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I am of average or above average intelligence like most people in medical school. Is it possible to work you way to the top of the class or are the people in the top 5% naturally gifted?
How do I finish at the top of my class: Gunner Advice!
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I'm not known for being shy here so I'll be the first admitted gunner to actually respond to the OP's thread.
I don't want to give my identity away so I will just say that I'm in the top 10% of my class at my school. I won't say where I rank in that 10%. I have earned nearly above 95% on almost every exam.
I wouldn't take advantage of my fellow classmates. That being said, I'm not going to go out of my way to help them either. Why should I? Why should I share my notes that I slaved for weeks rewriting? Why should I spend hours tutoring my fellow classmate because he or she decided to skip lecture and go out during the week. I'm sorry but basic sciences isn't about team work. Working on the wards involves teamwork and getting along with your fellow students. But it's not my responsibilty to see that my friend in class gets the same grade I do.
There isn't a secret to doing well in medical school. Like others have already mentioned, if you want to be at the top of you class, study all the time and stay on top of your schedule as much as you can.
Everyone in medical school figures out pretty quickly what they need to do to be at the top of their class. Most of the students realize it isn't worth gunning for every exam. They want to have a balanced life or they aren't trying to match for an ultra competitive residency like me. Others simply lack the stamina to study long hours on a consistent basis. That is the secret to being a gunner: stamina. It's all about stamina. This is pretty much what I do.
1. Read lecture beforehand
2. ATTEND class and take notes
3. Rewrite my notes or summarize. (Don't spend too much time doing this)
4. Memorizing
5. Re-read and repeat as many times as possible.
Funny thing is all these students wil see this and say:"Yeah, I will do that as an MS-I next year." But I guarantee to you that 95% of them will stop after about 1-2 weeks as the volume increases and as they get sick of studying. The true gunners will persist.
Also, another trick is befriend gunner classmates. You need friends who are as ambitious as you are so you can meet in groups to review material.
As far as hours studied, I would say 55 hours a week including weekends. You need to train your body to persist on 5-6 hours of sleep. I attend lecture so that takes away studying during the day. But if you actually pay attention in class and know what's going, that is like studying. I study from 7 PM to about 1-2 AM on weekdays. I study about 9-10 hours on Saturday and Sunday.
I don't want to give my identity away so I will just say that I'm in the top 10% of my class at my school. I won't say where I rank in that 10%. I have earned nearly above 95% on almost every exam.
I wouldn't take advantage of my fellow classmates. That being said, I'm not going to go out of my way to help them either. Why should I? Why should I share my notes that I slaved for weeks rewriting? Why should I spend hours tutoring my fellow classmate because he or she decided to skip lecture and go out during the week. I'm sorry but basic sciences isn't about team work. Working on the wards involves teamwork and getting along with your fellow students. But it's not my responsibilty to see that my friend in class gets the same grade I do.
There isn't a secret to doing well in medical school. Like others have already mentioned, if you want to be at the top of you class, study all the time and stay on top of your schedule as much as you can.
Everyone in medical school figures out pretty quickly what they need to do to be at the top of their class. Most of the students realize it isn't worth gunning for every exam. They want to have a balanced life or they aren't trying to match for an ultra competitive residency like me. Others simply lack the stamina to study long hours on a consistent basis. That is the secret to being a gunner: stamina. It's all about stamina. This is pretty much what I do.
1. Read lecture beforehand
2. ATTEND class and take notes
3. Rewrite my notes or summarize. (Don't spend too much time doing this)
4. Memorizing
5. Re-read and repeat as many times as possible.
Funny thing is all these students wil see this and say:"Yeah, I will do that as an MS-I next year." But I guarantee to you that 95% of them will stop after about 1-2 weeks as the volume increases and as they get sick of studying. The true gunners will persist.
Also, another trick is befriend gunner classmates. You need friends who are as ambitious as you are so you can meet in groups to review material.
