How do I get straight As?

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I feel so stupid. I was smart in high school and got lots of AP credit. Then I entered my dream school and my confidence level went from cocky bastard to almost nothing. I can't help feeling like **** because of my almost 2 years of crappy grades and knowing that I could do much better at a state school. I know this for several reasons, I might not have gotten straight As there with the amount of work I did, but I wouldn't have gotten Cs and B-s like I did here.
I feel hopeless because I don't want to transfer, but I don't want to get bad grades either. Is it possible to get straight As for a below average student at a school filled with smart nerds. Even if I study 20 hours a day, someone smarter than me will beat me.

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This is the normal distribution.

As you can see, by definition, most people (68.26%) are one standard deviation away from the "most average" person template - most people are actually not that remarkable.

From that batch of people maybe the top 20% will be talented enough to pursue higher education and intelligent enough to back up their dreams with hard work and achievement.

Congratulations, you are already one standard deviation ahead of the mean.

Then you go to college.

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This is the normal distribution in college.

Of course, the average student at Harvard is different than the average student at Kent State but as long as you go to a reputable institution, chances are most of these students got good grades throughout high school, have overcome significant challenges, and are decent to brilliant standardized test takers with above average - if not pinnacle echelon - raw intelligence.

Even the one, two, and perhaps even three plus standard deviation students out in the "real world" are the "most average" in this highly cerebral land where your ability to think is valued more than in any other walk of life. Imagine this distribution again for the pre-meds at your college. Let's say the top 20% of the pre-meds at this college (measuring by GPA above 3.4) have a realistic shot at getting into medical school, i.e real pre-meds.

50% of them will get in, on average.

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This is the normal distribution in medical school.



You see what I'm getting at? Stop comparing yourself to other people. You are not other people. Focus on yourself and build yourself up to the best of your ability. No you will probably not row crew and captain the team while pumping out first author publications like your a condom machine at the Olympic village. In fact, MOST PEOPLE WON'T! That's the beauty of the normal distribution...it is unprejudiced, precise, and unfeeling. It is about as cold and clinical as nature gets and all it really says is that most of the time most things are mostly average. That's it.

Be happy, you have beat the normal distribution many times and you will probably beat it again, even if it doesn't mean a 99% MCAT/Step 1 or speaking at your graduation.

Someday, the normal distribution will come for all of us, even those people who have never dealt with failure.

You know what happens to those people who have never dealt with failure the second they fail? They cry. They break down. They don't know how to handle not being perfect. Chances are, they are just as stressed and afraid as you are and their perfectionism might even cripple their progress as human beings, scientists, clinicians.
 
Yup and in a class full of 36/4.0s from high school, I stand no chancee
 
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Time to work on the old self-esteem.

Seek out your school's learning or education center for help with study habits, time mgt and test taking skills.

I feel so stupid. I was smart in high school and got lots of AP credit. Then I entered my dream school and my confidence level went from cocky bastard to almost nothing. I can't help feeling like **** because of my almost 2 years of crappy grades and knowing that I could do much better at a state school. I know this for several reasons, I might not have gotten straight As there with the amount of work I did, but I wouldn't have gotten Cs and B-s like I did here.
I feel hopeless because I don't want to transfer, but I don't want to get bad grades either. Is it possible to get straight As for a below average student at a school filled with smart nerds. Even if I study 20 hours a day, someone smarter than me will beat me.
 
I feel so stupid. I was smart in high school and got lots of AP credit. Then I entered my dream school and my confidence level went from cocky bastard to almost nothing. I can't help feeling like **** because of my almost 2 years of crappy grades and knowing that I could do much better at a state school. I know this for several reasons, I might not have gotten straight As there with the amount of work I did, but I wouldn't have gotten Cs and B-s like I did here.
I feel hopeless because I don't want to transfer, but I don't want to get bad grades either. Is it possible to get straight As for a below average student at a school filled with smart nerds. Even if I study 20 hours a day, someone smarter than me will beat me.

