How do I fire an RA that sucks?

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reluctantPhd01

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I have sort of a weird situation. I'm a lab manager for a fairly large clinical lab. I've been here for two years, one as an RA and one now as the lab manager.

As part of my lab manager duties, I manage all of the RAs (we have about 10-12). Most of them, like myself, are eager students who want to be involved and build their CV for graduate school. We have a reading group and a weekly RA meeting that I run. Then, we all go to the larger lab meeting which is 2x a month.

All of the students are great, except this semester, we had one RA who I just had some troubles with. First, her quality of work is really poor. She took about twice as long to get reliable on our coding procedures, and she's still just BARELY reliable. Second, she doesn't follow lab procedures. She'll leave files unlocked, doors open, things out and about, and last weekend she e-mailed me a bunch of coding. I was surprised by this, so decided to inquire as to why she was in the lab on a weekend the next time I saw her, to which she told me she wasn't, but had taken home videos to code !!!!!! This is totally against lab procedures and a HUGE NO NO! Finally, she's kind of awkward to be around. For example, many of the RAs get to run subjects, but she's so awkward, I kind of had to make up an excuse that we were "too full" for her to do that, and give her more coding...which she sucks at.

Here is where it gets complicated. First, my PI is basically like "Do whatever, I'll side with you." She already registered for it next semester, and I told my PI this and he's still maintaining his stance "I don't work with her directly, you tell me what we should do." I've had SEVERAL conversations with her, and at this point, I feel like I'm restructuring things just to accommodate her severity of incompetence.

The problem is that she's the nicest girl you would ever want to meet. She's very nice. English is also not her first language, and sometimes i wonder if part of the problem is that? However, there are just a variety of concerns about her, and I'm at my wits end with her.

It's just crazy because in my undergraduate lab, this would NEVER have gone on so long---the PI would have fired her within 2 weeks.

WHAT DO I DO!? HELP!
 
Definitely have ran into similar problems. My advice is act now...dragging things out just creates problems. Its not too late for her to register for another class if she wants to.

Sit down with her, say "This isn't working out. Here are the reasons why." Show her the door. Make sure she doesn't have keys or any opportunities to "retaliate" if you have reason to believe she might.

If you haven't been letting her know she's sort on the edge, that could pose a problem - they should be getting feedback. If they have, then they're done. I've seen too many studies completely botched by incompetent RAs, even those who mean well. Being nice is not the only expectation we can have of people. Not everyone is cut-out for the attention to detail and other qualities necessary for research. Act now before she takes one of those tapes home, loses it, and you have a much bigger problem.
 
Yeah, I agree with Ollie.

The lab I worked out had several people fired and was strict about who was allowed to work in the lab. We did fMRI research so any mishaps wasted a lot of money.

Just tell her what's going on (hopefully you've talked to her about her mistakes before) and tell her she's done.
 
I have talked with her numerous times and explained she is on thin ice. I have followed-up these conversations with e-mails...."Per our conversation, we decided that you will finished X tapes by such and such date. In addition, we reviewed the following lab procedures: X X X."

I guess I just don't have the heart to do it, but I agree, I have to now. It's important before she does something really nuts.

It's complicated by the fact that my PI somehow agreed over the summer to do a senior thesis with her (its just her junior year now), but she'll just have to figure that out.
 
Her problem, not yours. If she wanted to do her thesis in the lab she should have worked harder and been more responsible. The PI has said he/she is on your side.

There's no good way to do it. He/she likely will be upset. They may start crying and/or get angry. Be understanding, make it clear to them that it isn't personal ("I need to make sure the data is okay first and foremost"). Accept that you may be blamed and they may think you are a <insert nasty word here>. Just a matter of priorities. Sometimes you have to be the bad guy.

Consider it good practice for grad school and life in general. Sometimes you have to tell people things they don't want to hear. I've said things to clients that have upset them - it was for a therapeutic purpose of course, but it can still be hard to do. Its an important skill to have.
 
I was surprised by this, so decided to inquire as to why she was in the lab on a weekend the next time I saw her, to which she told me she wasn't, but had taken home videos to code !!!!!! This is totally against lab procedures and a HUGE NO NO!

If you're working with human subjects under an IRB, this is almost certainly a violation of your informed consent and a much, much bigger problem than just being "against lab procedures."

It sounds like you know what you need to do about the RA. Figure out what you need to do about the IRB violation, too! Good luck...
 
Yes, we had to submit a variance! Again, it's shocking to me my mentor hasn't been a tiny bit more proactive, but maybe this isone of those life lessons! LOL

If you're working with human subjects under an IRB, this is almost certainly a violation of your informed consent and a much, much bigger problem than just being "against lab procedures."

It sounds like you know what you need to do about the RA. Figure out what you need to do about the IRB violation, too! Good luck...
 
Have you provided her with any feedback about how she is not meeting your needs?
 
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