As far as hours studied, I would say 55 hours a week including weekends. You need to train your body to persist on 5-6 hours of sleep. I attend lecture so that takes away studying during the day. But if you actually pay attention in class and know what's going, that is like studying. I study from 7 PM to about 1-2 AM on weekdays. I study about 9-10 hours on Saturday and Sunday.
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So true. I don't have the stamina for it.
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And it doesn't make you any less of a person or less bright. It's all about stamina and choices. Some of the brightest kids in the class are not at the top and that's because they chose not to be.
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I actually respect someone who says something like this. He (or she) is being real and not hiding anything.
I was wondering one thing though, for you azcom, do you not at all go out? You study for 20 hours on the weekend, so I presume that you don't go out, but I suppose it does leave time for socializing. But do you not socialize at all, or do you fit it in (somehow) that crazy schedule of yours?
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No I don't go out that often. I go out maybe once a month or once every two months. My classmates would describe me as a likable yet quiet guy. I get along with everyone but I'm not with the "in crowd" that goes out every weekend to Scottsdale or that is involved with softball and every intramural sport that is available. I'm from the area so I have a ton of friends from high school and undergrad, which leads me to another great piece of advice. You don't want to be Mr. Popular in medical school. Having too many friends in medical is actually a bad thing especially if you are doing well. The lazy slackers will want to mooch off your notes and study with you. And your partying friends will always want you to accompany them to the bars. You can't really think of medical school as a school. You have to think of it as a job. Go to your job and then come home and chill. You have to stop giving a crap about how well liked you are. It doesn't mean anything. I think it's best to keep a medium profile. You need to have enough friends to rely upon in case you miss class or you want to study. But being too high profile can be a distraction.
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Who cares about popular. You'll figure out that like in every arena in life there are people in med school you just don't want to be friends with and frankly couldn't care less about being popluar with. Just find that group of people that you actually want to be friends with.
BiggMann is right on the ball with gunners. I know of this gunner that lives a pathetic life.
Phillips Exeter Academy for four years.. Parents paid lots of money to send him there. Astronomical SAT score. Never held a job.
MIT for four years. Thought he was going to be an engineer. Became very confused. Didn't know what to do next. Woke up one morning and decided that he wanted to be a doc. Astronomical MCAT first time taken. Never held a job.
UPenn Med school. 4 years. AOA. All honors. 260+ on USMLE.
Never held a job.
MGH residency in neurosurgery. At this time, neurosurgery was a new field and equivalent to derm now. Even got a scholarship. His first job! Don't have to depend on Dad for cash.
So, what became of this pathetic man? He is now in his early 40s. No wife, No kids, and No Life. Way to go!!!!
Does it really pay to be a gunner? Maybe, if you can balance your life.
Phillips Exeter Academy for four years.. Parents paid lots of money to send him there. Astronomical SAT score. Never held a job.
MIT for four years. Thought he was going to be an engineer. Became very confused. Didn't know what to do next. Woke up one morning and decided that he wanted to be a doc. Astronomical MCAT first time taken. Never held a job.
UPenn Med school. 4 years. AOA. All honors. 260+ on USMLE.
Never held a job.
MGH residency in neurosurgery. At this time, neurosurgery was a new field and equivalent to derm now. Even got a scholarship. His first job! Don't have to depend on Dad for cash.
So, what became of this pathetic man? He is now in his early 40s. No wife, No kids, and No Life. Way to go!!!!
Does it really pay to be a gunner? Maybe, if you can balance your life.
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As much as I wouldn't like to have that gunner's life...not everyone wants a wife and kids (or a husband and kids), and maybe he's happy focusing on his prestigious career.
Everyone has to find their own balance.
🙂 kem
Everyone has to find their own balance.
🙂 kem
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The question is: What is being "gunned"? Is the target that is in the "gunner's" "crosshairs" is a person's classmates, that brings you to one definition of "gunner." However, if the "gunner" is "taking aim" at his or her academic challenges, then one would arrive at another definition of the word "gunner."
