How do you manage to get thousands of hours?

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I've heard that most people go into interviews with thousands of veterinary hours, but how do you even do this? I've got a full load each semester (~17 lecture and lab hours per week plus time to study in between), and I manage other volunteer positions so I can fall-back on medical school if necessary (I'd enjoy doing either). Plus I have to get animal experience, not just vet experience. Assuming the average person accepted into vet school has 2000 vet hours on their record plus ~1000 animal hours, that's 10 vet hours plus 5 animal hours every week. How can you even manage all of that?

I can imagine many of them are attained during the summer months, but my schedule requires me to take classes during those months to not have to take a fifth year. Right now, all I can manage is ~6 hours of shadowing per week and 3 hours working at a kennel. That would take me over seven years to get to 2000 vet hours and 1000 animal hours.

How do you do it?
 
Like you said, many get their hours during the summer and winter breaks, so if you could work full time during the 3 months off work, you could easily get 500 hours each summer, plus if you volunteer on the weekends during the school year too... the hours add up over 4 years. Plus if you do an internship or something.

A lot of people on here are older applicants, so they are out of school or just taking a couple pre-reqs. so they can work full time the whole year.

I, personally, have about 7,000 hours in animal experience as a wildlife rehabber and have about 1,200 vet experience hours. I have been rehabbing since the summer before I graduated and I LOVE it. I graduated from college in 2005 at the age of 18 and was going to go into animal care. After I got started with wildlife rehab, though, I got sidetracked and that became my sole focus. I have worked full time and rehabbed on the side for the last 8 years! It is a TON of work, but I love every minute of it. I have my own non-profit and also volunteer at a wildlife center. So, the hours add up over time. Rehabbing ultimately led me to vet med and then I got a job at an emergency clinic as a vet assistant and worked there full time from Feb. to the middle of November and got about 1200 hours of vet experience. I still work there some weekends.

If I were you, I'd take like 20-23 credits during the school year and get summers off to volunteer. Or start volunteering on the weekends or something. Find something you love and you'll find the time to pursue it 👍
 
There are lots of people who don't have thousands of hours of experience -- check the "successful applicant" threads from years past, you'll find there's a lot of variation in experience. 🙂

I do have thousands of hours, but I'm also a non-traditional applicant. I've run the gamut between working full-time in a vet hospital to going to school and not working, to working full-time and going to school full-time (do not recommend this unless you want to go prematurely grey), and everywhere in between. Bottom line is it's taken me several years longer than many traditional applicants to finish my degree, but on the other hand I've been able to accumulate those thousands of hours of experience.

Get as much vet experience as you reasonably can, but don't sweat it if you don't break into the quadruple digits.
 
I have thousands of hours of experience. As many have asked before, "do you even have a life?" Basically...sort of no. haha. I work and work and work.

I had an early start though because I realized what I wanted to do from an early age. I worked at a veterinary clinic starting in high school and I grew up on a beef cattle farm. More doors opened up in other animal/veterinary fields and I made time for it. I have also always been a full-time student with about 15-17 hours. I only have one free weekend a month but, I love what I'm doing. I think that makes a big difference to. You just have to be willing to go that "extra mile" if you're wanting to break into the thousands of hours range.

As others are saying, it's not necessary to have this many hours. But, sometimes it can help if you're lacking in other areas. Good place to find out this information would be to check the Successful Applicant thread.
 
How someone is raised can account for a lot of hours. For instance I was raised on a horse boarding facility. It is next to impossible to quantify the number of hours I spent handling horses. What age do you start counting animal experience. 2, 5, 8...? In my instance I put down 10,000 hours and assumed the committee would understand I have a LOT of horse experience. That doesn't take into account the 13 years I did 4-H either.

As for vet experience, summers definitely can add up hours quickly. In one summer I worked 60+ a week and voila 1000 hours. Repeat for 3 years...
 
I didn't accumulate thousands of hours until after I finished undergrad and ended up working full time for three years while I was figuring out how not to screw up an admissions interview.

It will vary from school to school, and also by how sterling the rest of your application is, but it isn't entirely necessary to have thousands of hours when you apply. If quantity of hours is important to the particular school they will usually list it with their application requirements on the schools website, but many schools do not care exactly how many hours you have, as long as you have some.
 
