How do you use pathoma?

[TheShaker]

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I'm going to buy Pathoma because it is recommended by the class and seemingly most of SDN. I was wondering how I should be using it? Do you guys use it as a supplement to the class material or is it your primary learning resource? Thanks a lot.

 

[Psai]

You watch a bunch of videos. It's not rocket science

 

[sinombre]

It's only worth using first year if you actually cover a lot of pathology. If you have a more traditional curriculum (mostly physiology first year and pathophys second year) it probably isn't worth getting until ms2.

But yeah, it's just a series of brief and to-the-point lectures with a book (which is basically an outline that you can annotate).

 

[Ophthoseidon]

I just started using it myself, but I usually have the book out while I listen to the videos and annotate anything important that Dr. Sattar says.

 

[operaman]

What they said.

It's a supplement, not a primary learning resource. It's one of the best resources there is, but even Dr. Sattar himself says it isn't comprehensive or meant to be. It's a review/summary of the most important points while also simplifying and explaining many of the basic concepts of pathology.

I watched his videos along with regular classwork. I always re-watched them closer to step 1 time as a nice quick review.

 

[alpinism]

I wouldn't get it until the start of M2 unless you do 1.5yr preclincials or organ systems with path/pharm during M1.

Most people use it as an addition to class because its way too watered down and condensed to be a primary resource.

Basically its a very straight foreword and highly organized series of lectures (+review book) thats great for understanding basic concepts in pathology.

Sattar does a great job explaining the more complex diseases which makes the lectures easy to watch at 2x speed.

If you want something more in depth get Goljan.

 

[TheShaker]

My school is on a systems based curriculum so there's pathology and pharm in M1. So, it sounds like a supplemental resource, which is what I was hoping it would be. Since it is so condensed, would you guys recommend watching the lectures before/early in the module to get a strong foundation or afterwards before an exam as an all encompassing review (or both)? I guess it would be kind of difficult to watch it before learning everything in the module since a lot of it will probably go over my head.

 

[pathologyDO]

You should use it as a review resource, not really a primary source of information. Just had a hell-hole pathology lecture that didn't make a bit of sense? Pathoma will save you.

Its not comprehensive, like others have already mentioned, but its very useful to help get the big picture together and help you focus on high yield topics.

 

[eefen]

I watch the relevant sections at the beginning of each block to get the big picture down. Then, after I listen to lectures, I'm making flashcards out of the relevant pathoma sections + FA + random but helpful/interesting factoids from lecture. Works well so far. Pathoma is awesome.

 

[NickNaylor]

I used it primarily as an intro to the material (e.g., lectures, sitting down and actually reading a more in-depth book [RR, lecture notes, whatever]) and then for more concise review later on. The videos are short enough to make it very amenable to quick watching in the morning, and the notes offer enough detail to quickly over major concepts. You can then use another source to dig into more detail if you want. I found that the combo of Pathoma, RR, and lectures notes was extremely effective, but YMMV.

 

[DrEnderW]

I used it primarily as an intro to the material (e.g., lectures, sitting down and actually reading a more in-depth book [RR, lecture notes, whatever]) and then for more concise review later on. The videos are short enough to make it very amenable to quick watching in the morning, and the notes offer enough detail to quickly over major concepts. You can then use another source to dig into more detail if you want. I found that the combo of Pathoma, RR, and lectures notes was extremely effective, but YMMV.

This is exactly what I did/ am currently doing and I really like it. It's a great way to start off path for a new organ system.

The early intro lectures are actually pretty in-depth before the organ systems become a little more HY and condensed.

 

[erythrocyte666]

What exactly is the TBR equivalent of step I prep? By this I mean the most comprehensive review book

 

[Jabbed]

What exactly is the TBR equivalent of step I prep? By this I mean the most comprehensive review book

Robbins + Guyton

 

[erythrocyte666]

Robbins + Guyton

But doesn't BRS have a separate 400 pg book for each subject? And is this Robbins from Robbins & Cotran or is that different? Thanks

 

[dextor2003]

But doesn't BRS have a separate 400 pg book for each subject? And is this Robbins from Robbins & Cotran or is that different? Thanks

I think he meant the question book robbins review pathology?

 

[Ophthoseidon]

I think he meant the question book robbins review pathology?

Nope, he meant Robbins and Cotran Path , as well as Guyton and Hall physiology. I loled, but it is the most comprehensive hahaha

 

[dextor2003]

Nope, he meant Robbins and Cotran Path , as well as Guyton and Hall physiology. I loled, but it is the most comprehensive hahaha

my fault, thought you guys were talking about qbooks haha

 

[PL198]

I have no idea how people read robbins or guyton. would rather gouge my eyes out

 

[erythrocyte666]

So would you guys say robbins and guyton are "the berkeley review equivalents" for step I?
Edit: also, would robbins and/or guyton be good to use in supplement to MS-1 and MS-2 coursework? Thanks for the input.

 

[PL198]

no because they'll take you forever to read. if you're going to use those they should be your primary resource. they're like 1500 page textbooks.