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That was so true! The key to being a good gunner is pretending to be laid back and down to earth so that the residents aren't jealous of you. Those are the true gunners who do well in their clinical rotations.
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Sorry to triple post but here is my 2 cents. Being a gunner is only worth it if you can find a balance in your life you are happy with. You will be in your 30s by the time you are a full attending unless you started really young. You will be a third of the way through your life at this point. All you will have to show for it is a good residency in a cush high paying specialty. Is that all you want out of life at age 35? At age 35 your life is almost half over. There is so much more to life then residency, money, and prestige. You can have these three things and have other things too if you play your cards right, you just need to find the balance that fits for you. Grades are great, but many residencies dont' care about first and second year grades. It is all about the boards and the 3rd year grades. By the way unless you are going into derm, you can still get into a cush specialty without being AOA. Don't be like the dorks on gunnerMD.com. Don't throw your life away designing sharks with stethoscope logos and flashing AOA gang signs while on roller coasters. Please, for the love of God!
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Back to the original question... you wanna know how to succeed in med school? ...the answer is
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Be a really really hot girl who brings donuts to morning rounds in a miniskirt. Laugh and flame as you will, but we all know girl-starved loser residents can never turn a hot girl down for honors. Why the hell do you think all Derm residents are hot chicks anyways/ Because of their SKIN?? comeon......
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That is totally true. All of the cute girls in my class would do the whole flirtatious, innocent girl next door thing and would get honors during third year. The one exception is if they got the butch female resident who was not down with that type of behavior, then they were in trouble.
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Have you ever helped any classmate in your medical school so far? I do not really like the "me aganist them" attitude. I know, you want to get the highest scores in your first two years and then be a great team member in the clinical years. You know what, if you are a gunner for a while, you are a gunner for the whole life because there are always competitions in any stage of your life.
You might think you will be done with the gunner thing after the basic science years, but wait, you need to get honors in clinical years (where the most gunners reveal themselves), you need to get the top fellowshp, you need to practice in CA/NY or AZ, you need to teach at Harvard, etc.etc. You get the picture. I mean, why should you help the fellow student so he can score well in the Shelf? Why should you help the fellow residents so he might compete with you in the fellowship application?
You are definitely a smart person and I bet your scores would suffer little if you had given you notes to some of your classmates. If anything, I wish you could give your notes to the next year's class because you will feel great when you help people, especially your colleagues.
Why is the person above considered a gunner? I understand that he is a high achiever and kudos to him for being so. His success doesn't provide any proof of him being a gunner. Let's not put all hardworking people and high achievers in one pot.
A lot of people go through their college education without holding a job. If his father could afford his education at MIT then he was lucky. Again, why is that so bad?
You say that he has a pathetic life according to your measurements. A lot of people nowadays don't want a family. Or they can't have one (gay). Since when is success in life measured by how many kids you have ?
To answer the posts, he does want a family badly. And lives a miserable life. He can't find a decent woman who can put up with his hectic work schedule and because he has never had a real relationship..he doesn't know exactly what it entails. He spends the little free time he has taking his mother to lunch, outings..etc. Moral of the story: Balance your life. (business & personal)
guys -- when you can't think of anything intelligent or funny to say about gunners, try to make like shebangs, masonator, etc, and distract your reader by using sexism. You will certainly always at least succeed in looking like an idiot. i am so sick of hearing about female medical students getting good grades just because they look hot or whatever. there are enough women residents now that if things really worked that way, hot guys (and there are SO MANY of them in med school -- yeah, right) would be raking in the A's too. Or is it possible that you guys just don't look good enough to make the grades?
In this spirit, ladies, I have a new gunner technique alert: Cosmetic surgery and a $9000 Beverly Hills Hot Girl Wardrobe.
And since looks are so important, why don't you guys all come to my hospital to show off -- Hopefully I will look around at Grand Rounds in the next few months and see an auditorium filled with Jennifer Lopez, Johnny Depp and Chris Webber look-alikes!!!!!! wouldn't it be nice...
