How did you react when you didn't get in ANYWHERE?

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I don't mean single rejections, and I'm not talking about the specific activities you did on your gap year. I mean when the whole app cycle was over and you got zero acceptances,

How did you emotionally react, go about coping with it, and how long did it take you to realize your life wasn't over/ become optimistic?
I'd also be interested to hear about people who took / are on MORE than the 2nd cycle of applying, if possible.
I'm just curious because obviously this is a very real situation for many pre-meds, and as a first time applicant I can't imagine yet what that will actually feel like if/when it happens to me.

I have huge respect for all the re-applicants on here. like damn. way to be resilient.

Also, in anticipation of potential comments on the "uselessness/pointlessness of this thread" I'll just go ahead now and say to those people shut up and go away.

Thanks~
 
just a few weeks before I got over my "Im not taking the MCAT again" and now while studying I understand why I scored so low on the MCAT. This is my 3rd cycle, but its actually the 1st one I am serious about.

Just do well on the MCAT (using BR and some EK) and apply to schools that you are competitive in and a few below (if possible), so you don't miss out if you really don't mind where you study medicine, as long as you do it.
 
I was on a waitlist that never moved during my first cycle, so there was no sudden gestalt where I realized I would have to do this all again. Instead there was this slow, building sense that I would have to go through the rigmarole one more time. It made re-drafting my application and getting it to AMCAS in a timely matter extremely difficult, since there was this constant yet waning hope that I could still get in. Working at the school I was waitlisted at didn't help either, because I came to where I wanted to be every day, and my supervisors tried to encourage me by sharing stories of students rolling into the first day of classes with suitcase in hand and nowhere to sleep that night. But, I still managed to get everything done and had a much better cycle the second time around.
 
Do your level-headed best not to be that guy... I don't mean that in the snarky, superficial obvious way, but in a 'slow down and take a good hard look at your candidacy' before applying this year way. Take the necessary time to make your first application your best application. Ask yourself:
  • Is your GPA competitive?
    1. If not, what can you do to make it so? Grade replacement --> DO? DIY Post-Bac? SMP?
    2. Or is the best strategy letting time pass to let the old (bad) grades fade into 'youthful stupidity' to be replaced by two years of good grades at a later date that will be credible because the bad grades are so old?
  • Is your MCAT competitive?
    1. If not, what's the best you think you can do - honestly? (Some people are not great standardized test takers.)
    2. Ask yourself if you really did study as hard and as much as you could. Or did you half-ass it? (Lots of people really do, even if they spend a lot of time doing it.)
    3. Evaluate the effectiveness of your studying. Just because you studied hard doesn't necessarily mean you studied well...
  • Take a good hard look at your ECs and Activities. Do they show:
    1. That you know what being a doctor is like? Have you shadowed several different doctors in several different types of specialty and practice? 'Enough' is essential; a whole lot more is not necessarily better.
    2. That you are a kind, altruistic person? Over the long haul? What have you done to help people? How about people who are a little harder to love? (Homeless, old, demented, disabled, impoverished, etc.?) What have you done to make the world a better place?
    3. That you are OK being around sick people all the time -- clinical experience? Paid or unpaid is fine.
    4. That you have leadership and/or teaching skills?
    5. Edit: Can't believe I forgot research! Can you demonstrate that you have a curious mind? That you understand and appreciate the scientific method?
    6. That you are a creative, well-rounded, interesting person? Someone other people will actually want to be around? (Don't underestimate this one!)
Remember that your ECs are completely within your control! If your GPA and MCAT are merely 'fine', then exceptional ECs can be what gets you accepted. If your GPA and MCAT are great, marginal ECs can be what keeps you out. And for goodness sake, don't drop your activities after you apply. If you do need to reapply next year, you want more to show for it than a 'March scramble'​
  • Letters of reference? Are you confident that the people writing them on your behalf will be writing letters that are very good or better? Did you give them the information they will need to present you at your best? Did they seem pleased to have been asked to write on your behalf? If only modestly pleased, take a deep breath and ask them if they feel they can honestly write you a "strong" letter? Or if they have any reservations about your candidacy that you might be able to address?
  • Any red flags? Institutional actions? Criminal issues? Decide strategically how to handle them in a way that is mature, thoughtful and honest.
I guess none of this will help those of you who are in this position -- unless analyzing the list points out weaknesses you didn't realize you had. But isn't there some medical saying about an ounce of prevention?...
 