Yeah. That cocky bastard attitude won't get you far. Learn how to study efficiently now. I was a good student in high school, but I had to learn to study efficiently in college. Once I figured out how, I got straight As.

Now medical school is a whole different animal. Get used to the fact that you are not the best and brightest now. Fully acknowledge your limitations and weaknesses. Adjust accordingly. Learning HOW to study efficiently will make you successful on the long run. Good luck.
 
I don't understand why so many people on this forum complain that their dream school that they worked so hard during high school to attend is ruining their lives and that attending their state schools would have been better. Is this attitude going to be with you forever? Are you going to complain in med school that you could have done better at an easier med school? Are you going to complain in residency that you could have done better in an easier residency? Are you going to complain after you marry that you could have found an easier wife? Seriously, man up, accept the decision that you made, and start figuring out ways to study smarter.
 
I don't understand why so many people on this forum complain that their dream school that they worked so hard during high school to attend is ruining their lives and that attending their state schools would have been better. Is this attitude going to be with you forever? Are you going to complain in med school that you could have done better at an easier med school? Are you going to complain in residency that you could have done better in an easier residency? Are you going to complain after you marry that you could have found an easier wife? Seriously, man up, accept the decision that you made, and start figuring out ways to study smarter.
How? I'm stupid here
 
Its very likely your dream private school has more rampant grade inflation than the state school you could have gone to.
We deflate and at a state school my friends' tests get curved up to As and include homework and participation grades.
 
Learning how to study is a very personal experience of trial and error. If you can't figure it out then its your fault. You can't expect to come here and get a magic formula of how to study and succeed.
I don't study as much as I could because I get frustrated with knowing that I'll fail anyways.
 
Even if I take your word for deflation at your school, I don't buy your n=1 argument about state schools.
Really? That's where all my As are from. I took classes there concurrently last year.
 
I think a lot of premeds might think the same way as you. I went to a fairly competitive university and a lot of premeds there (including me at times) wished that they just stayed at their state school and gotten a 3.9+. I've taken a couple of classes at my state school in Colorado and the classes there were really, really easy. After being out of undergrad for 3 years now, I don't regret a thing. I learned a lot that I wouldn't have if I stayed at my state school, especially humility and dedication. I barely worked hard in high school, got the 4.0, 1500+ SAT, etc. When I got to university, I struggled quite a bit like you. I got B-, C+ for the first time in my life. I learned that nothing is given and everything is earned. If I went to my state school, I wouldn't have struggled and probably pull a 3.8, 3.9+ easily, but I would have still been that cocky kid who doesn't try hard. I would have then struggled in medical school. I'm glad I struggled now and learned my lessons rather than struggle later. I hope you all the luck.
That's a great way to look at things and I know this is true, but I need to learn how to study ASAP. 🙂
 
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I've studied day and night to do average (C) and I've not studied to do average.
All I can say is keep adjusting your techniques and really be honest with yourself about what is working and what isn't. One of the biggest things I had to overcome when I started college was studying things that I was already comfortable with. Recognize inefficiencies like that.

Good luck.
 
Going to an easy state school won't make you a better doctor.

What is it that they say on this forum, anyways? A 3.0 and a 24 is enough to make it through medical school?
 
I've studied day and night to do average (C) and I've not studied to do average.
How do you study? Do you read the book? Rewrite notes? Do practice problems? Do you go to office hours?
Just "studying" is not enough, you need to find the most efficient way to master the material. And it won't be the same for every class. You'll have to find an efficient way to study for Biology classes, and another way to study for Chem/Physics/Math classes.
 
I've studied day and night to do average (C) and I've not studied to do average.

I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe. If someone really is studying that much, they should at least be able to pull of a B
 
We deflate and at a state school my friends' tests get curved up to As and include homework and participation grades.

Yeah, rest assured that is like....not the majority of schools in the country at all. The only schools I've heard that curved to A's are the Ivy Leagues et al. And if you actually did get A's at such a school, it's probably safe to say you still are underestimating the difficulty of other schools.
 