I only have ~600 hours (combined animal and veterinary experience). Unless a clinic wants to hire me for a summer, or someone builds a farm in my backyard, or someone wants to help me get my license and buy me a car, it ain't going to happen for me. Those are within the last 5 years. After 5 years, my hours "expire" for vet school. I have done all I can do. It has been a struggle to get that much experience. So, you are not the only one.
 
I think it's important to remember that adcoms do consider what your life and life history has been too. If you're applying straight out of undergrad, and didn't start accumulating hours until you started UG, then they'll take that into consideration. There are people like that who get in with maybe like a couple to a few hundred hours given that the rest of their application looks great. The experience section isn't there necessarily just for the "how many hours did you get" competition. It's mostly there to show that you've had enough exposure to the field to understand what it's about. If you can write a PS/experience section descriptions to highlight how mature your understanding about the profession is, the extra hours are like an icing on the cake. A few hundred hours in maybe like 3 different types of vet practices is ideal, and really... I'm not sure how important animal experience is if you have enough good vet experience.
 
I didn't have thousands of hours when I applied. My only really good vet experience was from one summer working in a spay/neuter clinic 40 hours a week--about 500 hours total. I did have quite a bit more animal experience than that, and it was a variety of different things. I've been around horses forever, got large animal experience during undergrad, and did an internship at the zoo.

I think a lot of vet schools are more interested in variety rather than thousands of hours in one specific area alone.
 
I definitely don't have thousands of hours this year, and had wayyyy fewer last year. During my last round of applications, I probably had like 80 hours of vet experience along with like 200 hours of animal experience and 1,000 hours working as a lab assistant. I think it was my lab experience that kind of made up for it, but I ended up getting on the wait list at four schools and missed getting into my IS by two spots. I definitely don't think my situation last year is the norm, but it's apparently possible to stand a chance without having thousands of hours of experience in the veterinary field. Hoping the extra hours this year will make the difference since that seemed to be my major hold up.

As for how I'm now getting vet experience, it's taking me a while. I had a heavy course load all throughout college, worked PT as a lab assistant and participated in club sports and service programs so it didn't leave too much free time. During the summers, I tried to volunteer/shadow but no one was really willing to help me out long term and I couldn't give up too many hours of work life guarding since I needed the money for the school year. I lucked out this past summer and got an internship at the clinic associated with out local humane society, and they apparently liked me enough to hire me PT a month later. They've basically been my main source of hours and have given me other veterinarians' information to try and gain some additional hours. I still really need large animal experience but no one seems to be interested or they are too far away for me to make it work with my job. Guess I'll just have to keep trying.
 
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I had a full course load (I think my last full time year was a 27h week including labs), and I worked pretty much throughout my entire undergrad. There was only 1 semester when I had to stop working because it was just too much. But I mostly worked friday-sunday and thats how my hours built up over time. I also would try and get full time hours in the summer.

One other thing that helped make room for work was re-arranging my schedule to have a 3 day weekend (but of course this might not work for you depending on your available courses).

I also worked full time for a year after graduating which added a ton of hours.

Though I don't regret my time working because of all the experience I got and money I made (not gonna lie lol), I think if I spent the time I worked on school work and studying instead, I would have done better. But live and learn, and I'm happy I did it the way I did! 🙂
 
I barely had 1000 h when I applied (1300 h vet, 650 h animal experience). It took me 3 summers (+ winter break and reading week) to get those vet hours since I too had a full course load during the school year and didn't volunteer while I was at school. During the summer I would volunteer 6 h/day though, Mon-Sat. I started my animal experience fairly early on (when I was 16), so those weren't hard to rack up.
 
I have a whole buttload (yes, that's the technical term! 😉) of hours because...well...I'm 28. I've had more years than applicants straight out of undergrad to accumulate hours, and I'm not in school anymore. I've had pets my whole life, have spent upwards of 5 years working both part- and full-time at veterinary clinics, spent days shadowing equine vets, did some pet sitting, etc. Count everything on your application, even if it was "I pet sat for my neighbor when I was 15." It all adds up! Also, as shown by many of the above posts, you don't NEED thousands of hours of experience. A lot of schools want to see diverse experiences and meaningful veterinary and animal experiences rather than just a lot of hours walking dogs or something.
 