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Thanks everyone for the comments!

@DokterMom thanks for the post, I totally agree it is good to be realistic with all of this before applying. from what you've outlined I do believe I've done my best to prepare this first time around, so it makes me feel a little more hopeful, haha. I think I am pretty well covered in all of the areas EXCEPT i am still anxiously awaiting my MCAT score (5 days. . . ).
 
When I realized it was looking bad. All I could think was, "****."

I also remember crying in a coffee shop when I was rejected by my state school -- Looking back on it, I laugh. Crying in an independent coffee shop, as it is raining outside. Everything about it just seemed so melodramatic/so Seattle of me.

It wasn't so much the rejection at each individual school that stung, but the questions and doubt that it caused. It is cliche, but the whole process of asking myself those tough questions gave be reassurance that this is what I actually want to do.

But @DokterMom gives solid advice 🙂 Stay hopeful, at this point in time, you've basically done all you can do for this cycle except finalize apps, write secondaries, and prepare for your interviews. Try not to sweat the stuff that are out of your control. (definitely easier said than done).
 
Well there wasn't a single moment when I knew I wasn't getting in anywhere. After like February though, I pretty much resigned on that cycle and immediately started to prepare for the next one. Honestly, I wasn't that broken up about it. I took it as an opportunity to work on my weaknesses that I began to realize I had, which made me excited about the following cycle.
 
Well I would say every one of my cycles has been the same "What the hell do you mean I didn't get in and have to do this again??"

I am on round FOUR.
 
For me, I didn't have one moment, since I was on 4 waitlists (I'm still on 3 of them, in fact, so there's still a small glimmer of hope). I did cry a fair amount while rewriting my personal statement (repeatedly), due to the stress of the process and the fact that the premed advisor at my school was worse than useless, so I was basically on my own. And then I pulled myself together and swore to get my app in the first week and did so.
 
Well I would say every one of my cycles has been the same "What the hell do you mean I didn't get in and have to do this again??"

I am on round FOUR.
Oh my gosh, well kudos to you for not giving up (assuming that you know medicine is really what you want to do). Just out of curiosity now, can I ask you some questions?

About how many schools did you apply to in your past cycles?
and how many of those did you get as far as an interview?
Do you have any sort of red flag on your record, that would stand out? (like a DUI or something)
How are your GPA/MCAT?
Did you ask your adcoms for feedback on how to improve your app?

if you dont want to answer that's fine! i know i didnt originally ask for all that.
 
I don't mean single rejections, and I'm not talking about the specific activities you did on your gap year. I mean when the whole app cycle was over and you got zero acceptances,

How did you emotionally react, go about coping with it, and how long did it take you to realize your life wasn't over/ become optimistic?
I'd also be interested to hear about people who took / are on MORE than the 2nd cycle of applying, if possible.
I'm just curious because obviously this is a very real situation for many pre-meds, and as a first time applicant I can't imagine yet what that will actually feel like if/when it happens to me.

I have huge respect for all the re-applicants on here. like damn. way to be resilient.

Also, in anticipation of potential comments on the "uselessness/pointlessness of this thread" I'll just go ahead now and say to those people shut up and go away.

Thanks~

The first time I applied, when I didn't get in, I pretty much didn't speak with any of my friends afterwards. You build yourself up pretty high, and admitting you failed is just devastating. I still don't talk with most of those people. I might reconnect at some point.

If I had it to do over, I wouldn't have told anyone I was applying until I got in.
 
I imagine you over instances where you screwed up in the past, mentally combing through your performance at each interview looking for signs of your ****-ups, wondering if you only did this or that, you'd be accepted and starting medical school. "If only I had more time to write my personal statement..." "If only I studied physics more for the MCAT..." "If only I chose to go to university X instead of Y for undergraduate..."
 
