉. Also, I do not think your post was harsh - sometimes people need a dose of reality.

Ya know, at least I was expecting someone to voice an agreement 🙄

 

[Spartanvet4cows]

*sigh*

after my tour experience at cornell... you'll fit right in. best of luck to you.

Hehehe, as a Michigan State dairy person, I find that especially amusing. I hear a lot of "Ugh Cornell...grumble grumble grumble" from our profs. My research adviser in the ruminant nutrition department would come back from national conferences complaining about the "know it alls that don't actually know anything" from Cornell.

Sorry back on track....It's typically more competitive for out of state at any school. MSU has a bias that at least 70 from each class of 100-108 are from in-state. I didn't apply to Cornell....or any out of state school for that matter so I'm not sure just how grueling it is.

 

[KittenKiller]

I didn't apply to Cornell....or any out of state school for that matter so I'm not sure just how grueling it is.

Cornell accepts about half its class from out of state (to my chagrin as a NY resident), which means better chances for out of state applicants. On the other hand, they probably get more applicants overall because they are the US News and World Report #1, so they probably get a lot of people who apply (like the OP, I suspect) just for the heck of it.

 

[VelcroSky]

My impression is that as the top tier school, they really tend to focus on numbers, GPA, GRE, etc... That's why they don't do interviews. I suppose if you have incredible numbers this could be a real advantage, especially if you have an offensive tattoo across your forehead.

 

[CookieBear]

Every school makes its exceptions to what they say they want, but last I knew, Cornell was extremely focused on applicants having at least four distinct veterinary field experiences.

Perhaps a strong application with good grades and high GRE will overcome less than the four unique experience types...

Small animal and exotic seemed to be lumped together by them. They were looking for both large animal AND small animal, and additional examples would be zoo and research, and whatever else you can think of.

That was from my post-mortem conversation with the new director of admissions, last year.

If you go on a safari to Africa, they really like that too.

 

[chris03333]

If you go on a safari to Africa, they really like that too.

Can't believe I am gonna say this...

But that's probably because they know how much those trips cost and assume you have $$$😳

 

[JumptheMoon]

If you go on a safari to Africa, they really like that too.

I think I met at least 3 people who had done that when I went to their accepted candidates weekend (where they tried to convince you that if you don't prefer PBL to traditional lectures, then you're basically an idiot)