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I think every applicant that wants to practice veterinary medicine must spend significant time in a clinic or working with a vet, preferably in the field you are going to work. Shadowing is great but in my experience it does not give a true sense of the profession. If you show up at 9 and leave at 5 once a week for a couple months, you will receive a false impression of the hours veterinarians put in (on the equine, FA, ER side). Put in 60+ hours a week for multiple weeks and see if you still love the profession...
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I've heard that most people go into interviews with thousands of veterinary hours, but how do you even do this? I've got a full load each semester (~17 lecture and lab hours per week plus time to study in between), and I manage other volunteer positions so I can fall-back on medical school if necessary (I'd enjoy doing either). Plus I have to get animal experience, not just vet experience. Assuming the average person accepted into vet school has 2000 vet hours on their record plus ~1000 animal hours, that's 10 vet hours plus 5 animal hours every week. How can you even manage all of that?

I can imagine many of them are attained during the summer months, but my schedule requires me to take classes during those months to not have to take a fifth year. Right now, all I can manage is ~6 hours of shadowing per week and 3 hours working at a kennel. That would take me over seven years to get to 2000 vet hours and 1000 animal hours.

How do you do it?

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I am one of those with thousands of hours. I have been working in a vet clinic since I was 17 and have been in a vet clinic full-time or part-time ever since, even while in undergrad (with exception of maybe one or two semesters). I have been a veterinary technician now for 6 and 1/2 years, so I have 7,000+ hours of veterinary experience. I made it a point to work during summer/winter breaks. I kept a good line of communciation with the vet that I started working for at the age of 17 and I would come down on weekends to help out at the clinic. While in undergrad, I found a clinic in the area to work at and worked part-time there. So, it is possible to have thousands of hours and still go to school full-time. It just leaves very little time for anything else.
 
I am one of those with thousands of hours. I have been working in a vet clinic since I was 17 and have been in a vet clinic full-time or part-time ever since, even while in undergrad (with exception of maybe one or two semesters). I have been a veterinary technician now for 6 and 1/2 years, so I have 7,000+ hours of veterinary experience. I made it a point to work during summer/winter breaks. I kept a good line of communciation with the vet that I started working for at the age of 17 and I would come down on weekends to help out at the clinic. While in undergrad, I found a clinic in the area to work at and worked part-time there. So, it is possible to have thousands of hours and still go to school full-time. It just leaves very little time for anything else.

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Pretty much the same. Started at 16, worked part time while in high school, full time on all breaks. Moved for college, got a part time job, went back to job #1 over the summer. Found a different part time job for the rest of college, worked full time there over the summers/breaks. In the midst of all that, volunteered at the local shelter, rode for a few different training barns, and did some volunteer gigs through the ANSCI dept at school. Graduated a semester early, worked full time 18 months, came to vet school. the end. Good time management is key. (That, and well...I didn't study all that much in undergrad, but I don't recommend that plan!)

You really don't need 2000+ hours though. Just need enough to show that yo've had exposure to different aspects of vet med and understand what you are getting into. I think the 1000++ hour averages a little skewed by the people who have worked full time for a significant period of time and/or are non trads. You'll see applicants with a few hundred, and applicants with 10K.
 

I figured so much, but what types of jobs will get me vet experience, not just animal experience? I've heard of people becoming vet techs to accumulate hours or vaguely stating that they 'got a job at an X animal clinic' but this can't be as easy as it sounds. At this point, I'd imagine it's impossible to go that far when I'm a 17-year-old freshman biology student (I graduated early) with like 15 hours of shadowing to the record. I think I'm pretty much un-hireable for the time being for jobs that will get me vet experience.
 
How someone is raised can account for a lot of hours. For instance I was raised on a horse boarding facility. It is next to impossible to quantify the number of hours I spent handling horses. What age do you start counting animal experience. 2, 5, 8...? In my instance I put down 10,000 hours and assumed the committee would understand I have a LOT of horse experience. That doesn't take into account the 13 years I did 4-H either.

Precisely. I was raised on a registered Limousin cattle ranch where I started working as soon as I could physically carry buckets of feed. Then I was showing steers & heifers as soon as I was old enough to join 4-H and did so until I graduated from high school. And my family was SERIOUS about it. We were active in what is called the Texas Club Calf Association- you earned points for every show you went to & how well you placed. The individuals with the most points at the end of the show year won these massive, highly coveted belt buckles. I accumulated thousands of animal experience hours before I ever hit high school. I didn't even bother including "pet ownership" on my application and could only estimate the number of hours I spent with my cattle. Like Wycolo said, it's nearly impossible to quantify.