The first time I applied, when I didn't get in, I pretty much didn't speak with any of my friends afterwards. You build yourself up pretty high, and admitting you failed is just devastating. I still don't talk with most of those people. I might reconnect at some point.

If I had it to do over, I wouldn't have told anyone I was applying until I got in.

I definitely thought about not telling anyone, but I feel like with how long and how much effort the whole process of shaping yourself into an applicant takes, it'd be really hard to just "hide" that from people.

and really, you just completely stopped talking to your friends? I mean I can imagine the embarrassment, but wow, do you mean even your close friends?
 
I had a friend that got rejected from all the schools she applied to. Her last rejection came in May, so she was ready to apply again the following cycle. She just kept going. She is an inspiration, though I am going to be matriculating next year, so not in that kind of way. But I think you can generalize her perseverance towards anything you lose at.
 
I was pretty sure I would get into my state school, until they rejected me on April 29th. New AMCAS opened like 2 days later. That was rough.
 
I definitely thought about not telling anyone, but I feel like with how long and how much effort the whole process of shaping yourself into an applicant takes, it'd be really hard to just "hide" that from people.

and really, you just completely stopped talking to your friends? I mean I can imagine the embarrassment, but wow, do you mean even your close friends?
Yeah, it has been a little embarrassing telling people I didn't get in, but my friends understand and it doesn't really matter in the long run.
 
Yeah, it has been a little embarrassing telling people I didn't get in, but my friends understand and it doesn't really matter in the long run.

It's really sad when they are excited to ask you, and expect you to respond with excitement and happiness, as well. They always pause for a second to process it... "Where did you get in?!" ... "Oh." ...
 
It's really sad when they are excited to ask you, and expect you to respond with excitement and happiness, as well. They always pause for a second to process it... "Where did you get in?!" ... "Oh." ...
Yup. I've just got it down to, "I'm waitlisted at 3 places and reapplying in case I don't get off a waitlist." :/
 
Yup. I've just got it down to, "I'm waitlisted at 3 places and reapplying in case I don't get off a waitlist." :/
that's exactly the situation i was in last cycle. 3 WL...no accepts. Needed to re-submit AMCAS and somehow got it in by Jun 15th. Was pretty rough. These thoughts plagued my head every day around this time last year....but alas, i was granted my first acceptance early this cycle and had a good cycle overall. You just have to keep at it.
 
that's exactly the situation i was in last cycle. 3 WL...no accepts. Needed to re-submit AMCAS and somehow got it in by Jun 15th. Was pretty rough. These thoughts plagued my head every day around this time last year....but alas, i was granted my first acceptance early this cycle and had a good cycle overall. You just have to keep at it.
Congrats! That's definitely good to hear. 🙂
 
Had a panic attack. Sat on my couch in the dark for 8h staring at a blank wall. Cried for a bit, ate some Nutella.

Then got back to work.

I don't mean single rejections, and I'm not talking about the specific activities you did on your gap year. I mean when the whole app cycle was over and you got zero acceptances,

How did you emotionally react, go about coping with it, and how long did it take you to realize your life wasn't over/ become optimistic?
I'd also be interested to hear about people who took / are on MORE than the 2nd cycle of applying, if possible.
I'm just curious because obviously this is a very real situation for many pre-meds, and as a first time applicant I can't imagine yet what that will actually feel like if/when it happens to me.

I have huge respect for all the re-applicants on here. like damn. way to be resilient.

Also, in anticipation of potential comments on the "uselessness/pointlessness of this thread" I'll just go ahead now and say to those people shut up and go away.

Thanks~
 
I definitely thought about not telling anyone, but I feel like with how long and how much effort the whole process of shaping yourself into an applicant takes, it'd be really hard to just "hide" that from people.

and really, you just completely stopped talking to your friends? I mean I can imagine the embarrassment, but wow, do you mean even your close friends?

I didn't hide anything. My friends knew I didn't get in.

And to understand why it was so easy to withdraw, see this quote from another poster. It gets truly fatiguing.

It's really sad when they are excited to ask you, and expect you to respond with excitement and happiness, as well. They always pause for a second to process it... "Where did you get in?!" ... "Oh." ...
 