In this spirit, ladies, I have a new gunner technique alert: Cosmetic surgery and a $9000 Beverly Hills Hot Girl Wardrobe.
And since looks are so important, why don't you guys all come to my hospital to show off -- Hopefully I will look around at Grand Rounds in the next few months and see an auditorium filled with Jennifer Lopez, Johnny Depp and Chris Webber look-alikes!!!!!! wouldn't it be nice...
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I don't mind making an ass of myself, because through humor, truths are easier to swallow.
I think women residents that grade male medical students can be just as subjective.. For instance, if the student pisses off a OB/GYN resident who happens to be PMSing, he is less likely to get honors.
I also believe it is the rare occasion that female residents grade subjectively based on looks. Female residents do not look at male medical students as sex objects because the students are often younger than them (therefore lesser in knowledge/rank/etc), and also because 80% of women residents are in long-term relationships (significant others/marriage/engaged...etc.)
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goo d point
...... xcept if u are rotating in a brooklyn hospital........in that case......hell hath no fury like a west indian nurse. so ill take my chances with the pmsing gyn resident any day
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at my school, the gunners somehow all got placed into the same rotation group. that makes it easier on the rest of us!
last i heard, they're making a group tshirt with the name "top gun" on it. no joke. to some, the are also known as "team evil." a tad harsh but still pretty funny.
i think there's a distinction to be made between gunners who help fellow classmates and those who are just plain egotistical/self serving. i don't mind the first group, since they contribute meaningfully to the class. the latter, however, can go ahead and derelict my ballz, capi-tan. booyah
last i heard, they're making a group tshirt with the name "top gun" on it. no joke. to some, the are also known as "team evil." a tad harsh but still pretty funny.
i think there's a distinction to be made between gunners who help fellow classmates and those who are just plain egotistical/self serving. i don't mind the first group, since they contribute meaningfully to the class. the latter, however, can go ahead and derelict my ballz, capi-tan. booyah
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pray hard..study hard..
heck, i know some wannabe gunners..they are scared to reveal their marks to me..heck..if i do better than them, and since i kinda slack once in a while, they think either i'm bull****ting my marks, or they show me this face as if they are going to hit me
even if they do darn well, they wouldn't tell me their marks, or jack up their marks by 20
heck, i know some wannabe gunners..they are scared to reveal their marks to me..heck..if i do better than them, and since i kinda slack once in a while, they think either i'm bull****ting my marks, or they show me this face as if they are going to hit me
even if they do darn well, they wouldn't tell me their marks, or jack up their marks by 20
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I help classmates all the time. However, there are degrees to which you can help classmates. It's hypocritical to suggest that medical school and life in general doesn't involve competition. It does. Even the so called Pass/Fail schools secretly rank their students. It's foolish for someone to bust his hump and then help his lazy classmate by giving them notes he worked hard on while they slacked. That' not being generous. That's being naive, and immature. We are all adults in a professional school. I'm a very nice person but I'm also a responsible adult. I'm in no way being unfair or rude by not giving classmates my own hand written notes.
You aren't helping the other student. All you are doing is reinforcing his or her lazy habits because they will continue to try and mooch off people since they have been so successfull with it in the past. It's usually these students that complain the most about gunners and try to depict us as vicious people. These are the same students who skip class and go out 3 times a week and then come to you at the last minute for notes or "to help them study (tutor them)." If you don't help them, they will label you a gunner and try to besmirch you.
It's one thing to try and screw your classmates. I have never done that. I'm very pleasant to everyone in my class. If someone doesn't understand something, I will show them how to solve the problem. But I'm not going to share my notes or study with them = tutor them for hours before an exam.
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Gunners seem to be maligned on here. We gunners have our own perspective on things. We notice that non-gunners usually fit into a category as well. Yes, these are inaccurate stereotypes but so is depciting hardworking people as gunners. We aren't all ruthless, backstabhing people because we are ambitious. So I have created a few stereotypes of mine. Enjoy. 🙂 Which one are you?