As for vet experience, I started working as a technician at a rural, privately owned, mixed practice clinic while in graduate school and have maintained that job for more 4.5 years now. But I'm 28, no longer a full time student, and have been able to work full time, 60+ hours a week. My 6500+ hours added up fairly quick. And although they've all been earned at the same location, we treat a wide array of cases- cattle, horses, sheep, goats, pigs, rabbits, dogs, cats... Plus my boss owns turtles, parakeets, and a double yellow-headed parrot that she brings in regularly and I get to handle those creepy little suckers. 😛 Oh, and there's a client with an evil sugar-glider who's toenails we have to clip every two months or so.

I can't imagine trying to juggle my current job with my undergraduate way of life of the past. :scared: I give major kudos to any pre-vet full time student who manages a full-time job as well...and keeps up their grades. *bows down*
 
I figured so much, but what types of jobs will get me vet experience, not just animal experience? I've heard of people becoming vet techs to accumulate hours or vaguely stating that they 'got a job at an X animal clinic' but this can't be as easy as it sounds. At this point, I'd imagine it's impossible to go that far when I'm a 17-year-old freshman biology student (I graduated early) with like 15 hours of shadowing to the record. I think I'm pretty much un-hireable for the time being for jobs that will get me vet experience.

Pretty much every kennel assistant I've ever met was around 18 years old and essentially inexperienced when they started. You already have the kennel job... if it's in a hospital, start talking to the boss about moving into a more suitable job, as you gain experience. If not, find work somewhere that has that opportunity.

I doubt very many of the folks on this board just stumbled into a tech job, or vet experience of any kind, right out of high school. I put in about a year as a kennel worker, and a year after that as an assistant before I started tech-ing and working with doctors regularly.

Pay your dues, little homie.
 
I think I'm pretty much un-hireable for the time being for jobs that will get me vet experience.

I could not disagree more. You might have to start as a kennel cleaner and move into a vet tech/vet assistant job. Talk to the other pre-vet students at your school and find out which clinics in the area hire pre-veters. You may have to start at the bottom of the food chain but then gradually move up. Working as kennel staff doesn't count as vet experience but once you move into the clinic you can start adding them up. If you are willing to work hard and won't complain, someone will hire you
 
I think the first step in the process is knowing that when you apply, you will be in the same application pool as others with 500+ hours of experience.

The first time I applied, I had only researched Ohio State's program and saw that they required 80 hours. So I volunteered at a vets office the summer before I applied (I took summer classes first session, and volunteered the second session) and gathered 120 hours and thought I was golden. Ha! I was soooooo wrong!

Since then I've tried to explore any vet related topic that interests me. Also, take advantage of college holidays! Last year on MLK Day I drove over an hour to a specialty clinic so I could observe on that one day. I also volunteer one night a week for two hours at an animal shelter. And now Wednesdays are my FAVORITE day of the week 🙂
 
I'm pretty much on the same boat with everyone else as far making sacrifices, social life is dead last on my schedule - but volunteering at a shelter, clinic and equine vet is my social life - and I LOVE IT.

Also a nontraditional that started way later (when I was 24, I realized that veterinary medicine is what I want to do) - quit my salary paying job to work in a kennel full time hourly. My parents were sick to their stomachs about it, but sacrifices. You don't have to be 12 and "know". People evolve all the time.

Do what you can and schools see that. I agree with the idea though of maxing your semester out with credits (vet school is intense - so you'll be prepared academically) and working the summers if you are worried about hours. Or take a year off after graduation to gain a variety od experience or lastly, don't push yourself to graduate on time haha - although I'm sure some of these aren't options - merely suggestions.

Good luck
 
Working as kennel staff doesn't count as vet experience but once you move into the clinic you can start adding them up.


I thought if it's at a vet clinic, it will count as vet experience? Because don't you technically still work under a vet?
 
I thought if it's at a vet clinic, it will count as vet experience? Because don't you technically still work under a vet?

It depends on what you are doing there. Cleaning kennels, walking dogs, and other cleaning/stocking duties arent really vet hours even if they are done at a vet clinic. But its a foot in the door.
 
On kennel stuff being veterinary or not... It depends on who and what school you ask. Kennel duties like if you work in a boarding facility definitely don't count, but things get iffy as soon as it's something like a vet clinic that also does boarding. Generally I think the consensus here is to ask the school you apply to, and if you're applying to multiple, just rank it highest (veterinary) and let the schools individually sort it out if they will. Don't lie about what you did or try and make it more veterinary-ish, though.

