How do you study for Organic if your prof sucks ? (I want your lectures on the web !)

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So how do you guys learn O-Chem if your prof sucks and your book is just marginal ? Does anyone know of any excellent resources on the web ? Does anyone have their lectures posted on the web ? Does anyone have any ideas ?
 
Maybe you could get an MCAT prep book. That would kill 2 birds with one stone.
 
Dont do it!!!! Dont study!!!!

Does your school have a student tutoring program or anything like that? The MCAT prep book may help but it may be a bit basic for your normal undergrad Orgo class....good luck!!! :luck:
 
Get together with a group of other people and buy 2 other books and go over them as a group? Try asking other chem/biochem profs for recommendations. They might even have some free preview books you could use. We did this for biochem and it worked.
 
Buy another book, I recommend the Volhardt and Schore (Sp?) Organic Chemistry: Structure and Function. I used it for my class, I never went to class either semester. Good text.
 
buy another textbook, also order that book's solution guide (go on amazon and find some reviews on good books)

study 3 times harder than you usually do, buy a model set (so you can see everything 3-d and spatially)
 
I had this exact problem, except I actually liked my textbook. I had different professors for both semesters; we thought the first was bad, and were shocked when the second was even worse. Unfortunately I managed to get by with a good grade without learning the material well enough, which is haunting me now as I study for the MCAT. My best advice is to really try your best to learn it as well as possible because it will help you in the future.

What book do you use? We used McMurry, and it's good. My friend and I got together to study and went over reactions a ton of times together. I never ever study with another person, but for this particular class it really helped. We would study for hours and I would get exhausted to the point where I started trying to act out reactions like I was a molecule. Like Hermit MMood said, buy a model set (but that's mostly helpful for first semester, not second).

The other day I wanted to look something up in my textbook because it wasn't explained well enough in the MCAT review book, so I went to the bookshelf and picked up the textbook. I took it to the table and told my husband, "chapter 7", and then opened the book up to the right reaction. I studied that darn thing so much that now, 2 years later, I still remember what chapters the reactions in! My husband was laughing at me. Perhaps a sad story 😛
 
Work problems. Work problems. Work problems.
 
can someone give us an example of what makes organic chemistry so hard?

like compare it to something in a real-life situation that makes it confusing to begin with?
 
I think organic is way easier than General Chem..... there is no math in o-chem and it just logical.
 
I don't think organic chem is so hard. First semester might be slightly difficult for people who have trouble visualizing spacial relationships, but overall it's pretty straight-forward. The reason the course is difficult, in my opinion, is because there are a lot of different reactions that seem similar at first glance, and tests require you to be able to remember all of these reactions, and often mechanisms, very well. A test question about how to synthesize a particular molecule requires the integration of a lot of knowledge. I think that's the main reason some people really enjoy the course, actually. For me, I was able to get through a lot of other courses without putting in long hours of studying, but I couldn't do well in orgo without the effort.
 
Orgo wasn't hard, it was a lot to memorize. This is why it seems to be a good indication of med school classes. Conceptually it is not difficult to get what is going on, there only a few general types of reactions and reaction environments covered in orgo, but there are a ton of actual different reactions with different mechanisms. They can all appear similar and get jumbled together, and this is what makes it difficult.
 
LVDoc said:
Too funny. I actually remember using that website for reference quite a few times.

Helped get me through Orgo with bad profs. Were you an MSU student, or did you just find out about it elsewhere?
 
I thought my prof was good, but then again, I was never awake to actually notice 🙂

I ended up finding out about it through a Google search. Google seems to work wonders. lol.
 
NeverStopMeEver said:
I think organic is way easier than General Chem..... there is no math in o-chem and it just logical.
then why are you complaining so much and starting all these threads?

organic is not that hard if you keep up with it and learn the rxns, etc in the beginning...you just keep building on it. You can not save it all for a cram session before the exam.
 
bad professor? then swicth if it's not too late
marginal text? go buy a new one. Try Organic Chemistry by Ege or Organic Chemistry by Loudon. The loudon one isn't very technical but its exposition if very very good. It's very readable.

if you decide to buy Ege be sure to by the study guide. That's where the answers are located.

another helpful hint i have gotten of many orgo coursepage is that forming a group and discussing the concept is a sure way to understand the material. You don't really understand it untill you teach it whether it be to others or yourself.

if you work hard you will make an A. Also just don't memorize the information. You have to understand and recgonize the synthesis reaction so that you can later apply and predict what occurs after a reaction.


<<<<<<< btw i'm a Gen chem student :laugh: but still i think the advice i have given is what many professors would agree as a solid A.
 
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