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It has been pretty rough. I think the worst part is receiving advice from well-meaning people who don't seem to have a clue about the application process. I've been told that I should retake the MCAT (I scored a 38), apply to various Masters programs (I have a 3.6+ GPA, with a 4.0 for the past several years), and give up and become a PA (not a terrible idea considering my age, but still a little bit offensive). I knew that I was taking a risk this cycle by only applying to top schools, but it's difficult to explain that part to folks who aren't in the know.

I think being a little bit older and having perspective has been somewhat helpful in coping with the rejection. However, it is still pretty painful and the idea of being yet another year older when I start medical school is a real punch to the gut. I think most of us here are mature enough to deal with it and move forward - it just kind of sucks.
 
Yeah, it has been a little embarrassing telling people I didn't get in, but my friends understand and it doesn't really matter in the long run.
Seriously so awkward.. I went through both sides this cycle, being waitlisted or denied when friends were receiving multiple acceptances, you could tell they were really excited to tell you and share their excitement but felt horrible that I hadn't gotten in anywhere yet. Then as soon as I received my first acceptance it was shared happiness with the previously accepted people and then a bit different and hard deciding how to share/act with those still waiting on their first acceptance. It sucks that this process creates these kinds of situations in varying degrees with people including some of your closest friends, nobody wants to be the person shoving your luck in the face of those not so lucky.
 
I had a friend that got rejected from all the schools she applied to. Her last rejection came in May, so she was ready to apply again the following cycle. She just kept going. She is an inspiration, though I am going to be matriculating next year, so not in that kind of way. But I think you can generalize her perseverance towards anything you lose at.

The thing is won't medical schools expect you to have new material for that whole year you spend applying to medical school? Won't you have to redo LORs, personal statements, secondaries etc to show some progression in yourself? That'd be the most frustrating part of reapplying.
 
The thing is won't medical schools expect you to have new material for that whole year you spend applying to medical school? Won't you have to redo LORs, personal statements, secondaries etc to show some progression in yourself? That'd be the most frustrating part of reapplying.
Yuup. For me, LORs weren't an issue - I got a few new ones, and asked my previous recommenders if they wouldn't mind re-writing and/or re-uploading (almost all of them revised the letters, 1-2 may not have). Redoing my PS was torture - my reasons for going into medicine haven't changed! I changed the way I framed it, though. ECs weren't bad - I continued with many, but had some new ones (including research). Haven't really started on secondaries, but that'll be a pain as well. I have a few ideas, just have to put them on paper.
 
I had a friend that got rejected from all the schools she applied to. Her last rejection came in May, so she was ready to apply again the following cycle. She just kept going. She is an inspiration, though I am going to be matriculating next year, so not in that kind of way. But I think you can generalize her perseverance towards anything you lose at.

This is the second time you put forward the "fact" that you will be matriculating in Fall of 2015. I appreciate your honest confidence, while medical school admissions are unpredictable I think it is fine for some applicants to not pretend to worry about getting in at all. That said, your comment still rubs me the wrong way... I don't think you mean to sound dismissive or arrogant, but why is it necessary to make a point about how your friend's experience won't directly apply to you?
 
This is the second time you put forward the "fact" that you will be matriculating in Fall of 2015. I appreciate your honest confidence, while medical school admissions are unpredictable I think it is fine for some applicants to not pretend to worry about getting in at all. That said, your comment still rubs me the wrong way... I don't think you mean to sound dismissive or arrogant, but why is it necessary to make a point about how your friend's experience won't directly apply to you?
Because s/he went to a top public ivy and has like a 31 on their mcat... too good to possibly fail, their ship is unsinkable.
 
This is the second time you put forward the "fact" that you will be matriculating in Fall of 2015. I appreciate your honest confidence, while medical school admissions are unpredictable I think it is fine for some applicants to not pretend to worry about getting in at all. That said, your comment still rubs me the wrong way... I don't think you mean to sound dismissive or arrogant, but why is it necessary to make a point about how your friend's experience won't directly apply to you?
That's exactly what I thought after reading that post, but wasn't 100% sure that she is still just an applicant. I thought maybe she could have deferred and that's why she commented that. hence why I asked her the follow-up question (that she didnt answer).