On the original topic: DSMoody hit the nail on the head, albeit in a rather crude way. 😛 I really wish that I had had a veterinary job all through university, since my employment hours are definitely in the thousands... I just happened to work doing other things (gotta pay for college...)

Seriously, though, get a job in a clinic - even as a kennel assistant - if you can wrangle it in any way. It helps in applications a lot, and opens the door to other opportunities later. You'll be surprised by how quickly the hours start adding up. Also, if you don't get in the first time, you're that much more likely to have a job to fall back on for the first year out of uni.
 
It depends on what you are doing there. Cleaning kennels, walking dogs, and other cleaning/stocking duties arent really vet hours even if they are done at a vet clinic. But its a foot in the door.
Please cite your source for this info. It is contrary to what has been mostly stated in the past.
 
For OP -

I made the mistake of seeing that I only needed 150 hours (or something) so once I had 300, I thought I was on the right track and stopped looking for volunteering hours. Unfortunately, that is one of the reasons that I didn't get in because when I realized (from SDN actually) how many hours I really needed -it took a year just trying to find a place to get me hours! Once I was rejected my first try, I got a full time job as a tech, volunteered on my days off at the VMTH, and still had only just over 1500 at the time of my application. It was enough but it was hard work to cram in all those hours in a short period of time.
 
Please cite your source for this info. It is contrary to what has been mostly stated in the past.

I don't follow SDN during the application process, so I don't know the consensus of SDN. Personally, I couldn't in good conscience say only cleaning pens, stalls, kennels, cages or stocking shelves in a vet clinic as 'vet' hours. Now if you are doing bandage changes, autoclaving, etc that's a different story.
 
Remember that vet hours are only one part of the application review process. Try to look at your application as a whole and look at school breakdowns of how much they care about experience vs. grades, etc. Ideally, only one piece of your app should have a clear weakness. So, try really hard to get the experience you need but in the mean time, work on your grades. If you have very good stats (GPA/GRE), it's more likely that they will overlook the lack of hours. That does not mean that they will, but if you feel that potentially the academic portion of the app could be your strong point, then you are more likely to be ok with 500-1000 hours ish. Also try to get various experience. I know some schools really want to see that you have done some work in 3 or so different vet fields, just to show you know a little bit about the many opportunities the career has.

If you can't get a job right off volunteer to shadow. After shadowing a bit and asking questions, see if some of the techs can teach you some tech skills so you will be more qualified when you apply for tech jobs. This is how I managed to get a technician job--volunteering for a while first, picking up some skills, and going from there. If you can get a kennel job, that's great and then maybe on breaks you can ask the techs to show you some stuff and you can work your way up to a technician. I know a lot of people have done that.

While a lot of people have more than this, I'd say about 750-1000 hours of each vet and animal experience will be sufficient if there are not other areas of your application that are weak. So look at your information from the point of view of an adcom and kind of adjust accordingly--if grades/school activities/gre aren't going to be your strong suit, then yes, 2000 or more is probably a better place to aim for. Keep in mind that veterinary hours aren't only good for the hours themselves--this is also how you gain your LORs, so it's extra important that you make sure you get to know at least one vet fairly well enough to feel that they would write you a good letter. The more you work with them, the more they will be able to give the letter a personal touch that will make it stand out more. Also, because of this as well as interviews, quality of experience is important. Interviews where applicants are asked about their experiences and LoRs will reflect the quality of your experience, which can fill in some of the gaps.
 
I don't follow SDN during the application process, so I don't know the consensus of SDN. Personally, I couldn't in good conscience say only cleaning pens, stalls, kennels, cages or stocking shelves in a vet clinic as 'vet' hours. Now if you are doing bandage changes, autoclaving, etc that's a different story.

Well, first and foremost you ought to follow your conscience.

That said, my advice to anyone else would be that if you're working in vet clinic you should put those hours down as veterinary hours.
 
Well, first and foremost you ought to follow your conscience.

That said, my advice to anyone else would be that if you're working in vet clinic you should put those hours down as veterinary hours.

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I spend 95% of my clinic time cleaning kennels, vacuuming, keeping the exam room stocked and doing misc. stuff like stuffing envelopes and shredding paper. I still count them as veterinary hours. 😛. It is quite hard to differentiate between the amount of time you spend doing misc. things and the amount of time you spend with animals, with techs or with the vet.
 