Slackers Slackers were people who are intelligent but lazy They always studied at the last minute in college and got away with A's. Unfortunately, those habits don't pay off in medical school when they have to actually study on a consistent basis. So they end up doing okay but wished they did better. They will accuse anyone who does better than them of being a nerd or gunner with no life.
Closet Gunners They are gunners who try to appear like everyone else. If their high grade is discovered, they downplay it and suggest they are lucky. They also have that undergrad mentality of denying ever studying for an exam. They may show up to a party but they will rarely stay the entire time. They will leave and study during the day.
Hotties They are the hot women in your class that are of average intelligence. They are the one member of their sorority that didn't major in education or marketing. They weened off others throughtout college and high school. Because of the appearance, they always got better grades in lab from horny foreign TA's. No one denied them help when they sought it. Professors would spend extra time with them during office hours. Thing is they are still quite good at it. There are plenty of these types around. They will act cute and ask you questions when they haven't done $hit. Again, some horny guy will help her and she will get away with it like she always has. These are the types who match derm with a 210 Step 1 score.
Reformed Nerd - Let's not forget about the Reformed Nerd. This was a guy was a nerd in undergrad. As soon as they got into medical school, they try to fool everyone into thinking they were cool during college. They usuall finish somewhere in the middle of the class because medical school is like high school to them. They are trying to creat an identity for themselves. These students might have lived at home during college under the strict watch of their parents. You can usually identify the reformed nerd because he doesn't know how to light a cigarette or gets wasted after 2 beers, although "he has been drinking his entire life." They are usually the most vocal in the class.
Ortho-Jock-Many of these guys are gunners too but they think they are better than gunners because they are ex-athletes so that makes up somehow for the fact that they never go out now. They still think they are great athletes and talk smack like they used to run the 40's in under 4'6. These guys can be seen throwing the football on campus or competing hard in the 3 on 3 hoops tournament. They all want to go into sports medicine or ortho. The problem with these guys is that they are essentially meatheads that know a lot of anatomy. They are book smart but are absolutely devoid of culture, racial and gender sensitivity etc.
Ethnic Clique-This refers to who belongs to some ethnic group in the U.S. Ethnic women are usually in medical school because their parents were doctors and they are forcing them into medicine. Of course, they know how to interview well and so they got past the screening process. They usually enter a lifestyle field so they can be stay at home mothers and raise the kids of the ethnic doctor they marry. The ethnic men are usually gunners. They want to match into the most competitive and specialized field possible so they brag and improve the quality of their biodata. This will make them a top marriage prospect among their ethnic circle.
The Saint- These are the conservative relgious people in the class. He or she has no interest in entering a competitive specialty. They seek to enter to primary care thus their goal in school is to befriend everyone. They hate to think of medical school as having a competitive element and feel that everyone should get along. These people tend to be married and have a kid. Despite their benign demeanor, they aren't in medicine only to help people although they might imply that. And if you get too close to one of these people, they might try to convert you to their faith.
True Genius-closet gunners wish they were true geniuses. There aren't many of these in medical school but they exist. They really don't study aside from doing the initial reading. They have great memories, read fast and have an uncanny instinct for thinking outside the box. True Geniuses can be distinguished from closet gunners because true geniuses will finish at the top of their class and still enter family medicine. Although they could have matched derm, they still follow their heart as opposed to their paycheck. They aren't ambitious for the most part. They know they could enter a more competitive field but they just want to be happy and party as much as they can. The closet gunner will talk about going into primary care and then match for opthalmology in March.
So you can see, you shouldn't mock gunners because chances are you can by stereotyped as well.
Slackers Slackers were people who are intelligent but lazy They always studied at the last minute in college and got away with A's. Unfortunately, those habits don't pay off in medical school when they have to actually study on a consistent basis. So they end up doing okay but wished they did better. They will accuse anyone who does better than them of being a nerd or gunner with no life.