So Ulah, if you are still just an applicant, should you have even bothered to comment what you did on here? No. Because you can throw in nice words like "inspiration" and "perseverance", but i mean let's be honest--there's no sense using them if you're just going to overshadow them with your pompous attitude. (aka feeling the need to tack on a phrase like "not in that kind of way" to the end of your sentence).

I'm sure you probably have a stellar MCAT/gpa to be that confident. And I am jealous of your confidence, truly. But as a future doctor, I don't believe your academic credentials will be enough to hide the arrogance and serious lack of sincerity you'll convey to your colleagues/patients.

just my 2 cents.
 
Oh my gosh, well kudos to you for not giving up (assuming that you know medicine is really what you want to do). Just out of curiosity now, can I ask you some questions?

About how many schools did you apply to in your past cycles?
and how many of those did you get as far as an interview?
Do you have any sort of red flag on your record, that would stand out? (like a DUI or something)
How are your GPA/MCAT?
Did you ask your adcoms for feedback on how to improve your app?

if you dont want to answer that's fine! i know i didnt originally ask for all that.

I am in the car right now and all of that is in my mdapps.

I have no red flags.

I asked for advice and they say I had no red flags.
 
@AndyQC How did you not get in anywhere with those stellar stats?

Late to the application season ball last year?
 
It seriously sucked, since >85% of people with my stats got in. Then I didn't get in again which sucks even more as 80% of people with my stats got in. My life sucks ;/
 
That's exactly what I thought after reading that post, but wasn't 100% sure that she is still just an applicant. I thought maybe she could have deferred and that's why she commented that. hence why I asked her the follow-up question (that she didnt answer).

So Ulah, if you are still just an applicant, should you have even bothered to comment what you did on here? No. Because you can throw in nice words like "inspiration" and "perseverance", but i mean let's be honest--there's no sense using them if you're just going to overshadow them with your pompous attitude. (aka feeling the need to tack on a phrase like "not in that kind of way" to the end of your sentence).

I'm sure you probably have a stellar MCAT/gpa to be that confident. And I am jealous of your confidence, truly. But as a future doctor, I don't believe your academic credentials will be enough to hide the arrogance and serious lack of sincerity you'll convey to your colleagues/patients.

just my 2 cents.

Honestly, its just confidence. I've read A LOT of information. Is there a chance that I won't matriculate, sure. But I'm applying to get in, not to get rejected. You gotta believe in yourself to have a chance.
 
Honestly, its just confidence. I've read A LOT of information. Is there a chance that I won't matriculate, sure. But I'm applying to get in, not to get rejected. You gotta believe in yourself to have a chance.

True, but a thread for applicants who would like to talk about the disappointment of not getting in anywhere is not an appropriate place to be confident in your future matriculation when you haven't ever applied.
 
@AndyQC How did you not get in anywhere with those stellar stats?

Late to the application season ball last year?

Nope. Applied within the first week of AMCAS opening. I suspect that the primary reason I wasn't accepted is because I applied only to schools in the western states. I have very little research experience which pretty much killed me in CA. AZ and NV don't take a lot of OOSers. I'm still perplexed as to why I wasn't accepted to my state school (NM), but it is what it is.
 
It seriously sucked, since >85% of people with my stats got in. Then I didn't get in again which sucks even more as 80% of people with my stats got in. My life sucks ;/
Wow, that's tough 🙁 do you have any clue why that happened to you? Red flag?
 
Wow, that's tough 🙁 do you have any clue why that happened to you? Red flag?

I have small things, but no real reason, I did have a bad grade trend but then I applied to 25 schools that had lower stats than my own, and a dean of admission has said she just thinks im super unlucky :/

It does suck, to work this hard, and not get in ANYWHERE. I've given advice to tons of students over the last couple of years that have gotten into my top choice schools, yet I can't even get into one.

Even one girl who said, "I just want to be a neurosurgeon so I can make a lot of money" got into my top choice, yet I can't get one school LOL

I'm so happy for them but also so envious lol, I was even one of those students that did everything I could to apply after junior year.