 

[Jabbed]

So would you guys say robbins and guyton are "the berkeley review equivalents" for step I?
Edit: also, would robbins and/or guyton be good to use in supplement to MS-1 and MS-2 coursework? Thanks for the input.

I mentioned it in jest because it is decidedly not a review book, but is the closest to being comprehensive. Assuming that you're an MS-1, don't worry about step review just yet. Focus on learning the material and doing well on your exams. Robbins is meant to be a cornerstone of your MS-2 pathology, not a review source. Guyton is a highly regarded, although arguably pedantic, physiology text that supplements your MS-1 coursework.

Read both, either, or neither as you complete the relevant course material. Supplement with review sources (Pathoma, Goljan, BRS).

Also, listen to Goljan audio in the car/gym once you've taken physio. Papi gets irritating at times, but it's the best form of passive review at the moment.

 

[Jabbed]

no because they'll take you forever to read. if you're going to use those they should be your primary resource. they're like 1500 page textbooks.

Guyton is a bit over 1k and Robbins is a bit under. It's honestly manageable given time and interest.

 

[DrEnderW]

Also, listen to Goljan audio in the car/gym once you've taken physio. Papi gets irritating at times, but it's the best form of passive review at the moment.

I listen to Goljan audio when working out and I hear his voice all the time when answering qbank questions. I agree, it's a great passive resource.

 

[TheShaker]

Thanks for the info guys, I just got the textbook in the mail and it looks even better than my class notes. It's nice to have everything consolidated into one place.

Also, the paper is really high quality and the cover feels like velvet. :>

 

[ortnakas]

Guyton is a highly regarded, although arguably pedantic, physiology text that supplements your MS-1 coursework.

There should be a picture of Guyton & Hall in the dictionary next to pedantic.

You have to give points for being thorough, though.

 

[Ismet]

Thanks for the info guys, I just got the textbook in the mail and it looks even better than my class notes. It's nice to have everything consolidated into one place.

Also, the paper is really high quality and the cover feels like velvet. :>

Protip: take it to Kinkos/Staples/etc and have the binding cut and coil bound. Then it lays flat while writing. Perfection.
It should cost under $5, as coil binding both Pathoma and FA was under $10 for me.

 

[TheShaker]

Protip: take it to Kinkos/Staples/etc and have the binding cut and coil bound. Then it lays flat while writing. Perfection.
It should cost under $5, as coil binding both Pathoma and FA was under $10 for me.

Wow, thanks, I would have never thought of this. I should do this with all my paperback books...

 

[IncognitoGuy]

My school is systems-based too and Pathoma has been gold since I started using it. Just don't forget that even though he covers a lot, it's not comprehensive for your school's own specific curriculum objectives, so add it on to your studying instead of relying exclusively on it.

 

[Jabbed]

My school is systems-based too and Pathoma has been gold since I started using it. Just don't forget that even though he covers a lot, it's not comprehensive for your school's own specific curriculum objectives, so add it on to your studying instead of relying exclusively on it.

Pathoma sandwich: pathoma + ppts + Robbins(?) + RR + pathoma

 

[PL198]

I wouldn't use RR if you're going to use robbins. RR is so exhaustingly detailed that if it's not in RR, it's not worth your time. I'd pick one or the other.

 

[Jabbed]

I wouldn't use RR if you're going to use robbins. RR is so exhaustingly detailed that if it's not in RR, it's not worth your time. I'd pick one or the other.

I see RR as extensive cliff notes of Robbins. The prosaic format of Robbins is a much easier initial read for most people.

 

[PL198]

I see RR as extensive cliff notes of Robbins. The prosaic format of Robbins is a much easier initial read for most people.

yeah that would just take too long for me to do all that. when you throw in FA uworld and/or Rx, that's a ton of time

 

[IncognitoGuy]

yeah that would just take too long for me to do all that. when you throw in FA uworld and/or Rx, that's a ton of time

He might be talking about in terms of class notes, not Step 1 studying which is what it seems like you're thinking of?

 

[MadRadLad]

Anyone know how much Pathoma gets updated year to year? Is it just the book or do the videos get updated too?

 

[Ismet]

Anyone know how much Pathoma gets updated year to year? Is it just the book or do the videos get updated too?

Videos update too.

 

[seminoma]

Anyone know how much Pathoma gets updated year to year? Is it just the book or do the videos get updated too?

I sent him an email earlier this (school) year because the video contradicted the text. He responded and said the videos are more up to date than the text.

That said, I have the 2013 book and so far there has only been 1 inconsistency between book and videos.

Pathoma sandwich: pathoma + ppts + Robbins(?) + RR + pathoma

I do something similar.

Pathoma + RR + PPT + RR Blue text (Anki) + Pathoma

 

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Wow, thanks, I would have never thought of this. I should do this with all my paperback books...

Godtip: do it yourself with a blowdryer and 3-hole punch for free. If you get someone at Kinko's that doesn't know what they are doing with the coiler, they will f your book up and pages will come out. Not to mention if a coiled page is ripped out- it's more likely to be FUBAR. If you 3-hole punch it, a ripped page can be easily repaired with 3-hole punch stickies. I speak from experience.