Closet Gunners They are gunners who try to appear like everyone else. If their high grade is discovered, they downplay it and suggest they are lucky. They also have that undergrad mentality of denying ever studying for an exam. They may show up to a party but they will rarely stay the entire time. They will leave and study during the day.
Hotties They are the hot women in your class that are of average intelligence. They are the one member of their sorority that didn't major in education or marketing. They weened off others throughtout college and high school. Because of the appearance, they always got better grades in lab from horny foreign TA's. No one denied them help when they sought it. Professors would spend extra time with them during office hours. Thing is they are still quite good at it. There are plenty of these types around. They will act cute and ask you questions when they haven't done $hit. Again, some horny guy will help her and she will get away with it like she always has. These are the types who match derm with a 210 Step 1 score.
Reformed Nerd - Let's not forget about the Reformed Nerd. This was a guy was a nerd in undergrad. As soon as they got into medical school, they try to fool everyone into thinking they were cool during college. They usuall finish somewhere in the middle of the class because medical school is like high school to them. They are trying to creat an identity for themselves. These students might have lived at home during college under the strict watch of their parents. You can usually identify the reformed nerd because he doesn't know how to light a cigarette or gets wasted after 2 beers, although "he has been drinking his entire life." They are usually the most vocal in the class.
Ortho-Jock-Many of these guys are gunners too but they think they are better than gunners because they are ex-athletes so that makes up somehow for the fact that they never go out now. They still think they are great athletes and talk smack like they used to run the 40's in under 4'6. These guys can be seen throwing the football on campus or competing hard in the 3 on 3 hoops tournament. They all want to go into sports medicine or ortho. The problem with these guys is that they are essentially meatheads that know a lot of anatomy. They are book smart but are absolutely devoid of culture, racial and gender sensitivity etc.
Ethnic Clique-This refers to who belongs to some ethnic group in the U.S. Ethnic women are usually in medical school because their parents were doctors and they are forcing them into medicine. Of course, they know how to interview well and so they got past the screening process. They usually enter a lifestyle field so they can be stay at home mothers and raise the kids of the ethnic doctor they marry. The ethnic men are usually gunners. They want to match into the most competitive and specialized field possible so they brag and improve the quality of their biodata. This will make them a top marriage prospect among their ethnic circle.
The Saint- These are the conservative relgious people in the class. He or she has no interest in entering a competitive specialty. They seek to enter to primary care thus their goal in school is to befriend everyone. They hate to think of medical school as having a competitive element and feel that everyone should get along. These people tend to be married and have a kid. Despite their benign demeanor, they aren't in medicine only to help people although they might imply that. And if you get too close to one of these people, they might try to convert you to their faith.
True Genius-closet gunners wish they were true geniuses. There aren't many of these in medical school but they exist. They really don't study aside from doing the initial reading. They have great memories, read fast and have an uncanny instinct for thinking outside the box. True Geniuses can be distinguished from closet gunners because true geniuses will finish at the top of their class and still enter family medicine. Although they could have matched derm, they still follow their heart as opposed to their paycheck. They aren't ambitious for the most part. They know they could enter a more competitive field but they just want to be happy and party as much as they can. The closet gunner will talk about going into primary care and then match for opthalmology in March.
So you can see, you shouldn't mock gunners because chances are you can by stereotyped as well.
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I dont mind proud "gunners" at all...?.I applaud them? I really do?.hey, nothing wrong with working hard and being ambitious.......as far as u r not intentionally sabotaging others...(which i have never witnessed happen myself). I think this sabotaging thing is a myth.... slackers pulled off their ass to justify their haterism. And i also think , half the people who hate on gunnaz have the "i hate Yankees syndrome".......