And it's important to remember that vet hospitals wouldn't run if no one was cleaning up messes and stocking shelves. May be be grunt work, may be behind the scenes, but its still a vital part of the clinic.
 
I'm pretty much on the same boat with everyone else as far making sacrifices, social life is dead last on my schedule - but volunteering at a shelter, clinic and equine vet is my social life - and I LOVE IT.

Same here. And if you're like me, the more I explore all things animal related, the less I seem to have in common with my social clique. So its not too big of a deal to put my social life on the back burner! :laugh:

And it's important to remember that vet hospitals wouldn't run if no one was cleaning up messes and stocking shelves. May be be grunt work, may be behind the scenes, but its still a vital part of the clinic.

And, because you are in a clinic, you'll most likely still be picking up on vet related information that you wouldn't be learning if you had a different job. Well, that's if you pay attention to what all is going on around you.
 
For what it's worth, I applied with around 70 hours of veterinary experience --- this is not bragging --- looking back I think it was rather foolish. I had a lot of animal experience/research experience which apparently pushed me through. Obviously there isn't one formula that will get you in, but IMO - attempt to get plenty of hours. It helps to have exposure to the career you're interested in! 😉 I thought I did, and certainly had a wake up call once in school. I love it now --- but things were certainly different the first year.
 
I don't follow SDN during the application process, so I don't know the consensus of SDN. Personally, I couldn't in good conscience say only cleaning pens, stalls, kennels, cages or stocking shelves in a vet clinic as 'vet' hours. Now if you are doing bandage changes, autoclaving, etc that's a different story.
That is because you have pre-judged why vet hours are necessary. They are NOT (as you seem to think) to gain veterinary skills, they ARE to expose you to the profession so you have a good understanding of what being a vet, and what the profession entails. This is made clear at many of the schools websites, which is why I asked for a citation, to see if this has changed.

This is why shadowing (where you may actually be allowed to do nothing in some cases) is no different than working. It is not what you do there that is important, it is that you are there observing.

Working in a vet clinic accomplishes that (learning about vet med) whether you are cleaning kennels or doing bandage changes. There is really no difference. And that is why the instructions are written that way.

So unless VMCAS changes their recommendations, or the schools change, hours spent working or volunteering in a veterinary clinic are valid vet experience hours regardless of responsibilities.
 
That is because you have pre-judged why vet hours are necessary. They are NOT (as you seem to think) to gain veterinary skills, they ARE to expose you to the profession so you have a good understanding of what being a vet, and what the profession entails. This is made clear at many of the schools websites, which is why I asked for a citation, to see if this has changed.

This is why shadowing (where you may actually be allowed to do nothing in some cases) is no different than working. It is not what you do there that is important, it is that you are there observing.

Working in a vet clinic accomplishes that (learning about vet med) whether you are cleaning kennels or doing bandage changes. There is really no difference. And that is why the instructions are written that way.

So unless VMCAS changes their recommendations, or the schools change, hours spent working or volunteering in a veterinary clinic are valid vet experience hours regardless of responsibilities.

👍 i agree whole heartedly with SOV. If you feel like you don't want to include those sorts of hours on your own application, then you have to do what you think is right but I absolutely feel that any work in a veterinary hospital should be counted as veterinary experience. You are still experiencing some aspect of what running a veterinary clinic entails and that is a very valuable experience.

As for numbers of hours, like many others have said, committees will take into account your life history/situation when they review your application.

To the OP, taking an extra year to finish school is not the end of the world, and if it allows you to also free up your schedule so you can gain more veterinary experience then it may be an option worth looking into. Think about your options: You can graduate "on time", apply with low numbers to vet/med schools and possibly risk not getting accepted (how are your shadowing experiences for medical school? do you have enough hours to apply for that?) ... worse case scenario right? Ok, so what do you do? What job can you do for a year that will allow you to accumulate the hours you need to apply again (remembering that med school applications are due in June and vet schools in Oct, there won't be a ton of time to get more hours between graduation and applications). I'm not saying it's impossible but it can be hard and any school loans might come out of deferment. or you can take less credits, get more hours, stay in school an extra semester or year and really beef up your application to give it your best shot.