 

[PL198]

Godtip: do it yourself with a blowdryer for free. If you get someone at Kinko's that doesn't know what they are doing with the coiler, they will f your book up and pages will come out. Not to mention if a coiled page is ripped out- it's more likely to be FUBAR. If you do it yourself and 3-hole punch it, a ripped page can easily be repaired with 3-hole punch stickies. I speak from experience.

so like an idiot I thought " oh I'll just reinforce all the holes of first aid on both sides of the page so I never rip one." yeah that increased the thickness of the hole-side of the page 2x and some of the residue from the hole protectors gets onto the rings if you don't line each one up perfectly, and then that sticks and the whole thing is terribly un-functional. not to mention this took me like 6+ hours to do and I use a digital FA now. so screw me pretty much

 

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

so like an idiot I thought " oh I'll just reinforce all the holes of first aid on both sides of the page so I never rip one." yeah that increased the thickness of the hole-side of the page 2x and some of the residue from the hole protectors gets onto the rings if you don't line each one up perfectly, and then that sticks and the whole thing is terribly un-functional. not to mention this took me like 6+ hours to do and I use a digital FA now. so screw me pretty much

Trying to fix something that ain't broken... bummer.

 

[seminoma]

so like an idiot I thought " oh I'll just reinforce all the holes of first aid on both sides of the page so I never rip one." yeah that increased the thickness of the hole-side of the page 2x and some of the residue from the hole protectors gets onto the rings if you don't line each one up perfectly, and then that sticks and the whole thing is terribly un-functional. not to mention this took me like 6+ hours to do and I use a digital FA now. so screw me pretty much

Should've done the scotch tape method.

Also I agree with 3 hole punching.. Though I have kinkos do mine. Sure the spiral bound books lay flat, but your hand still runs into the spiral.

 

[Jabbed]

It's 2015.. people don't use physical books anymore 😵

 

[IncognitoGuy]

It's 2015.. people don't use physical books anymore 😵

It's nice to be able to copy Sattar 's scribbles down.

 

[FIREitUP]

Don't use Robbins if you're looking for efficiency. I would stick with RR and pathoma.

 

[Ismet]

Should've done the scotch tape method.

Also I agree with 3 hole punching.. Though I have kinkos do mine. Sure the spiral bound books lay flat, but your hand still runs into the spiral.

I'm just used to the spiral bound as our syllabi from the first 2 years were all spiral bound monstrosities. Your hand doesn't really run into the spiral (I fold the book, I don't write with it spread open). I find 3 rings more annoying because your hand runs into them so you have to take pages out. But to each his own. Different people like different things.

 

[tylus]

I know I'm going to sound like an ignorant fool, but what do you use to hold the paper together after punching the 3 holes?

A folder like this?
http://www.mayfairstationers.co.uk/....html?osCsid=cdf057dd574b9cc9909602fbc8db8c5e

Godtip: do it yourself with a blowdryer and 3-hole punch for free. If you get someone at Kinko's that doesn't know what they are doing with the coiler, they will f your book up and pages will come out. Not to mention if a coiled page is ripped out- it's more likely to be FUBAR. If you 3-hole punch it, a ripped page can be easily repaired with 3-hole punch stickies. I speak from experience.

 

[masaraksh]

I know I'm going to sound like an ignorant fool, but what do you use to hold the paper together after punching the 3 holes?

A folder like this?
http://www.mayfairstationers.co.uk/....html?osCsid=cdf057dd574b9cc9909602fbc8db8c5e

Dude, I don't think you're on these peoples level.

 

[seminoma]

I'm just used to the spiral bound as our syllabi from the first 2 years were all spiral bound monstrosities. Your hand doesn't really run into the spiral (I fold the book, I don't write with it spread open). I find 3 rings more annoying because your hand runs into them so you have to take pages out. But to each his own. Different people like different things.

I prefer to take pages out! But yeah, folding the spiral bound in half only works for one side of the page unless you're ambidextrous. I like being able to take pages out because if I only want to carry around one section I can do so on any given day. It does get annoying sometimes, but worth it for me.

 

[Jabbed]

Hey all, don't mean to reopen an old conversation, but is it worth it to wait to buy Pathoma until the 2015 Fundamentals of Pathology text comes out? Maybe a bit paranoid of a question, but let me know what you think.

Very few changes between editions (so I'm told). The videos are always more up to date than the book though fwiw.

 

[NickNaylor]

Hey all, don't mean to reopen an old conversation, but is it worth it to wait to buy Pathoma until the 2015 Fundamentals of Pathology text comes out? Maybe a bit paranoid of a question, but let me know what you think.

Pathology, at least at the level of M2, isn't going to be undergoing any significant revisions from year to year.

 

[Psai]

Hey all, don't mean to reopen an old conversation, but is it worth it to wait to buy Pathoma until the 2015 Fundamentals of Pathology text comes out? Maybe a bit paranoid of a question, but let me know what you think.

First aid is the only book where you need this years version