But Its the "snipers", that bother me......like someone mentioned previously....acting like u dont study and then some how miraculously pulling a 90+ on an exam is very grade school .........i mean come on...u are medical student......unless u are Alberta Bethoven Einsteinikovich III......chances..are u study more than the average person.
At least the above still does well....the worsT..i mean the absulUte worst...are the kids who actually kicked ass academically during highschool, college....but then suddenly decided med school is the time to become "cool" and let their grades take a serious nose dive. Are u phucking kidding me.....its hilarious to see these kids act.......usually the ones that drink a little and then start acting like 13 yr olds in a club........come on men.....ur old man is going to send ur ass back to New delhi.....keep acting a fool ...sorry my desi people..joking 🙂
So gunnaz?.don?t mind those who mock you?..most of them are bootleg ?cool? kids anyways?.they were probably gunning in undergrad themselves?and now ran out of bullets in med school or entered their midlife crisis early...?.that?s why they have so much insight on ur so called ?miserable? lifestyle.
- an independent observer.
and reading SDN..u would think no one ever studies in med school....."i only study 7hrs a week" my ass. yeah...and beyonce has my kids. 😀
But Its the "snipers", that bother me......like someone mentioned previously....acting like u dont study and then some how miraculously pulling a 90+ on an exam is very grade school .........i mean come on...u are medical student......unless u are Alberta Bethoven Einsteinikovich III......chances..are u study more than the average person.
At least the above still does well....the worsT..i mean the absulUte worst...are the kids who actually kicked ass academically during highschool, college....but then suddenly decided med school is the time to become "cool" and let their grades take a serious nose dive. Are u phucking kidding me.....its hilarious to see these kids act.......usually the ones that drink a little and then start acting like 13 yr olds in a club........come on men.....ur old man is going to send ur ass back to New delhi.....keep acting a fool ...sorry my desi people..joking 🙂
So gunnaz?.don?t mind those who mock you?..most of them are bootleg ?cool? kids anyways?.they were probably gunning in undergrad themselves?and now ran out of bullets in med school or entered their midlife crisis early...?.that?s why they have so much insight on ur so called ?miserable? lifestyle.
- an independent observer.
and reading SDN..u would think no one ever studies in med school....."i only study 7hrs a week" my ass. yeah...and beyonce has my kids. 😀
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Your view of gunning, and notesharing is very republican. "If we encourage them they are only going to get lazier". Is that how you feel about wellfare reform and handouts to the poor as well?
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Sorry to be sexist, I did mention how some female residents disapprove of the whole cute flirtatious thing. That being said however all of the cute flirtatious women in my class have all done extremely well during 3rd year. Some of them have even admitted behind closed doors that it is there looks, as they say the work they do is no better than any of their classmates. Face it, there is discrimination in society based on how people look. I've seen it more in the context of females, but it happens with men as well. It is not fair, and it is not right. However it would be stupid to pretend that this doesn't exist. If you want to accuse me of putting fourth some sexist paradigm to explain my inadequacy, fine. I just ask that you pay attention to what is going on around you and look at the subtext.
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Originally posted by azcomdiddy
Gunners seem to be maligned on here. We gunners have our own perspective on things. We notice that non-gunners usually fit into a category as well. Yes, these are inaccurate stereotypes but so is depciting hardworking people as gunners. We aren't all ruthless, backstabhing people because we are ambitious. So I have created a few stereotypes of mine. Enjoy. 🙂 Which one are you?
Slackers Slackers were people who are intelligent but lazy They always studied at the last minute in college and got away with A's. Unfortunately, those habits don't pay off in medical school when they have to actually study on a consistent basis. So they end up doing okay but wished they did better. They will accuse anyone who does better than them of being a nerd or gunner with no life.
Closet Gunners They are gunners who try to appear like everyone else. If their high grade is discovered, they downplay it and suggest they are lucky. They also have that undergrad mentality of denying ever studying for an exam. They may show up to a party but they will rarely stay the entire time. They will leave and study during the day.