I took classes at 3 community colleges simulatenously to get enough classes to transfer in 2 years (where many of my friends needed 3), I took my MCAT without all the prereqs and did well, yet all that for nothing... TWICE!
 
I have small things, but no real reason, I did have a bad grade trend but then I applied to 25 schools that had lower stats than my own, and a dean of admission has said she just thinks im super unlucky :/

It does suck, to work this hard, and not get in ANYWHERE. I've given advice to tons of students over the last couple of years that have gotten into my top choice schools, yet I can't even get into one.

Even one girl who said, "I just want to be a neurosurgeon so I can make a lot of money" got into my top choice, yet I can't get one school LOL

I'm so happy for them but also so envious lol, I was even one of those students that did everything I could to apply after junior year.

I took classes at 3 community colleges simulatenously to get enough classes to transfer in 2 years (where many of my friends needed 3), I took my MCAT without all the prereqs and did well, yet all that for nothing... TWICE!

LOL reading this reminds me exactly of myself.

The only thing I've been told is the bias for taking prereqs at a community college. But I've also been told that the bias should be negated since I did well in my upper level science coursework at my university. Thankfully I actually feel like my application is considerably stronger this year, so hopefully that reflects to the adcom

I don't want to be comforted by your misfortune, but it is nice to know I'm not the only one with this bad "luck". Cheers to this next cycle! :happy:
 
I immediately hit the ground running and started on my apps for the next cycle. No time to lick my wounds because things need to get done. I just beasted through everything.

After all my apps are sent in, then I have time to let it sink in, which is usually around the same time that I realized that I am not getting interviews. It just all snowballs in such a huge mess.

I am so thankful that I got in.
 
LOL reading this reminds me exactly of myself.

The only thing I've been told is the bias for taking prereqs at a community college. But I've also been told that the bias should be negated since I did well in my upper level science coursework at my university. Thankfully I actually feel like my application is considerably stronger this year, so hopefully that reflects to the adcom

I don't want to be comforted by your misfortune, but it is nice to know I'm not the only one with this bad "luck". Cheers to this next cycle! :happy:

I only took Honors Bio 1, Honors Bio 2, and G-Chem 1 at community college. I took Gchem 2 - A , Physics 1- B+, Physics 2- A, Ochem - A-, Ochem2 - B-, Biochem- A- at my top 25 university :/
 
I only took Honors Bio 1, Honors Bio 2, and G-Chem 1 at community college. I took Gchem 2 - A , Physics 1- B+, Physics 2- A, Ochem - A-, Ochem2 - B-, Biochem- A- at my top 25 university :/
Wait, can I ask what stats you were referring to earlier then? I'm just confused. . . you must not be including your GPA in those stats then? I'm not trying to be rude, but you mentioned that >85% of people with your stats were accepted, but from these grades it's not exactly like you had the perfect GPA. so im now just wondering if you meant something other than GPA.
 
Wait, can I ask what stats you were referring to earlier then? I'm just confused. . . you must not be including your GPA in those stats then? I'm not trying to be rude, but you mentioned that >85% of people with your stats were accepted, but from these grades it's not exactly like you had the perfect GPA. so im now just wondering if you meant something other than GPA.

When I first applied I had a 3.74/3.74 34 MCAT, at that year, 85% of people got in. The second time I applied I had a 3.60 (updated to a 3.63)/34 MCAT, which I believe 70-80% of apps got in with
 
When I first applied I had a 3.74/3.74 34 MCAT, at that year, 85% of people got in. The second time I applied I had a 3.60 (updated to a 3.63)/34 MCAT, which I believe 70-80% of apps got in with
oh okay i see, thanks . yeah that is weird because your GPA is still totally in a normal range; and I am very jealous of that MCAT. this is your third time? crazy. (crazy as in i cant believe youre not in yet)
 
I had a friend that got rejected from all the schools she applied to. Her last rejection came in May, so she was ready to apply again the following cycle. She just kept going. She is an inspiration, though I am going to be matriculating next year, so not in that kind of way. But I think you can generalize her perseverance towards anything you lose at.

You are so toxic, and I am so excited to check back in and see how this cycle goes for you.
 
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