I don't know what is right for you, but I wanted to present some other options that you may or may not have thought about.
 
well put SOV. You articulated that much better than I could. All I could think to say was that tech work doesn't necessarily give you the best understanding of the profession. It really is a matter of being there and observing the best you can about what it means to be a VET and how a vet clinic is run (not necessarily being a working gnome within it). Good observation and learning can happen regardless of what you're doing in the clinic, and conversely will not happen regardless of what you're doing unless you make an effort to do so.

I've definitely met vet techs who have been working for a long time who could only see things from the tech's perspective (as well as vets who cannot see things from the tech's perspective). I'm sure we all have. And there are people who would make wonderful techs, but just wouldn't ever make a good vet, and vice versa.



I don't know what is right for you, but I wanted to present some other options that you may or may not have thought about.

That's really great advice. I think it makes life so much easier once you accept that sh** happens and that goals are flexible. You can always aim to apply right out of undergrad, but it's really not the end of the world if you don't. I ended up not even applying for 2 years after I had finished all my pre-reqs, gre, and had a few thousand hours of vet/animal experiences due to random life curveballs being thrown at me. I took that time as an opportunity to make me the best applicant I could become (I was a solid but pretty forgettable applicant before then), and looking back, I'm really happy that I did.
 
And there are people who would make wonderful techs, but just wouldn't ever make a good vet, and vice versa.

Soooo true. I was an awful, awful assistant (never an RVT but OTJ trained to do the tech tasks) now that I think about it. I mean, I did my job and didn't complain for the most part, and liked some aspects of it, but grah did I hate the vast majority of it and as a result I was probably terrible.
 
That is because you have pre-judged why vet hours are necessary. They are NOT (as you seem to think) to gain veterinary skills, they ARE to expose you to the profession so you have a good understanding of what being a vet, and what the profession entails.

I think we are on the same page SOV. (I may not have been clear. I was in the middle of a 48 intensive sampling project and slightly sleep deprived.) My point is that Kennel staff that comes in at 6 and 6 and only cleans kennels shouldn't classify those hours as vet hours, in my opinion. Now if you're working 8 hour days with your primary responsibility as cleaning kennels but you help out around the clinic, SOV you are completely correct.

However, I disagree with SOV and Minnerbelle about shadowing being the same as working. In my experience you learn a lot more working at a clinic versus shadowing. The interaction as a assistant/tech with the vet and clientele can be vastly different than if you were shadowing. Yes, shadowing is great for giving students a view of the profession but again in my opinion doesn't give the whole picture of what a vet does.

I also think skills learned as an assistant or tech are extremely beneficial and aid in studying in school and the first few years of practice. Let's face it SDNer's a large majority of first year students lack basic animal handling principles and simple veterinary skills. That's why Vet colleges now have intro courses to fill in the gaps. I feel as potential applicants we should do the best we can to make ourselves well rounded and qualified to be vets. Sorry about the soapbox rant again.

All the above is generalizations and based from my experiences working in the clinics.
 
Let's face it SDNer's a large majority of first year students lack basic animal handling principles and simple veterinary skills.


How would you know that if you don't seem to be in vet school yourself yet? At least that's what it says on your profile. If that's not true, then sorry..
 
Even if every single student came in with animal handling experience, the schools would probably still require intro classes....why? because they want everyone to do things the same way, from haltering an animal, to tying their quick release knots the same way. It's safer for everyone if things are done consistently, even if no individual way is "wrong." I'm STILL trying to learn how our teaching hospital does their quick release knots on the horses....because the way I've always done it works for me and is so ingrained, its hard to pick up a new way.
 
My point is that Kennel staff that comes in at 6 and 6 and only cleans kennels shouldn't classify those hours as vet hours, in my opinion.

I am sorry but I do not know any clinic where the kennel workers "just clean kennels". Even large clinics don't have THAT many kennels that they would need someone to clean just kennels for 12 straight hours. It only takes 3-4 minutes to clean one kennel... There is always time to look at cases and ask questions and help out techs with procedures. All the clinics that I have been at the kennels helpers help with ANYTHING that is needed.

If you can prove me wrong on this and give me an example of a hospital where all you do is clean kennels then go for it. But I have never talked to a kennel worker that didn't walk away with a greater knowledge of veterinary medicine.
 
Final point from me Wycolo.

You are confusing what to do be prepared for vet school, and what is necessary/helpful to get into vet school.