Hotties They are the hot women in your class that are of average intelligence. They are the one member of their sorority that didn't major in education or marketing. They weened off others throughtout college and high school. Because of the appearance, they always got better grades in lab from horny foreign TA's. No one denied them help when they sought it. Professors would spend extra time with them during office hours. Thing is they are still quite good at it. There are plenty of these types around. They will act cute and ask you questions when they haven't done $hit. Again, some horny guy will help her and she will get away with it like she always has. These are the types who match derm with a 210 Step 1 score.
Reformed Nerd - Let's not forget about the Reformed Nerd. This was a guy was a nerd in undergrad. As soon as they got into medical school, they try to fool everyone into thinking they were cool during college. They usuall finish somewhere in the middle of the class because medical school is like high school to them. They are trying to creat an identity for themselves. These students might have lived at home during college under the strict watch of their parents. You can usually identify the reformed nerd because he doesn't know how to light a cigarette or gets wasted after 2 beers, although "he has been drinking his entire life." They are usually the most vocal in the class.
Ortho-Jock-Many of these guys are gunners too but they think they are better than gunners because they are ex-athletes so that makes up somehow for the fact that they never go out now. They still think they are great athletes and talk smack like they used to run the 40's in under 4'6. These guys can be seen throwing the football on campus or competing hard in the 3 on 3 hoops tournament. They all want to go into sports medicine or ortho. The problem with these guys is that they are essentially meatheads that know a lot of anatomy. They are book smart but are absolutely devoid of culture, racial and gender sensitivity etc.
Ethnic Clique-This refers to who belongs to some ethnic group in the U.S. Ethnic women are usually in medical school because their parents were doctors and they are forcing them into medicine. Of course, they know how to interview well and so they got past the screening process. They usually enter a lifestyle field so they can be stay at home mothers and raise the kids of the ethnic doctor they marry. The ethnic men are usually gunners. They want to match into the most competitive and specialized field possible so they brag and improve the quality of their biodata. This will make them a top marriage prospect among their ethnic circle.
The Saint- These are the conservative relgious people in the class. He or she has no interest in entering a competitive specialty. They seek to enter to primary care thus their goal in school is to befriend everyone. They hate to think of medical school as having a competitive element and feel that everyone should get along. These people tend to be married and have a kid. Despite their benign demeanor, they aren't in medicine only to help people although they might imply that. And if you get too close to one of these people, they might try to convert you to their faith.
True Genius-closet gunners wish they were true geniuses. There aren't many of these in medical school but they exist. They really don't study aside from doing the initial reading. They have great memories, read fast and have an uncanny instinct for thinking outside the box. True Geniuses can be distinguished from closet gunners because true geniuses will finish at the top of their class and still enter family medicine. Although they could have matched derm, they still follow their heart as opposed to their paycheck. They aren't ambitious for the most part. They know they could enter a more competitive field but they just want to be happy and party as much as they can. The closet gunner will talk about going into primary care and then match for opthalmology in March.
So you can see, you shouldn't mock gunners because chances are you can by stereotyped as well.
You have redeemed yourself for your harsh gunner ways azcomdiddy! This is a great look at all the medschool archtypes. Ironically I think there are many more closet gunners at my school then garden variety gunners. It made me sick how people would lie about going into primary care, peds, im, or whatever and then go for a competitive high paying specialty once they secured the good third year grades. I am wondering which stereotype I fall into, I can definitely identify with several of them.
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No, you are right. I'm wrong. Let's give all the slackers notes because they will suddenly see the error of their ways and start studying really hard. They would never start relying on people like me to provide them notes at the last minute. Gee, why would they think that ? After all all, these slackers have only mooched offer brighter students throughout their academic career. I'm sure a little compassion will erase all their bad habits and steer them in the right direction. I'm certain my giving him notes at the last second will not influence his decision to get wasted the two previous nights. Yes, let's give them notes; I'm certain they would never exploit those who do all the things they hate doing like attending class and rewriting notes. My bad! 👍