Its very likely your dream private school has more rampant grade inflation than the state school you could have gone to.
What I don't understand is, if going to your state school would be so much easier, why are you trying to do the same in medical school? If it's really a disadvantage to go to a competitive school, go to your state medical school. Clearly the students there won't be as good as the HMS or Stanford students. Clearly, since you came from the hardest college ever, you'll tear up medical school and move to a top residency, which is what people really care about. If this is really a phenomenon, and it's really so much easier to get into top medical schools from state schools, then why not apply the same logic to medical school? Will it be easier to compete with 3.9 GPA/37 MCAT students compared to 3.6 GPA/33 MCAT students in medical school? At a certain point, you're going to have to compete with the top students and win. If you can't do that in college, you won't in med school either. Start to make peace with not being the best. It will really make you happier.
 
What I don't understand is, if going to your state school would be so much easier, why are you trying to do the same in medical school? If it's really a disadvantage to go to a competitive school, go to your state medical school. Clearly the students there won't be as good as the HMS or Stanford students. Clearly, since you came from the hardest college ever, you'll tear up medical school and move to a top residency, which is what people really care about. If this is really a phenomenon, and it's really so much easier to get into top medical schools from state schools, then why not apply the same logic to medical school? Will it be easier to compete with 3.9 GPA/37 MCAT students compared to 3.6 GPA/33 MCAT students in medical school? At a certain point, you're going to have to compete with the top students and win. If you can't do that in college, you won't in med school either. Start to make peace with not being the best. It will really make you happier.
But I could be the best elsewhere while having a life and actually getting in. My first two years have been such a fail here and I really don't see the point in going here. What's the difference besides me paying so ****ing much for tuition and not getting into medical school?
 
But I could be the best elsewhere while having a life and actually getting in. My first two years have been such a fail here and I really don't see the point in going here. What's the difference besides me paying so ******* much for tuition and not getting into medical school?

Let's face it: you're probably not going to be the best anywhere. Is this the right attitude you want to carry on to med school? That you couldn't hack it at your current school so you transferred? Why did you want to go to this school anyways? Are you doing everything for the right reason?
 
Let's face it: you're probably not going to be the best anywhere. Is this the right attitude you want to carry on to med school? That you couldn't hack it at your current school so you transferred? Why did you want to go to this school anyways? Are you doing everything for the right reason?
A few premed friends transferred after their freshman/sophomore years and they are SO happy. The only reason I am staying is because of embarrassment of transferring from a top school.
 
A few premed friends transferred after their freshman/sophomore years and they are SO happy. The only reason I am staying is because of embarrassment of transferring from a top school.

If you do get into medical school and finish residency, I doubt your patients would care where you went to college (or medical school). Are you going to become a doctor to help your patients or impress the people around you?
 
If you do get into medical school and finish residency, I doubt your patients would care where you went to college (or medical school). Are you going to become a doctor to help your patients or impress the people around you?
I want to impress myself. Not only would I be embarrassed,but I would feel defeated
 
Go and talk with your professors. Different classes often require different study strategies. For instance, memorization and some practice worked well for biology classes. Some memorization and a lot of practice worked well for math classes. Reading a lot helped for humanities classes. If I had tried to memorize material for a philosophy class focusing on the written component, I would not have done well, no matter how much material I'd memorized...
 
Why is there so much condescension towards state schools? It is well known that the rigor of courses across university lines varies greatly with respect to each institution. However, this nonchalant idea of "if only I had attended my state school, I would have accomplished XYZ..." irritates me. I currently attend a state school for financial reasons (I was a very good student in high school and received a full ride from my home institution), and I work my @ss off. Yes, I have stellar grades(and some of my classes are a joke), but I am huge proponent of "work input equals work output". I know for a fact that if I showed any apathy towards my education, I would severely suffer the consequences at my university. I don't mean to start a flame war. I just wanted to voice my opinion, one that I know is not solely held by me.
 
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