You make some valid points about what will be helpful for you in vet school and your career that have been discussed on other threads, but that is irrelevant when it comes time to applying. Schools don't seem to view it the way you do, and it is misleading (I think) to applicants to state otherwise.
 
However, I disagree with SOV and Minnerbelle about shadowing being the same as working.
Well obviously, they are two different things. No one is denying that fact.

In my experience you learn a lot more working at a clinic versus shadowing.
I agree that you would be learning MORE working in most cases over being a shadower (and my intention isn't to devalue what techs do/know at all), but I'm not sure you'll necessarily be learning more of the specific things admissions are looking for when they evaluate a candidate for vet school. And by that I mean, in my little thought bubble about how admission works, they decide based on questions like:

  • has the applicant demonstrated that they are academically qualified to graduate vet school and pass boards?
  • do they stand out from others with positive and interesting characteristics?
  • does the applicant have enough understanding of the profession so that we can reasonably assume he/she knows what she's getting into?
I think all SOV and I are saying is that you don't need to be a tech to satisfy that to get in to vet school. That can be evidenced by the large number of people who get in every year who have never worked as a tech. Or has worked as a "tech/assistant" but doesn't actually know much. Whether that's to the detriment to those those individuals in their future career is certainly debatable. If you think that adcoms are making a mistake by choosing their classes that way, you are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that this is what it is.



The interaction as a assistant/tech with the vet and clientele can be vastly different than if you were shadowing.

Again, very true. But that's not what anyone is trying to argue. Your opinions might differ, but I don't think you necessarily need these interactions with clients to understand what the profession is about (or make a decision about whether it's one you want to enter or not). Same thing with tech skills, autoclaving, cleaning, and what have you. Those are both skills that are important for vets to know, but they're both teachable given that the person is able.

Yes, shadowing is great for giving students a view of the profession but again in my opinion doesn't give the whole picture of what a vet does.
Perhaps, but neither does a tech job. There are plenty of techs out there who satisfactorily perform their jobs that don't really understand what a vet does. There are plenty who do, but again, that's my point. It really is what each individual makes of their time in the clinic. As long as the shadower learns enough to make a case for themselves in their PS/interview, then that's really all that matters. It is up to them to make up for whatever they're deficient in once they're in vet school (some as a part of the curriculum, but often times, outside of school).

I also think skills learned as an assistant or tech are extremely beneficial and aid in studying in school and the first few years of practice. Let's face it SDNer's a large majority of first year students lack basic animal handling principles and simple veterinary skills. That's why Vet colleges now have intro courses to fill in the gaps. I feel as potential applicants we should do the best we can to make ourselves well rounded and qualified to be vets. Sorry about the soapbox rant again.

And let's face it Wycolo, first-years in any vet school class come from a huge variety of backgrounds in part because vet med is a very very diverse field. It is very short sighted of you to think that everyone should fit the clinical practice mold. You'll see when you start that all of your classmates have different strengths/weaknesses. It is also short sighted of you to presume that students who come in with less animal handling/tech skills aren't as qualified as you.

That being said, I do agree that if you can, then it's a great opportunity to have that experience as a tech. The longer you can do it in more diverse and more intense environments, the better. It will no doubt make some parts of vet school easier, and you will have less of a learning curve leading up to clinics. But I think it's really important to remember that it's all a matter of what opportunities people have in front of them, and at what cost it takes to take one over another. Becoming a tech isn't always the best choice for everyone. Also remember that it is definitely possible to gain that experience in the first couple of years if you make time/effort to do so. And it can be more efficient, as you're a lot more likely to be able to do "stuff" as a vet student.

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It depends on what you are doing there. Cleaning kennels, walking dogs, and other cleaning/stocking duties arent really vet hours even if they are done at a vet clinic. But its a foot in the door.

I disagree with this particularly because at my last job, working in the ICU and Emerg, we had to walk dogs and clean kennels as part of the job- but you're doing alot of specialized stuff like stopping/starting IV pumps, unhooking lines, cleaning kennels might have to involve measuring urine from a catheter bag, moving an animal with a sling that just had surgery, etc.

So to Pet Pony, basically anything I've done in a vet clinic, I consider as vet experience. As the others have said (Minnerbelle, SOV, etc), if you've worked at a vet clinic, its more about the entire experience- learning about how a vet clinic works, the team dynamic between the staff, what everyone's roll is, client relations etc. Its not just about who's given vaccines and put in catheters.
 
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